ESPN Mosley: Camp Confidential: These Giants looks familiar

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Osi Umenyiora is back from an injury and the Giants have high expectations for him.

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

ALBANY, N.Y. -- The Giants are in desperate need of a preseason game, which will happen Monday night against the Panthers. In recent weeks, practices on the lower fields at the University at Albany have featured brawls on a daily basis.

On Wednesday evening, I watched Tom Coughlin leave his post during a goal-line drill to wade into a fight that had broken out away from the action. Earlier that day, it was Coughlin who provided the fireworks when he launched into a tirade when an offensive lineman didn't finish a block during a brutal 9-on-7 drill. Is this the same cuddly grandfather character who we read so much about leading up to Super Bowl XLII?

Everyone seems angry around here, and for the most part, I think Coughlin's pretty comfortable with that atmosphere. At this time last year, players and coaches were being asked how difficult it would be to defend a Super Bowl title.

Camp Confidential: NFC East
• Cowboys: Fri., Aug. 7
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• Giants: Mon., Aug. 17
• Commanders: Fri., Aug. 21
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Now, the focus is on making amends for a season that went belly-up in December and January because of the infamous Plaxico Burress incident and a host of injuries along the defensive line. The Giants won't be able to replace a unique talent such as Burress right away, but third-round draft pick Ramses Barden is doing his part. Barden, who played at Cal Poly, was supposed to have a tough adjustment to this level. Instead, he has become the toughest player to cover in camp, providing daily highlight-reel catches that included a one-hander in the end zone Aug. 8 that folks in Albany are still talking about. General manager Jerry Reese tried to temper all of the enthusiasm for Barden, but the huge grin on his face suggested those were just words.

"He's big and he catches everything," Reese said of Barden. "He's a quick learner and he's gigantic. He's got a huge strike zone. He had the stigma of the small school, but so did [Kevin] Boss. If a guy doesn't jump off the screen at a small school, he can't play at this level. Barden jumped off the screen. And he didn't look out of place at the combine. And if you talk to him, he's very bright. We expect him to play right from the start."


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Rookie Ramses Barden is turning heads in his first training camp.

Reese's first priority this offseason was to re-stock a defensive line that wore down last December. The Giants' rotation along the defensive line in '07 was the biggest factor in taking down the Patriots -- at least in my opinion. And by adding Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard in free agency, the Giants are once again loaded. It doesn't hurt that the lone Pro Bowler from the Super Bowl team, defensive end Osi Umenyiora, is back from a knee injury that knocked him out for '08. I asked Reese what he learned from the '08 season.

"Well, I learned a lot of things," he said. "We got hit right out of the gate last year with a Hall of Famer retiring [Michael Strahan] and a Pro Bowler [Umenyiora] going down. We made it through three quarters of the season, but then we got worn down. I'll try not to let that happen again. We have to sustain the madness up front."

Key Questions

1. How will the Giants replace Burress at wide receiver?

It's not like Burress was putting up big numbers last season, but his presence alone opened things up for the rest of the offense. Without him, the offense became easier to defend -- as the Eagles showed twice in December and January. I don't think the Giants have a true No. 1 receiver, although third-year player Steve Smith will take on a larger role. Quarterback Eli Manning is gaining faith in Mario Manningham by the day and Sinorice Moss is quietly putting together a pretty nice camp.

The Giants will have to make some tough decisions because there are at least seven players in the mix for a roster spot, and that seems excessive. Barden could immediately be a threat in the red zone and remember that veteran David Tyree's still on the roster. He's known for the catch in the Super Bowl, but he's also a former Pro Bowl special-teams player. I think there's a chance first-round pick Hakeem Nicks will have a hard time seeing the field early in the season. He's been slowed by a hamstring injury, and those things annoy Coughlin to no end. I think Domenik Hixon and Smith will be the starters, but they will face some major competition throughout the season.

2. Who will replace Derrick Ward as No. 2 running back?



Ware


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Unfortunately, the player who most reminded Reese and Coughlin of Ward, rookie Andre Brown, ruptured his Achilles' tendon in Friday's practice and will miss the season. That leaves Danny Ware and Ahmad Bradshaw in competition for the backup role. Ware has looked solid in camp, but Reese tells me that it's Bradshaw's job to lose. A lot of it has to do with who's willing to pick up the blitz. When Jacobs first came into the league, he just wanted the ball. He didn't have any interest in picking up the blitz. Now he's become an excellent blocker and the Giants are hoping Bradshaw and Ware follow that path.

