News: ESPN: Frederick says Martin was better than he was as a rookie

[jobberone]

Rarely do rookies not have some problems and the OL generally takes a couple of years before players start playing at a very high level. But I'm glad to hear Fred thinks Martin is doing well. They all need to be more consistent IMO although I love the run game.

 

[ShiningStar]

if we drafted rubber bands some would have to tell us how great a pick it was. Its an ok pick. im not going to get excited. Reality will continue to educate.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

if we drafted rubber bands some would have to tell us how great a pick it was. Its an ok pick. im not going to get excited. Reality will continue to educate.

True.

@Reality continues to write text books used in Ivy League universities.

 

[ShiningStar]

True.

@Reality continues to write text books used in Ivy League universities.

truth. he does do some good educating around here. ill give him that.

 

[jobberone]

True.

@Reality continues to write text books used in Ivy League universities.

I had Ivy once. It was horrible. Calamine lotion everywhere and I mean everywhere. Except then It was definitely @Real.

 

[theSHOW]

Don't burn me at the stake for saying this, but how important is O-line? I'm not saying it's not important at all, but (sort of like WR) is an elite one necessary? I look at the elite offenses and I don't necessarily see a correlation to elite O-lines. Seattle had/has one of the worst O-lines in the league and their offense is more dynamic than ever. Denver had a bunch of nobodies before Peyton got there (taking injuries into account) and he made them look like a great wall. The Saints had a bad O-line for years. The Packers had a horrible one.

You know who has a great O-line? Tennessee. How good is their offense? Not very. Same could be said for Minnesota and some other teams.

Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't invest in O-line. But I'm saying that an elite D-line will have more of an impact on the game than an elite O-line. Are the Titans gonna win the Super Bowl? Not a chance. Do the Giants have two Super Bowl rings because of a dominant D-line? You bet cha.

You don't know how much an AllPro Offensive line can help a team until you see one. Imagine 5 players moving the defense back every snap. I love the Martin pick and would have no problem taking another lineman #1 again to complete this unit.

 

[benson]

Now the top pick next year HAS to be defense. Preferably d-line. Then in 2016, one of Romo's last years, we can compete.

If the stars align, Romo gets a ring before he retires and we have well-groomed a replacement (a-la Brett Favre-->Aaron Rodgers transition) and we don't stop competing and snag another ring or two before this core ages.

I'll probably be dead by then but I can dream.

 

[Seven]

I won't burn you at the stake but.........

You're the bomb, Job.

 

[AsthmaField]

Happy when we drafted him and he has done nothing to change my mind on that yet.

Well, I'm a little concerned that we haven't seen ANY pictures of Martin in any type of casino, nor on any type of inflatable Fowl.

At this point, I don't even know if Zack even knows how to roll a $100 bill.

Hopefully he works out OK though.

 

[AsthmaField]

Don't burn me at the stake for saying this, but how important is O-line? I'm not saying it's not important at all, but (sort of like WR) is an elite one necessary? I look at the elite offenses and I don't necessarily see a correlation to elite O-lines. Seattle had/has one of the worst O-lines in the league and their offense is more dynamic than ever. Denver had a bunch of nobodies before Peyton got there (taking injuries into account) and he made them look like a great wall. The Saints had a bad O-line for years. The Packers had a horrible one.

You know who has a great O-line? Tennessee. How good is their offense? Not very. Same could be said for Minnesota and some other teams.

Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't invest in O-line. But I'm saying that an elite D-line will have more of an impact on the game than an elite O-line. Are the Titans gonna win the Super Bowl? Not a chance. Do the Giants have two Super Bowl rings because of a dominant D-line? You bet cha.

Don't shoot the messenger here... But @Risen Star wants to see you in his office...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well, I'm a little concerned that we haven't seen ANY pictures of Martin in any type of casino, nor on any type of inflatable Fowl.

At this point, I don't even know if Zack even knows how to roll a $100 bill.

Hopefully he works out OK though.

But we don't have to worry about him trying to get trade marks for Johnny (insert name here) .

Instead he might try for Zack Attack.

 

[AsthmaField]

My Favorite Martin?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I had Ivy once. It was horrible. Calamine lotion everywhere and I mean everywhere. Except then It was definitely @Real.

