ESPN Dallas: Draft class of '09: A dud with chance to develop

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By Tim MacMahon


A draft class needs more than a year to develop before it can be fairly judged. That’s a good thing for the Cowboys’ Class of ’09, since it appears to be an epic failure at this point.

The Cowboys’ brass is confident that perception will change over the next year. They expect a handful of players to join kickoff specialist David Buehler and reserve tight end John Phillips as consistent contributors. (WR Kevin Ogletree also made some impact, but he was undrafted.)

Here’s a quick look at what last year’s draft class has done so far and what hopefully is ahead:

ILB Jason Williams (third round, 69th overall) – He’s a phenomenal athlete who struggled to grasp the playbook and was set back by a high ankle sprain suffered in the preseason finale. His failure to make an impact on special teams was a major disappointment, resulting in him being inactive most games. Jerry Jones strongly hinted at the combine that he expects Williams to challenge Bobby Carpenter for the nickel/dime linebacker role.

OL Robert Brewster (third round, 75th overall) – He has yet to put on shoulder pads as a professional. He missed all of last season after tearing a pectoral muscle while lifting weights over the summer. He’s still reshaping his body, which was too blubbery despite losing significant weight at Ball State. His goal should be to challenge for a starting position at either right tackle or left guard in 2011.

QB Stephen McGee (fourth round, 101st overall) – Jones admitted at the combine that the Cowboys haven’t seen much from McGee, who missed the last two games of preseason with an injury. The Cowboys plan to use minicamps, training camp and the preseason to determine whether McGee is a good developmental project. They don’t plan on drafting a quarterback this season, but the position will become a draft priority in 2011 if McGee doesn’t pan out.

OLB Victor Butler (fourth round, 110th overall) – Butler at least contributed on special teams, but he never earned the coaching staff’s trust to get consistent playing time on defense despite making three sacks in limited snaps. DeMarcus Ware’s neck injury forced Butler into a significant role in the upset over the Saints, but he didn’t grade well in that game. The next step for him is to become a situational pass rusher.

OLB Brandon Williams (fourth round, 120th overall) – Williams was a little ahead of Butler before he suffered a season-ending knee injury in the preseason finale. The Cowboys have high hopes that he can earn the situational pass rusher role that Butler didn’t last season.

CB/S DeAngelo Smith (fifth round, 143rd overall) – He’ll be best remembered as the defensive back who lost a highly publicized post-practice race to a kicker. He was released in the final cuts and bounced around to a few teams.

S Michael Hamlin (fifth round, 166th overall) – Hamlin broke his wrist during the preseason finale and didn’t see the field much after he got healthy, but Valley Ranch insiders are still high on him. They’re particularly enamored by the big safety’s ballhawking ability. If Ken Hamlin gets cut, it wouldn’t be stunning if Mike Hamlin (no relation) wins the battle to replace him.

K David Buehler (fifth round, 172nd overall) – He did exactly what the Cowboys drafted him to do: Make a major impact in field position, leading the league in touchbacks on kickoffs and contributing in other roles on special teams. However, he wasn’t able to replace Nick Folk as the placekicker when Folk failed. The Cowboys hired ex-kicker Chris Boniol to help Boniol develop into a reliable field goal kicker. The hope is that he’s good enough so that the Cowboys don’t need to carry two kickers on the roster next season.

ILB Stephen Hodge (sixth round, 197th overall) – He missed the whole season after undergoing microfracture surgery on his knee. If he can come back from that, he should immediately be an impact special teams player. Hodge, a safety at TCU, is also a darkhorse in the competition for the nickel/dime LB role.

TE John Phillips (sixth round, 208th overall) – He exceeded expectations on offense – contributing as a tight end, H-back and fullback – but was exposed at times on special teams. He’s not a great athlete, but his attitude, work ethic and intelligence are above average. If Martellus Bennett doesn’t follow the owner’s orders to focus, Phillips could earn playing time in two-tight end sets.

CB Mike Mickens (seventh round, 227th overall) – His lack of speed and explosiveness were exposed during training camp, when he was burned on a regular basis. Spent several weeks on the Cowboys’ practice squad after being released in the final cuts and was later picked up by the Buccaneers, who cut him weeks later.