Bradshaw has some power to go along with his speed, but there are people who still wonder how he'd do if Jacobs misses a game or two. There's a good chance that will happen at some point, so Bradshaw must be ready. I think he'll be up to the task.

3. With Michael Boley suspended for the first game, who's stepping up at linebacker?

The Giants have created an intense competition at linebacker while Boley recovers from a hip injury. Former BYU standout Bryan Kehl has always had the physical tools to make an impact as weakside linebacker, but he needed to become a more physical player. He seems to be taking that next step in this camp. Gerris Wilkinson is also in the mix to start in that first game. He's a talented player who's never been able to stay healthy.

Boley was brought in so that he could cover running backs such as Brian Westbrook and Felix Jones. He's an excellent coverage linebacker, but he needs to get back on the field soon and start playing his way into game shape. I like what Chase Blackburn's been doing in practice. He's one of those players who's always around the ball. I saw him leap to pick off a David Carr pass in last Wednesday's evening practice.

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Phillips

As I've written before, I think second-year safety Kenny Phillips is about to become a star in this league. He's a graceful player with a knack for arriving at the right moment. He's made some outstanding plays on the ball in camp and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the Pro Bowl. At cornerback, second-year player Terrell Thomas out of USC is making a move in this camp. I don't know how much longer Kevin Dockery can hold him off at the nickel spot.

Newcomer to watch

I've already mentioned him once, but keep your eye on Barden in the preseason. He's been unstoppable in training camp. The one-handed, twisting grab he made Aug. 8 has already become part of Giants training camp lore -- if there is such a thing. Even when he's tightly defended, Barden will climb the ladder and use his 6-foot-6 frame to block out the defensive back. The starting corners were out with injuries when I was in Albany, but he was tearing up the other defenders. If you asked Manning what's been the most pleasant surprise at camp, I think Barden's the direction he goes. And I'm ready to see more of Stoney Woodson at cornerback. He's a seventh-round pick who already looks like he belongs.

Observation Deck


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Mathias Kiwanuka has turned in a solid camp for the Giants.

The fact that Mathias Kiwanuka hates being referred to as a backup is a good thing for the Giants. When he lines up with the second team, he's destroying offensive tackles -- both first- and second-teamers. He almost flattened the 315-pound Kevin Boothe on an inside running play. ...

I guess no one's told wide receiver Derek Hagan he's not supposed to make this roster. He has had an excellent camp and taken advantage of Smith and Nicks missing time with injuries. ...

Safeties coach Dave Merritt is asking players to treat incomplete passes as live balls. He wants his young players to learn how to properly recover a fumble. And that's why rookies such as Woodson will go racing to the ball after it hits the ground. By the way, I think the Giants are stacked at cornerback right now. Everyone wants to talk about the reinforcements on the defensive line, but this team is even deeper in the secondary. ...

Second-round pick Clint Sintim is a total Reese guy. Big, fast and ridiculously long arms. I saw him tip a ball at the line of scrimmage and then almost make the interception. He's a little hesitant right now, but I don't think it will take him a long time to make an impact. ...

If the season started today, your starting linebackers are Kehl (in place of Boley), Antonio Pierce and Danny Clark. ...

Blackburn is a fiery guy who takes practices to another level. He's certainly not the best athlete on the field, but he'll sort of blend in and then make an interception out of nowhere. Carr never saw him on a pass across the middle last Wednesday. ...

I thought Andre Woodson's days were numbered as a third-string quarterback, but he's held up well against fifth-round pick Rhett Bomar. Woodson's been a lot more accurate and he's getting the ball out faster than Bomar. I'm eager to see how he plays in Monday's preseason game. ...

Backup center Adam Koets must get it together before Coughlin completely loses his patience. He botched a snap in the practice I watched and I'm told that's a common occurrence. ...

DeAndre Wright, a rookie cornerback out of New Mexico, made some nice plays in last Wednesday's practice. Wright and Woodson are doing a great job of soaking up what Corey Webster and Aaron Ross are telling them. Other than R.W. McQuarters, Ross and Webster didn't get a lot of help from the veterans when they were breaking into the league. And that's why they're spending a lot of time with the young guys. By the way, kudos to Dockery. He refuses to give in to the more talented Thomas.
 

