ESPN: DeMarcus Ware to have surgery

[dmq]

This surgery isn't going to fix Ware's stingers.Those are the much bigger problem.

 

[Corso]

which of course is BS because haley did not really make all that many plays

True, but that's not MY point.
My point is that this team couldn't get the other team off the field so noticeably others were making poignant sideways remarks about it and sideways digs on Ware specifically.

 

[Corso]

Yeah, that had nothing to do with guys like Everette Brown, Nick Hayden, Corey Irvin, Frank Kearse, and George Selvie playing next to him.

If the Cowboys had properly staffed the team, they probably could have kept Ware rested when he got hurt early in the season. He went out there and played hurt and scarified his body to try to give the team a chance to win. By the end of the season, there was no one else left to play for Ware.

You're right. I will not argue that for sure. Much better retort this time my friend.

I'm not dogging him without keeping that in mind. He's been "struggling" for the past Two seasons and it's time, in my uneducated opinion to come to terms with his career and salary going forward with this team.

 

[Corso]

Irvin did say that.
And that perception does exist but stats say Haley was wholly overrated here in Dallas.
He was merely the best pass rusher on the NFL's deepest and best DL.
But Dallas won a lot of games with Haley out.

In 1993 when Dallas had arguably the greatest football team ever assembled, Charles Haley contributed a mere 4 sacks.
He had a mere 10 total sacks his first two seasons combined.

In 1995 he was a good player still but he never played in the regular season after week 10.
Haley had 2.5 sacks total in the playoffs for Dallas during the dynasty.

Demarcus Ware has 4 sacks in the 4 career playoff games he's played in including 2 sacks in the only Dallas playoff victory this century.

I agree wholeheartedly.
But my point is no being taken.
My point is spelled out in my response to Burma. Or CyberBob. I don't remember anymore...

 

[jterrell]

The main problem is that Dallas has to decide by March 11th what to do with Ware. That is the day they need to be under the cap. They can get under without addressing Ware, but they will have little money to maneuver in Free Agency. Even an incentive laden deal doesn't help the team very much if those incentives are reachable. They still have to be accounted for eventually.

The easy choice is restructuring his full 12.75m and hoping for a rebound
The best choice is a 50% pay cut, guaranteeing 2015 against everything but injury and then they could still possibly restructure
An outright release in March helps 2014 and 2015 the most in FA and rebuilding
A June 1st release isn't a good option because the cap money isn't available until June 2nd, but it creates the most money for 2014
A trade doesn't seem possible at this point with the surgery
The worst case scenario is a restructure and Ware isn't able to fully recover and misses time throughout camp and the season, again

not at all a bad post but lets discuss some of the bullet points.

The easy choice is restructuring his full 12.75m and hoping for a rebound--Yes, it is. Because it frees up immediate cap space but also gives you a front line starting RDE.

The best choice is a 50% pay cut, guaranteeing 2015 against everything but injury and then they could still possibly restructure--That is a dream choice for the Cowboys. Ware has little incentive to do that type restructure at low rates. That is essentially a 2 year 12m deal. He can get that from Seattle if he wants and be a title favorite. Or literally just about any team in the NFL.

An outright release in March helps 2014 and 2015 the most in FA and rebuilding--It clears the most long term cap space related to Ware but does not address the position. Someone has to start there and someone has to back that player up. Those players will have cap hits in 2014 and 2015 and may or may not be rebuilding pieces. One could argue best way to handle it from a rebuilding standpoint is to keep Ware in 2014 but also draft his replacement.

A June 1st release isn't a good option because the cap money isn't available until June 2nd, but it creates the most money for 2014--correct. Getting enough space to keep Ware til June would require many worse cap decisions than simply the one move to restructure Ware.

A trade doesn't seem possible at this point with the surgery--Surgery has next to nothing to do with it. His surgery is a clean up procedure that effects his stock little to none. His neck and back issues are far more disconcerting. He can't likely be traded because he has a huge deal of money owed. He'd have to agree to a new deal before a trade could be made. And teams see Dallas doesn't want to pay him the current deal so have little incentive to trade for a guy who could well become a free agent while still crippling the Cowboys cap space.

The worst case scenario is a restructure and Ware isn't able to fully recover and misses time throughout camp and the season, again--debateable. Worst-case imho is he is released and signs with the Eagles and they win a Super Bowl. Can add driving Romo into the turf a couple times as insult upon injury.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

not at all a bad post but lets discuss some of the bullet points.

