News: ESPN: Jason Garrett says character matters to Dallas Cowboys

[Idgit]

You tell yourself that. Make up whatever stories and buy into whatever spin and lies Garrett and the Cowboys give you. Myself and the rest of the world see this for exactly what it is.

You don't speak for the world, stash. You've got a couple angry young adults and disaffected fans on the internet who agree with you.

The rest of understand that the NFL is a mix of talent and personalities. Our team's been pretty good when it comes to how we handle ourselves. And when we take risks like we did with Hardy, they're calculated risks.

 

[bkeavs]

Do we really have to go through the charade every time? Make the distinction between character and football character? Explain how every single team in the league has players with substance issues. That some of them, like Scandrick last season, happen to also be guys with great football character? That the fact is, this really is a high character football team as evidenced by the fact that it hung together despite the worst set of setbacks and unexpected changes of fortune in recent memory? I guess we do.

The fact is, character does matter to this club. They try hard to support their players. Even the troubled ones like Randle and Brent. The team gets it. And the team never promised not to take a chance on a guy with a mix of character concerns and real ability. In Jason's own words:



Some of you guys really need to take your foot off the accelerator when it comes to mocking and complaining every little thing that get said in the long offseason. Or, rather, you don't, but it sure would be nice if you considered it.

God Bless You Idgit

 

[Idgit]

It wasn't an insult rather an observation. Mickey always spins everything positive for the team just like you do. I really envy you in that regard. I wish I never let anything this team does bother me. As far as being right, I am quite sure Mickey believes he is too. Everyone has their own opinion and everyone thinks they are right.

I don't always spin positive, though. By and large, I blame the depth of the defensive roster over the last few years, the cap tightness due to the new CBA and our cap penalty, the bad job we did handicapping the QB position, the false starts assembling a defensive staff and scheme, and Jerrys ridiculous accessibility to players for us not having more success than we've had in the Garrett era. Nobody wants to hear that.

What I don't do is stupidly dog pile on any random interpretation of any Cowboy-related event just because it's emotionally satisfying to vent. Because I consider that irrational. And I'm not shy about taking on those dumb emotional interpretations because why should I be? I'd much rather we have smart critical debate than bark like yappy little dogs at every knock of the door.

 

[Idgit]

God Bless You Idgit

Did I sneeze?

 

[Stash]

You don't speak for the world, stash. You've got a couple angry young adults and disaffected fans on the internet who agree with you.

The rest of understand that the NFL is a mix of talent and personalities. Our team's been pretty good when it comes to how we handle ourselves. And when we take risks like we did with Hardy, they're calculated risks.

No. I speak for myself. And apparently the majority here agree with that same position. And nobody's buying what you or Garrett are trying to sell.

 

[Idgit]

No. I speak for myself. And apparently the majority here agree with that same position. And nobody's buying what you or Garrett are trying to sell.

It doesn't matter to me what the vocal minority here thinks. We've both seen how wrong they can be over the years. The point isn't to have the popular opinion. I'm just telling you how I see it the character on this team, and it's not the problem. The problem is we need more talent.

 

[Stash]

It doesn't matter to me what the vocal minority here thinks. We've both seen how wrong they can be over the years. The point isn't to have the popular opinion. I'm just telling you how I see it the character on this team, and it's not the problem. The problem is we need more talent.

And it doesn't matter how many times you mistakenly try to classify the majority of opinions here as "minority" either. Anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see the truth.

I don't see anybody saying that a character problem is the reason this team is disappointing. Nobody's making that case here so I don't know why that's being brought up.

 

[Idgit]

And it doesn't matter how many times you mistakenly try to classify the majority of opinions here as "minority" either. Anyone with a functioning set of eyes can see the truth.

I don't see anybody saying that a character problem is the reason this team is disappointing. Nobody's making that case here so I don't know why that's being brought up.

If you don't think the character issue is involved with the performance, then I'm not sure why you're set on claiming there is one, but that's your prerogative. I'm saying I've seen almost zero evidence of character being a problem in Dallas. In fact, I think the way the team generally sticks together despite the things that actually caused the losing season is pretty impressive.

As to the minority comment, I was trying to say that most of the visitors to CZ lurk, so it's not fair to say that the majority of the ones who do are representative of anything. It's also true that people get tired of refuting the constant offseason criticisms of every single story or topic.

Like with all of these topics, it's the same 6-10 posters doing most of the complaining and the same 5-6 other posters suggesting they keep things in perspective. None of that necessarily generalizes to the entire fanbase. And if it did, it still wouldn't matter. It's not a democracy where the right answer is determined by the popularity of the response.

 

[Stash]

If you don't think the character issue is involved with the performance, then I'm not sure why you're set on claiming there is one, but that's your prerogative. I'm saying I've seen almost zero evidence of character being a problem in Dallas. In fact, I think the way the team generally sticks together despite the things that actually caused the losing season is pretty impressive.