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I wanted Barden bad. Was disappointed when the Jints took him off the board...
 

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Biggest point made: NO #1 receiver. Smith, et al. are going to look stupidly foolish trying to get open against the other team's #1 and #2 cornerbacks after spending a career against #3's and #4's.

No way does New Jersey's offensive line make it through another season unscathed and their back-ups make Cory Proctor look like an All-Pro first ballot HOF'er.
 

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Blah blah blah.

We've beaten 'em before, we'll beat 'em again. Hopefully multiple times this year.
 

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Primetime42;2889193 said:
We've beaten 'em before, we'll beat 'em again.

When Romo starts against the Giants, we're 4-1 and have outscored them by an average of 10.4 points per game.
 

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AdamJT13;2889405 said:
When Romo starts against the Giants, we're 4-1 and have outscored them by an average of 10.4 points per game.

Wish they had stats for how well QBs do when given adequate protection, had our line helped him in that playoff game - we wouldn't have watched them spray paint our locker room and laugh their way to a super bowl.
 

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Apollo Creed;2889415 said:
Wish they had stats for how well QBs do when given adequate protection, had our line helped him in that playoff game - we wouldn't have watched them spray paint our locker room and laugh their way to a super bowl.

That, or if the refs actually knew the intentional grounding rule.

It's often overlooked, but an incorrect penalty killed our second-to-last drive. Down 21-17 with seven minutes remaining, we picked up two first downs and were at the Giants' 41 with four minutes left. Then Romo legally threw the ball away, but the refs incorrectly flagged him for intentional grounding -- the most costly offensive penalty there is -- costing us 10 yards AND a loss of down. We went from driving and being on the brink of field-goal territory to back on our half of the field facing second-and-20. Had the penalty not been called, we likely could have at least kicked a field goal on that drive. With a field goal, we'd have been in position to kick the winner on our final possession, when we drove to the Giants' 22-yard line in the final minute.

We cost ourselves plenty enough in that game. We didn't need the refs piling on. Without their mistake, we still had a good chance of winning that game.
 

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I'm still saddened by that Divisional playoff game against the Giants.
 

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Fletch;2889520 said:
I'm still saddened by that Divisional playoff game against the Giants.

Won't ever forget it nor will the New Jersey fans admit how much help they had from the guys in stripes. Nah, the extra set of downs on one of their three scoring drives didn't help a bit. The refs call that right, and we're ahead 17-7 in the middle of the third quarter. :bang2:
 

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AdamJT13;2889484 said:
That, or if the refs actually knew the intentional grounding rule.

It's often overlooked, but an incorrect penalty killed our second-to-last drive. Down 21-17 with seven minutes remaining, we picked up two first downs and were at the Giants' 41 with four minutes left. Then Romo legally threw the ball away, but the refs incorrectly flagged him for intentional grounding -- the most costly offensive penalty there is -- costing us 10 yards AND a loss of down. We went from driving and being on the brink of field-goal territory to back on our half of the field facing second-and-20. Had the penalty not been called, we likely could have at least kicked a field goal on that drive. With a field goal, we'd have been in position to kick the winner on our final possession, when we drove to the Giants' 22-yard line in the final minute.

We cost ourselves plenty enough in that game. We didn't need the refs piling on. Without their mistake, we still had a good chance of winning that game.

And then there's the Leonard Davis bogus unnecessary roughness call Strahan talked them into. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Two of the worst calls I've ever seen, and they happened in the same half. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

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AdamJT13;2889405 said:
When Romo starts against the Giants, we're 4-1 and have outscored them by an average of 10.4 points per game.

That only loss being in the playoffs 2 seasons ago?
 

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Chocolate Lab;2889687 said:
And then there's the Leonard Davis bogus unnecessary roughness call Strahan talked them into. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Two of the worst calls I've ever seen, and they happened in the same half. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Don't forget the phony offsides on Ware on the first drive.
 

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AKATheRake;2889752 said:
That only loss being in the playoffs 2 seasons ago?

Correct. Romo has never lost to the Giants during the regular season as a starter, and three of the four wins have been by double digits.
 
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