WR Manuel Johnson (seventh round, 229th overall) – Spent the entire season on the practice squad after being released in the final cuts. He’ll have an uphill climb to make the 53-man roster, but he has a chance. He worked as the scout team punt returner, a position the Cowboys want to upgrade. He doesn’t have great speed, but he has potential to develop into a decent slot receiver.
 

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...resonates truthfully to the state of the team's opinion on these players it's that great athlete or not you better now your playbook and you better know where to be on the field.

Jason Williams, Victor Butler and Martellus Bennett better find ways to improve in the head and on the field or athletic talent will mean squat.
 

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davidyee;3310993 said:
...resonates truthfully to the state of the team's opinion on these players it's that great athlete or not you better now your playbook and you better know where to be on the field.

Jason Williams, Victor Butler and Martellus Bennett better find ways to improve in the head and on the field or athletic talent will mean squat.


I agree with you but I had thought that Butler pretty much knew the playbook. He's the one who got family members to play different positions so that he could line up and practice the playbook during the minicamp that he couldn't attend because Oregon State hadn't finished it's semester.

Butler is extremely smart and seemed very determined. I would be surprised if he didn't know the playbook well enough last season. Maybe he didn't though.
 

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I am SO pulling for some of these guys to emerge.

I had major problems with how the draft went last season, but said we can try to be fair and see how things pan out. The shotgun appoach when your team already has a pretty good lineup seems backwards to me.

But Jerry and Wade had combined to draft very well their 1st two drafts, so I'd like to see how this ends up.

Without going into much detail, we can ask one easy question:

1) Where are our needs this year?

We all agree that we could at least use help at Safety and Oline.

Starting with our 1st pick last year, notice that we traded down from our 2nd Rd (#51) slot and decided to pass on all-rookie team offensive lineman rookie Phil Loadholt and Andy Levitre and also Safety Sean Smith.

The reason i say we can still have hope and wait and see the outcome is just maybe Brewster and Victor Bulter will make that move semi-acceptable....maybe.
 

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DFWJC;3311014 said:
I am SO pulling for some of these guys to emerge.

I had major problems with how the draft went last season, but said we can try to be fair and see how things pan out. The shotgun appoach when you team is already has a pretty good lineup seems backwards to me.

But Jerry and Wade had combined to draft very well their 1st two drafts, so I'd like to see how this ends up.

Without going into much detail, we can ask two easy questions:
1) Where are our needs this year?

We all agree that we could at least use help at Safety and Oline.

Starting with our 1st pick last year, notice that we traded down from our 2nd Rd (#51) slot and decided to pass on all-rookie team offensive lineman rookie Phil Loadholt and Andy Levitre and also Safety Sean Smith.

The reason i say we can still have hope and wait and see the outcome is just maybe Brewster and Victor Bulter will make that move semi-acceptable....maybe.

We passed on those players?:bang2::banghead:
 

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DCBoysfan;3311047 said:
We passed on those players?:bang2::banghead:
Yeah:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: indeed.

Honestly, I think we may have held our spot and taken Max Unger, but when he went off the board two slots before us they bailed out. Ouch.

I'm not sure we would have taken Unger, but that's my guess. Maybe Hos or one of those guys have heard if that was true.

All's not lost, Brewster and Butler may ease ther pain.
 

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I'm not sure how you can call that draft class a dud, given the rash of injuries. Oh wait, it's Tim MacMahon.
 

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Most of our top picks from this draft had serious injuries , and missed all or part of the season. My take is thet we will have amuch better feel for this draft after the upcoming season.
 

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Well, as negative as this article seems, you can't teach athleticism like Jason Williams has. He had everything a top 10 pick at LB has except experience. The college he went to is so small that I don't think the jump from high school could be much bigger. Even given the increase in competition, he was starting to come around until that high ankle sprain derailed his progress.

Now, he has a year in the NFL under his belt and he's had a year in Phillips defensive scheme, you can almost look at him as a regular big-school rookie this season. Like Jerry Jones thinks, I expect Williams to strongly contend for the nickel LB spot this season. He can run like a safety and hit like the ILB that he is. If his instincts are ok (and really, I think that is the only question about him) I don't see any reason he wouldn't turn out to be a very good player for us. His physical skills are terrific. He just explodes once the play starts.