The only claim I'm making is that Garrett is being totally hypocritical preaching character when the team he coaches drop any character requirements as soon as they have a need. And that's not interpretation, it's borne out by repeated actions by the team.

As to the minority comment, I was trying to say that most of the visitors to CZ lurk, so it's not fair to say that the majority of the ones who do are representative of anything. It's also true that people get tired of refuting the constant offseason criticisms of every single story or topic.

That's speculation on your part. The majority of people who have cared enough to respond believe that Garrett's being hypocritical.

Like with all of these topics, it's the same 6-10 posters doing most of the complaining and the same 5-6 other posters suggesting they keep things in perspective. None of that necessarily generalizes to the entire fanbase. And if it did, it still wouldn't matter. It's not a democracy where the right answer is determined by the popularity of the response.

Majority is still majority, whether someone likes it or not. And for something you profess "doesn't matter" to you, you're spending an awful lot of time trying to make your case, with zero success I might add.

 

[Idgit]

The only claim I'm making is that Garrett is being totally hypocritical preaching character when the team he coaches drop any character requirements as soon as they have a need. And that's not interpretation, it's borne out by repeated actions by the team.

That's speculation on your part. The majority of people who have cared enough to respond believe that Garrett's being hypocritical.

Majority is still majority, whether someone likes it or not. And for something you profess "doesn't matter" to you, you're spending an awful lot of time trying to make your case, with zero success I might add.

I said it doesn't matter if a majority of the people who happen to post an opinion on the topic agree with me. Not that it doesn't matter whether or not there's a character problem on the Cowboys.

I know you're hung up on high character being an acid test for being on the roster, but that obviously was never the standard, and nobody ever said it was the standard. They said football character was important. That doesn't make taking chances on one or two talented players hypocrisy by any rational interpretation. There's nothing to see here at all. It's just more offseason noise from an unhappy fanbase.

And you can have the last word as we're both stubborn and we're both obviously not going to agree on this one.

 

[Stash]

I said it doesn't matter if a majority of the people who happen to post an opinion on the topic agree with me. Not that it doesn't matter whether or not there's a character problem on the Cowboys.

I know you're hung up on high character being an acid test for being on the roster, but that obviously was never the standard, and nobody ever said it was the standard. They said football character was important. That doesn't make taking chances on one or two talented players hypocrisy by any rational interpretation. There's nothing to see here at all. It's just more offseason noise from an unhappy fanbase.

And you can have the last word as we're both stubborn and we're both obviously not going to agree on this one.

The only last word I have to say is that this whole exercise is a waste of time. You're not changing my mind about it and I'm not changing yours. We can just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Beast_from_East]

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[big dog cowboy]

That's speculation on your part.

Not really.

 

[Stash]

Not really.

If you'd care to try to prove it, you're welcome to. But nobody can speak for anyone who's not speaking for themselves.

 

[cml750]

It doesn't matter to me what the vocal minority here thinks. We've both seen how wrong they can be over the years. The point isn't to have the popular opinion. I'm just telling you how I see it the character on this team, and it's not the problem. The problem is we need more talent.

I am not sure an all-pro team could win a title with Garrett leading them. If you need a superstar at every position to win then what does the coach bring to the table? As far as character goes, actions speak louder than words, and the teams actions make Garrett's words ring empty.

 

[cml750]

As far as overall character, I do not expect a team of Pollyanas but I do draw the line at hitting a woman. I wanted Manziel here until he crossed that line. If you are speaking about solely football character, the team wanting McClain back should be proof enough Garrett is blowing smoke like usual. I just don't get the robotic "I MUST DEFEND TEAM" mentality of some fans. Just call things the way they are. It does not make anyone less of a fan to criticize the team when the team deserves it. When the coach is being less than honest call him on it.

 

[Idgit]

I am not sure an all-pro team could win a title with Garrett leading them. If you need a superstar at every position to win then what does the coach bring to the table? As far as character goes, actions speak louder than words, and the teams actions make Garrett's words ring empty.

Agree to disagree. The NFL's about finding and developing talent. If you want to knock Garrett, knock him for not being able to do that fast enough.

It's not the scheme, and it's not the second guessing of play calls, though. Most of the time, the guy with the best roster wins. Now I'm not sure Jerry doesn't make having the best roster in Dallas very difficult with his tendency to take big player personnel risks, but if it's doable, we need somebody in there like Jason to manage both upwards and downwards.

That said, it's taken way too long to fix this defense. We've had a couple of mistakes with the hiring of DCs. I think we've finally got it right this time, but it's time to deliver.

 

[cowboyblue22]

if Jason garrett dosnt take the cowboys to the playoffs this year he will be fired simple as that he is coaching for his job. But I wont matter any way because jerry will just bring in someone else that he can push around.

 

[cowboyblue22]

and yes garrett is blowing smoke about character football team. Yes this team lacks lots of talent and they don't win because of it

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you'd care to try to prove it, you're welcome to.

Not a chance in hell.