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AFC West powers have plenty of problems

By Jeffri Chadiha
ESPN.com
Updated: September 27, 2007


I said this at the start of the season and I'll say it again: Evaluating teams based on how they look on paper is always a waste of time. You really have to wait until a team takes the field to have some sense of what they're capable of doing.

And now that three weeks of the NFL season have passed, I can offer a more accurate assessment of which teams are overrated and which ones are underrated. Hey, I'm going to be doing it eventually, so I might as well get an early start on the evaluations.

Overrated

1. Denver: This team really should be 0-3 instead of 2-1. The Broncos barely escaped Buffalo and they beat Oakland only because Sebastian Janikowski choked on his second chance at a game-winning field goal in Week 2. All you have to know about the Broncos is that their run defense is killing them. They're giving up 166 yards a game (tied for 29th in the NFL) and the addition of five new starters and a new coordinator on that side of the ball apparently were bigger issues than they realized.

2. Dallas: Yes, I like the way the Cowboys are playing on offense. But let's also be honest: Coach Wade Phillips is supposed to know a thing or two about defense and the Cowboys are fairly mediocre on that side of the ball. So far their best efforts have come against a team with few weapons (Miami) and another with no quarterback (Chicago). They've also dealt with key injuries, such as the torn biceps that ended the season for nose tackle Jason Ferguson and the foot injury that has hobbled cornerback Terence Newman. So while the Cowboys are the NFC's hottest team, I have to wonder when that defense starts impacting their unblemished record.

3. San Diego: I know, I know. This one is a no-brainer. The Chargers look so disappointing right now that the Kansas City Chiefs -- with an offense that is averaging 8.7 points a game -- have a shot at stealing a victory on the road this weekend. Aside from the presence of coach Norv Turner, the second-biggest issue for this team is the lack of talent at wide receiver. You'd think the inability to get LaDainian Tomlinson going would open up more opportunities down the field. Instead, Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates continues to be the lone constant in the passing game. Something tells me that will be a problem for this team all season.

4. Chicago: As bad as Rex Grossman was, I just have a hard time believing that Brian Griese is going to make them a better team. Remember, we're talking about a guy who lost his job to Chris Simms in Tampa Bay. I also don't see greatness in Cedric Benson, even though some scouts tell me that he's the type of runner who gets better with more carries. Right now, I just don't see this offense helping a defense that has been worn down by injuries and too much time on the field.

5. Cincinnati: Any team that gives up 51 points to Cleveland has to be on this list. The problem with the Bengals is their defense is only good when it creates turnovers, as it did in a season-opening win over Baltimore. Without those takeaways, opponents clearly have little trouble moving the ball against them. This wouldn't be such an issue if they played in the NFC. But in a division that also includes Pittsburgh and Baltimore, the Bengals will struggle to gain ground as we move deeper into the season.

Underrated

1. Philadelphia: The Eagles are the best 1-2 team in football. If it weren't for a couple of punt return miscues in a season-opening loss to Green Bay, they'd be on the right side of .500 right now. Their 56-21 win over Detroit also indicates that their offense is becoming as explosive as I thought it would be coming out of training camp. Their only major concern should be the health of running back Brian Westbrook. He's so dinged up each week, it's hard to imagine him playing an entire season.

2. New England: I admit it: I looked stupid on this one. I figured the early season absence of strong safety Rodney Harrison and defensive end Richard Seymour would hurt the Patriots' hopes of a fast start. Now I only can wonder how good they'll be when they're at full strength. If Tom Brady continues his torrid pace, he'll run away with NFL MVP honors. And as for that Moss fellow, he's still pretty scary.

3. Indianapolis: This just in: The Colts actually won the Super Bowl last season. You'd think they'd get a little more credit for that instead of hearing people talk about how great the Patriots are. In case you also haven't noticed, the Colts are sharper on defense and the offense continues to click as it always has. So until somebody dethrones them in the postseason, we should give them a pretty good shot at repeating.