IMO, Hodge and Brewster are both very good prospects as well. They had plenty of mental reps last year and with good health, they should add quite a bit to the team.

Hamlin showed promise all preseason long, and by all accounts the staff really likes him.

Phillips and Beuhler helped quite a bit in their rookie seasons.

After all is said and done, I expect this draft class to be looked back upon as a very solid one.
 

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AsthmaField;3311011 said:
I agree with you but I had thought that Butler pretty much knew the playbook. He's the one who got family members to play different positions so that he could line up and practice the playbook during the minicamp that he couldn't attend because Oregon State hadn't finished it's semester.

Butler is extremely smart and seemed very determined. I would be surprised if he didn't know the playbook well enough last season. Maybe he didn't though.

Butler was late to join the team for school reasons and missed on organised activities last year , may be it did affect his learning of philips scheme a bit.

Having said that both Butler and Williams are transitionsing from DE position t OLB , it takes much more than just to rush passer in OLB. Run support and some coverage assignments have to be mastered which Ware does so effectively , so it will take a bit of time before it all clicks. :D
 

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God forbid Dallas doesn't pick every guy that pans out into a good player.
 

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187beatdown;3311231 said:
God forbid Dallas doesn't pick every guy that pans out into a good player.
Impossible of course.
I'd liked what Jones and Phillips had done their first two drafts, so maybe the 3rd will turn out OK too. If they can hit on 4-5 of those players then it will be a success...imo.

Sometimes JJ gets too cute for my taste, but it's his team and he has no need to ask any of us permission. Anyway, it sure keeps us on our toes on draft day.
 

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What?!? Did someone say ball-hawking??

S Michael Hamlin (fifth round, 166th overall) – Hamlin broke his wrist during the preseason finale and didn’t see the field much after he got healthy, but Valley Ranch insiders are still high on him. They’re particularly enamored by the big safety’s ballhawking ability. If Ken Hamlin gets cut, it wouldn’t be stunning if Mike Hamlin (no relation) wins the battle to replace him.
 

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DFWJC;3311246 said:
Sometimes JJ gets too cute for my taste, but it's his team and he has no need to ask any of us permission. Anyway, it sure keeps us on our toes on draft day.


Jones used to "get cute" way too often, IMO. Some of his early 2000's drafts were just awful.

Lately though, his drafts have been very, very solid. I think he learned a whole lot from Parcells about how to run a scouting department and about draft philosophy overall.

Jones' learned lessons and Wade Phillips ability to spot talent have been a very good combo come draft time. Some of our best players have come through the draft the last few years.

I can finally relax a little on draft day and just trust that I will like the way things unfold... trades or no trades.
 

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AsthmaField;3311452 said:
Jones used to "get cute" way too often, IMO. Some of his early 2000's drafts were just awful.

Lately though, his drafts have been very, very solid. I think he learned a whole lot from Parcells about how to run a scouting department and about draft philosophy overall.

Jones' learned lessons and Wade Phillips ability to spot talent have been a very good combo come draft time. Some of our best players have come through the draft the last few years.

I can finally relax a little on draft day and just trust that I will like the way things unfold... trades or no trades.
That sums it well.

It's one reason why I'm still holding out hope for last year's class...though I hated us trading out of round 2, the overall class could still end up a solid one.
 

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ILB Jason Williams (third round, 69th overall) – He’s a phenomenal athlete who struggled to grasp the playbook and was set back by a high ankle sprain suffered in the preseason finale. His failure to make an impact on special teams was a major disappointment, resulting in him being inactive most games


I know this is a little bit off the subject, but to those of you who think that Marty Bennett doesn't know the playbook, this is what happens to players who REALLY don't know the playbook. Although the high ankle sprain certainly didn't help at the begining of the season, had he known where and when he was supposed to be, he would have gotten more playing time.
 

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casmith07;3311069 said:
I'm not sure how you can call that draft class a dud, given the rash of injuries. Oh wait, it's Tim MacMahon.

:hammer:

No doubt on the value of Buehler. Then there are J Williams and Bruster. Thirty-three of the current roster was acquired via the Cowboy's own draft. But if Hamlin and the two outside linebacker 'rooks' pan out at any realistic level, then the numbers bound out to about FIVE noticeable influences. Not shabby in any draft.
 
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