A good Buddy of mine once dated Ivy. She was nothing but trouble but she was smoking hot! He'll tell ya it was the best and the worst time of his life!

 

[xwalker]

There's no doubt Martin was a good pick, at this point

I'll give the front office points for that

Martin's an interesting player. He is very good already, but he's not overly big. He's quick, but not a freak athlete and his arm length was a little shorter than what scouts generally prefer.

It's difficult to explain what makes him as good. I'm sure he has good weight room strength, but there have been many Guards that had good weight room strength but were not that good in games.

I think Martin and Fred both show that you can't underestimate the mental side of playing OLine (technique and awareness).

 

[Future]

Don't burn me at the stake for saying this, but how important is O-line? I'm not saying it's not important at all, but (sort of like WR) is an elite one necessary? I look at the elite offenses and I don't necessarily see a correlation to elite O-lines. Seattle had/has one of the worst O-lines in the league and their offense is more dynamic than ever. Denver had a bunch of nobodies before Peyton got there (taking injuries into account) and he made them look like a great wall. The Saints had a bad O-line for years. The Packers had a horrible one.

You know who has a great O-line? Tennessee. How good is their offense? Not very. Same could be said for Minnesota and some other teams.

Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't invest in O-line. But I'm saying that an elite D-line will have more of an impact on the game than an elite O-line. Are the Titans gonna win the Super Bowl? Not a chance. Do the Giants have two Super Bowl rings because of a dominant D-line? You bet cha.

The Elite offenses you mention with poor olines have HOF quarterbacks behind them.

And I think Seattle's is probably better than it is given credit for, considering how good their rushing attack has traditionally been.

 

[xwalker]

Don't burn me at the stake for saying this, but how important is O-line? I'm not saying it's not important at all, but (sort of like WR) is an elite one necessary? I look at the elite offenses and I don't necessarily see a correlation to elite O-lines. Seattle had/has one of the worst O-lines in the league and their offense is more dynamic than ever. Denver had a bunch of nobodies before Peyton got there (taking injuries into account) and he made them look like a great wall. The Saints had a bad O-line for years. The Packers had a horrible one.

You know who has a great O-line? Tennessee. How good is their offense? Not very. Same could be said for Minnesota and some other teams.

Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't invest in O-line. But I'm saying that an elite D-line will have more of an impact on the game than an elite O-line. Are the Titans gonna win the Super Bowl? Not a chance. Do the Giants have two Super Bowl rings because of a dominant D-line? You bet cha.

It depends on the offense scheme and play-calling to some extent. They need to pound the Defense into submission with the running game and then exploit them with the pass. It's difficult to call the offense that way if you get behind early. As with all offensive schemes, turnovers will doom your game plan.

With a 34 year old QB with 2 back surgeries, I would venture to say the the OL in more important for the Cowboys than for some other teams. Also, if Romo can't hold up and they have to draft and play a young QB, the learning curve for the young QB should be much faster with a good OL than without.

 

[Gaede]

Martin's an interesting player. He is very good already, but he's not overly big. He's quick, but not a freak athlete and his arm length was a little shorter than what scouts generally prefer.

It's difficult to explain what makes him as good. I'm sure he has good weight room strength, but there have been many Guards that had good weight room strength but were not that good in games.

I think Martin and Fred both show that you can't underestimate the mental side of playing OLine (technique and awareness).

Agree completely. It's very hard to pin down how he is so good, especially at such an early stage in his career.

 

[Gaede]

Martin's an interesting player. He is very good already, but he's not overly big. He's quick, but not a freak athlete and his arm length was a little shorter than what scouts generally prefer.

It's difficult to explain what makes him as good. I'm sure he has good weight room strength, but there have been many Guards that had good weight room strength but were not that good in games.

I think Martin and Fred both show that you can't underestimate the mental side of playing OLine (technique and awareness).

Agree completely. It's very hard to pin down how he is so good, especially at such an early stage in his career.

 

[jobberone]

A good Buddy of mine once dated Ivy. She was nothing but trouble but she was smoking hot! He'll tell ya it was the best and the worst time of his life!

He can have her. I never date anyone who dated Arnold.

 

[jobberone]

You're the bomb, Job.

Sometimes my wife tells he something like that to put it nicely.