4. Pittsburgh: New coach Mike Tomlin is quietly doing a great job in his first season with the Steelers. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has returned to his steady, efficient ways and Willie Parker continues to prove why he's one of the NFL's top backs (he's averaging a league-best 122.7 yards in his first three games). Throw in a defense that ranks first in scoring defense (8.7 points a game) and you have a squad built for a strong postseason run.

5. Green Bay: I didn't think the Packers were legitimate until they beat San Diego last week. Now I can see them making a run at a playoff spot. The Packers' defense is playing so well, quarterback Brett Favre has shown the kind of patience on offense that we haven't seen from him in years. He's managing the game and leading the Packers to the kind of season that didn't seem possible three weeks ago.

Jeffri Chadiha is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=3038472


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This guy makes me laugh. He underrated all three unbeaten AFC teams and yet overrates the Cowboys, argueably the best NFC team, unreal.
 

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The first four teams on the underated list make this article a completle joke! Eagles are underated becuase they have been sucking....but how can you say the Colts, Cheaters, and Steelers are underated....they are all so hyped there is no way that they could ever be considered underated...typical ESPN.
 

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How the heck are SD, Chicago, Cincy "over-rated"??

Perhaps this writer needs to get a dictionary b/c "over-rated" means they're great in the perception of many, but this many doesn't know the true facts at hand.

The fact that SD, Chicago, and Cincy SUCK WIND hardly makes them "over-rated".

BTW-the Colts still have a suspect run D-they are hardly "under-rated".
 

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03EBZ06;1673326 said:
This guy makes me laugh. He underrated all three unbeaten AFC teams and yet overrates the Cowboys, argueably the best NFC team, unreal.
Not only that... ALL of the unbeaten teams that don't play home games in Dallas are "underrated." He threw the Packers in there too. 4 out of 5 unbeaten teams = underrated, the 5th? OVER-rated...:rolleyes:
 

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Our "over-rated" defense is improving each week. It's wonderful how writers have an alibi for everything. :rolleyes:

No doubt we'll still be over-rated after beating St. Louis, because they're injured.

Waaaaaahhh....
 

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I think these articles are written specifically to get a rise out of Dallas fans. They are the premier franchise across the country in the NFL so by dissing them, they attract the most attention. Regradless of what the writer might "actually" think about the Cowboys, by putting them in the overrated category, it creates a buzz.

I point out Schlereth as another example. Before the seaon, Dallas was a team in disarray. Jones was running the franchise and the team again and the inmates were about to run the asylum. Everybody was injured because Parcells was no longer there to make them practice. Last week, Schlereth LOVES Dallas!

The idea is, throw as much garbage against the wall to see what sticks. If Dallas indeed sucked, Schlereth is a genius. Should they prove to be good, he backs off the criticism and jumps on the bandwagon, no harm no foul. This guy is doing the same thing.
 

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03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Over-rated
1. Denver: This team really should be 0-3 instead of 2-1. The Broncos barely escaped Buffalo and they beat Oakland only because Sebastian Janikowski choked on his second chance at a game-winning field goal in Week 2. All you have to know about the Broncos is that their run defense is killing them. They're giving up 166 yards a game (tied for 29th in the NFL) and the addition of five new starters and a new coordinator on that side of the ball apparently were bigger issues than they realized.
Transition. The "Experts" don't seem to understand what that means.
03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Over-rated
2. Dallas: Yes, I like the way the Cowboys are playing on offense. But let's also be honest: Coach Wade Phillips is supposed to know a thing or two about defense and the Cowboys are fairly mediocre on that side of the ball. So far their best efforts have come against a team with few weapons (Miami) and another with no quarterback (Chicago). They've also dealt with key injuries, such as the torn biceps that ended the season for nose tackle Jason Ferguson and the foot injury that has hobbled cornerback Terence Newman. So while the Cowboys are the NFC's hottest team, I have to wonder when that defense starts impacting their unblemished record.
Again, transition. Each week, the defense is getting better and will continue to.
03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Over-rated
3. San Diego: I know, I know. This one is a no-brainer. The Chargers look so disappointing right now that the Kansas City Chiefs -- with an offense that is averaging 8.7 points a game -- have a shot at stealing a victory on the road this weekend. Aside from the presence of coach Norv Turner, the second-biggest issue for this team is the lack of talent at wide receiver. You'd think the inability to get LaDainian Tomlinson going would open up more opportunities down the field. Instead, Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates continues to be the lone constant in the passing game. Something tells me that will be a problem for this team all season.
Again, transition and this is the biggest degree of it with the HC, DC, AND OC all being changed out. They are worse off with Turner, but they arn't as bad as they look.