The worst case scenario is a restructure and Ware isn't able to fully recover and misses time throughout camp and the season, again--debateable. Can add driving Romo into the turf a couple times as insult upon injury.

Possible but not probable,especially if Jason Peters is healthy.

 

[Corso]

This surgery isn't going to fix Ware's stingers.Those are the much bigger problem.

That worries me the most- honestly.
That and your super-creepy avi...

*shudder*

 

[ragman]

anyone here ever had non-emergency elective surgery?

it takes time.
you get diagnosed, often wait a couple weeks for a second diagnoses then schedule something that fits the doc's/hospital sched a few weeks out.

ware had 3 or 4 issues... this was 1 of them. he's having the surgery plenty "early" in the off-season.

nfl players have exit interviews than a PRE-scheduled vacation unwinding period.
they also see doctors and make plans for the off-season as a whole.
this is really being blown insanely out of proportion.
this isnt brian waters having a surgery close or camp or anything of the sort.

the nfl is a year-round grind to be sure but like most people they do have a scheduled vacation period.
for NFL players it is January and February. they PLAN to let their bodies rest/heal in this time.


As to Fish: didn't hear that but completely unrealistic if as described.

You could legitimately offer Ware 7 mil this year and 7 mil next year if you FULLY guarantee both years.
He'd be taking a 5m pay cut for 2 additonal million guaranteed.
I'd never advise taking that deal were I his agent but it is a fair first offer.

More likely it would take about 9m guaranteed this year and also another 9m next.

Trading 18m guaranteed for tearing up his deal and eating 3m a year in salary losses is about right.

Dallas would have to seriously weigh if they wanted to do that deal.
Ware would have to weigh if he wants to take that deal.
Those are the type of balanced deals that get done.

Hasn't Ware had the problem with his elbow since early 2013? This is what an article in today's Dallas Morning News said. That's why I don't understand why he's waited this long to have it fixed.

 

[jterrell]

Hasn't Ware had the problem with his elbow since early 2013? This is what an article in today's Dallas Morning News said. That's why I don't understand why he's waited this long to have it fixed.

Easy, it is viewed as an elective surgery.
First option was resting it and letting it heal.
Couldn't during the season then it didn't last off-season.

He's played what 29 games with it then that case?
It's the most minor of his various injuries from all reports.
He's never missed a game due to his elbow.

People act like this is a major critical surgery he can't possibly do without or face immediate retirement, lol.

Pretty typical time period for off-season surgery that didn't end a player's season.

 

[Frozen700]

But he wants to keep his pay...

Come on son...

 

[ragman]

But he wants to keep his pay...

Come on son...

Agree. Give him a huge contract for less production? These huge contracts that JJ's giving the players are the main reason the Cowboys are in the salary cap predicament they're in. This isn't 1989 when the salary cap wasn't in effect.

 

[CooterBrown]

Funny how it comes out that there's a 50/50 chance Ware gets cuts and suddenly, surgery is something he needs. Guess skipping training camp next season after delaying surgery until then doesn't look so appealing when he might be looking for another team.

I like Ware a lot, but this just wreaks of wrong. If he needed surgery, he should have already taken care of it so he would have longer to recover and also deal with any issues that could possibly pop up over it.

It reeks of wrong too.

 

[Reality]

It reeks of wrong too.

Indeed!

 

[ragman]

Funny how it comes out that there's a 50/50 chance Ware gets cuts and suddenly, surgery is something he needs. Guess skipping training camp next season after delaying surgery until then doesn't look so appealing when he might be looking for another team.

I like Ware a lot, but this just wreaks of wrong. If he needed surgery, he should have already taken care of it so he would have longer to recover and also deal with any issues that could possibly pop up over it.

Agreed. He should have taken care of the elbow in 2013.

 

[Wood]

I have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt: could be that there was swelling or other conditions in the joint that had to be dealt with before the doctors could recommend surgery or not.

swelling would not take that long to go down. He probably just wanted to see if it would heal itself. Football players are like alot of people....they don't like going under the knife.

 

[Wood]

This smells too much like Spencer and Ratliff last year. He's expensive, declining, unwilling to take a pay cut, injured and in need of surgery. If there wasn't a better time to move on...

you bring up a good point. There seems to be alot of non-compliance by older players on this team. Something on the inner core of that team is not sitting well with experienced players. Usually those players are your leaders but for Dallas they become defiant. At best its odd.