03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Under-rated
1. Philadelphia: The Eagles are the best 1-2 team in football. If it weren't for a couple of punt return miscues in a season-opening loss to Green Bay, they'd be on the right side of .500 right now. Their 56-21 win over Detroit also indicates that their offense is becoming as explosive as I thought it would be coming out of training camp. Their only major concern should be the health of running back Brian Westbrook. He's so dinged up each week, it's hard to imagine him playing an entire season.
Their offensive line isn't quite was it used to be. Put presure on McNabb and he freaks. Detriot couldn't do it and they lost. They will lose again this week when the Giants apply pressure.

03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Under-rated
2. New England: I admit it: I looked stupid on this one. I figured the early season absence of strong safety Rodney Harrison and defensive end Richard Seymour would hurt the Patriots' hopes of a fast start. Now I only can wonder how good they'll be when they're at full strength. If Tom Brady continues his torrid pace, he'll run away with NFL MVP honors. And as for that Moss fellow, he's still pretty scary.
How can the #1 rank team be *underrated*? Shut the hell up! :bang2:
03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Under-rated
4. Pittsburgh: New coach Mike Tomlin is quietly doing a great job in his first season with the Steelers. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has returned to his steady, efficient ways and Willie Parker continues to prove why he's one of the NFL's top backs (he's averaging a league-best 122.7 yards in his first three games). Throw in a defense that ranks first in scoring defense (8.7 points a game) and you have a squad built for a strong postseason run.
Pit has beaten three struggling teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, and SF and all the sudden they are a top three team that is underrated. The "Experts" amaze me sometimes.
03EBZ06;1673326 said:
Under-rated
5. Green Bay: I didn't think the Packers were legitimate until they beat San Diego last week. Now I can see them making a run at a playoff spot. The Packers' defense is playing so well, quarterback Brett Favre has shown the kind of patience on offense that we haven't seen from him in years. He's managing the game and leading the Packers to the kind of season that didn't seem possible three weeks ago.
Even a stopped clock is right a couple of times a day. :rolleyes: Green Bay has some talent and it's starting to come around. Underrated? Yes. Dominate? No.
 

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nyc;1673361 said:

No, I don't do Ubuntu.

But I do Kubuntu.

To hell with Gnome. ;)

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On a side note, get used to being underrated until we play the Patriots.

Hell, if we beat the Patriots - the Patriots had a bad game - and the real test is week #9 - and we lucked into the W.

We'll still be overrated. We can win the Superbowl, but we lucked into it.. we had te least injuries.. or some garbage.
 

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This guy is lacking basic common sense.

The eagles who were pre-season Super Bowl contenders are now underrated after scoring 56 points last week? If the fleagles are the best 1-2 team why can the Chargers not claim the best 0-3 title and merit underrated status?

Everyone considers the Pats the best team in the league by far. How is that underrating them?

The guy needs to define from what point the rating is based. Is it based on right now, on their overall performance versus expectation, what?

Dallas is overrated because a defense that had one bad week(in a 10 point win) is subpar????

Note to mediot: The Dallas defense is getting bodies back and adding Tank Johnson soon. The only overrated thing is the AFC after the Pats. Wake me up when the Steelers or Colts play someone. The Colts struggled versus a solid but not outstanding Titan team and the Steelers have faced CLE, BUF and ZONA with 2 of those games at homes. The astute NFL fan might know 20 guys total on all three of those vaunted rosters.
 

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Let's get serious. All of us are concerned about our defense. We believe (hope) our defense is steadily improving but has a long ways to go. The return of a healthy Greg Ellis and Terrance Newman will help. In the mean time our offense needs to continue to put up lots of points and also get at least some help (INTs & fumbles) from our defense.
 

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sago1;1673382 said:
Let's get serious. All of us are concerned about our defense. We believe (hope) our defense is steadily improving but has a long ways to go. The return of a healthy Greg Ellis and Terrance Newman will help. In the mean time our offense needs to continue to put up lots of points and also get at least some help (INTs & fumbles) from our defense.

I know-but our whole pt of that entire list this writer made up showed how clueless he is.

How can Chicago, Cincy, and SD be "over-rated" when they're sucking up the joint? And how can Pitt be "under-rated" when they've had a very, very cup-cake schedule so far. Alot of people said how we've had an easy schedule, but the Giants/Fins/Bears are far superior than Pitt's opponents, at least.
 

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How can Dallas possibly be more overrated than Chicago? Chicago was favored going into the game (and picked by a majority of the "experts" at ESPN) and we beat them 34-10.
 

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The Cowboys are overrated for trouncing everyone put in front of them including the defending NFC champs....and the Pats are cannonized for beating the Bills with a rookie QB, the Chargers (overrated in his books) who can't even beat the Packers and barely defeated Chicago at home and the freakin' Jets with a half from Chad Pennigton???

Typical stupidity.
 

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Anyone notice that we are the only top 5 team that is over-rated? How can 4 out of the top 5 teams in the league be UNDERRATED. This guys needs to go into the bathroom and take the top off a full bottle of Ambiem and go to bed. Forever. Seriously.

He talks about how good the pats are when they get Seymore and Harrison back. But slams Dallas for missing key players? How good will Dallas be when we get Ellis, Newman and Johnson back? Don't even let me mention Terry Glenn.

You know what I am tired of everyone kissing NE's butt. They are not that good, they have no running game. They have beat a bunch of bad teams. Screw the Pats, we beat them in Dallas 41-17.
 

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nyc;1673445 said:
If you're not using XUbuntu, you suck! :laugh2:


Wow. Definitely a big yuck there.

As long as it's "Buntu" somewhere in there, I suppose.

I'm ready for 7.10. :) (Not the beta mess.)
 

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Padd;1673358 said:
I think these articles are written specifically to get a rise out of Dallas fans. They are the premier franchise across the country in the NFL so by dissing them, they attract the most attention. Regradless of what the writer might "actually" think about the Cowboys, by putting them in the overrated category, it creates a buzz.

I point out Schlereth as another example. Before the seaon, Dallas was a team in disarray. Jones was running the franchise and the team again and the inmates were about to run the asylum. Everybody was injured because Parcells was no longer there to make them practice. Last week, Schlereth LOVES Dallas!

The idea is, throw as much garbage against the wall to see what sticks. If Dallas indeed sucked, Schlereth is a genius. Should they prove to be good, he backs off the criticism and jumps on the bandwagon, no harm no foul. This guy is doing the same thing.

i think they're written this way because...oddly enough...that's how the writer feels.

contrary to popular belief, not every journlist is a cowboys fan and won't always see it the way we do.

now why some of us tend to go ape-caca and take it personal, that's the amazing thing i dont' get.
 

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Has any analyst this year ever said that the Cowboys are a flawless team? Everybody who talks about the Cowboys says they have a great offense but the defense has holes in it. The general perception is that the Cowboys are flawed, but the NFC is pretty weak so we're still the class of the conference. So basically he's agreeing with every other analyst out there, which in my book means we're rated exactly where we should be.
 

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The patriots are very underrated. Not only should people rate them #1 in any possible power ranking/rating method, but they should also be eligible to win the Stanley Cup, the Larry O'Brien Trophy, [SIZE=-1]the Wanamaker, the noble peace prize, and an Oscar. This is ridiculous they get no respect. [/SIZE]
 

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This guy's too stupid to even figure out how to spell his own name properly ("Jeffrey"), why are we taking anything he has to say seriously??
 
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