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Doomsday101;2778616 said:
I'm sure there are I'm not discounting that I'm saying there was more than meets the eye on what was taking place. Jerry has been an owner who tends to be loyal to a fault at times with quality players for Jerry to pull the trigger as he did says a lot

Sure does. He got pressure from some of the players, front office, and fans to do this.
 

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Jon88;2778595 said:
Owens got the contract and reverted to his old ways. It's that simple.

Bingo. He got his $10-12 million signing bonus and a long term deal. He figured there was no way the team could cut him so he reverted to his old ways and destroyed the team from within. There's much more to the story that we haven't heard. It had to be real bad for JJ to part ways with him after giving him all that money.
 

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Doomsday101;2778616 said:
I'm sure there are I'm not discounting that I'm saying there was more than meets the eye on what was taking place. Jerry has been an owner who tends to be loyal to a fault at times with quality players for Jerry to pull the trigger as he did says a lot

I agree wholeheartedly. There's something about the TO situation that we don't know and we may never know.
 

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Cowboys22;2778628 said:
Bingo. He got his $10-12 million signing bonus and a long term deal. He figured there was no way the team could cut him so he reverted to his old ways and destroyed the team from within. There's much more to the story that we haven't heard. It had to be real bad for JJ to part ways with him after giving him all that money.

When you make deals with bad people that's what happens.
 

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Boyzmamacita;2778630 said:
I agree wholeheartedly. There's something about the TO situation that we don't know and we may never know.

At this stage I don't even want to know. All I want is the 53 men on the roster coming together as a team I don't know how much negative affect or not TO was having I do know something was taking place that pushed Jerry to do this.
 

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adbutcher;2778542 said:
You are not alone. I despise the punk.

Now that I have matured, I like to think that I would be able to refrain from knocking the crap out of him. However, I get a nervous twitch every time his name is mentioned.

You have a nervous twitch anyways.........:p:
 

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CATCH17;2778545 said:
Thats the way a large part of Cowboy fans look at this team as well.

Some people focus on the negative waaay to much.
Ya about 50% of this board. They wanna see the Cowboys fail so it will prop up their egos. Then they can run around saying "I told you so, I told you so", waving their hands in the air like a 5 year old.
 

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Woods;2778535 said:
IMO, our best move this off-season (thus far) has been replacing Read with Coach D on STs.

I think you are right Woods. I just hope his injury doesn't limit his impact on ST's.

He could possibly make an interesting candidate for the next HC.
 

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jterrell;2778536 said:
Is it just me or does anyone else fear seeing Matt Mosley on the street and going postal on him?
I don't fear that, I just fear his inane writing.
 

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Mosley thinks Terrel Owens is "still an elite receiver".

Elite receivers don't get put in a bottle or with physical play at the line of scrimmage. Go back and look at Owens' big plays last year. He got them when he was allowed a free release of the line of scrimmage. Either the CB played off too far, or he was put in motion before the play.

Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss... Those players are elite receivers. They can line up and beat press or physical coverage.

The cornerbacks in the NFC East are some of the best in the NFL. A soon to be 36 year old Owens would not have faired any better than he did in 2008, imo. Owens' YPA declined three out of the last four years. The only exception was Owens' 2007 season under Jason Garrett, one of his best seasons. Owens didn't deserve to be a focal point of the offense, especially with his selfish disposition. He's gone for this reason as well. Owens would have never accepted 3-5 targets per game, and as a result, he's gone. It wasn't just his divisive dispositiion and selfishness, it was his declining output on the field that led to his release.

If it wasn't for the 49ers' stupidity of playing him 10 yards off, he may not have cracked 1,000 yards. His 10 TDs were good, but Felix Jones had three last year, and he is capable of scoring at least 10 TDs. Martellus Bennett is a redzone threat. Miles Austin showed he can score TDs when healthy and make some big plays. Roy Williams is a redzone threat, and he can get deep. Owens was expendalbe.

If you take out the 49ers game (and the 49ers were a bad team), Owens has a yardage total in the 800s. What was Mike Singletary thinking? It was dumb football and easy pitch and catch. If you let Owens get cranked up, he can hurt you deep. If you get physical with him, you can knock him off his route. Furtermore, Owens can't get it cranked up again. He has trouble getting up to full speed or slowed down when you jam him, and once you jam him, he is slow to restart. If you can't beat the corber, you have no shot to beat the safety. Owens was easy prey to the formula that limted his output or ability to dominate a game. Jimmy Johnson is on the record about this aspect of Owen's game. Perhaps, Owens should train with the team trainer and not on his own at this stage in his career.

Owens was a player on the decline, and the offense and the quarterback (Tony Romo) suffered due to his declining output. Owens didn't dominate the good teams, the good teams kept him from being the difference when they watched Charles Woodson, Shawn Springs, and Carolos Rodgers put the clamps on Owens by getting physical with him.
 

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WoodysGirl;2778519 said:
1. The Commanders signing Albert Haynesworth: the Commanders believe Haynesworth will be the best defensive player in the league for at least the next three years

2. The Cowboys' release of Terrell Owens - He remains an elite receiver

3. The Eagles trading for Jason Peters: It's so rare to find an elite left tackle at the peak of his career....I know he wasn't great in Buffalo last season

4. The Giants signing Chris Canty in free agency: He'll help collapse the pocket and knock down passes with his huge wingspan. He'll also move outside and play defensive end in some subpackages.
1. No - Ware
2. No - elite?
3. No - he makes no sense
4. No - moving from Dallas didn't earn him a "S" on his chest
 

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big dog cowboy;2779002 said:
1. No - Ware
2. No - elite?
3. No - he makes no sense
4. No - moving from Dallas didn't earn him a "S" on his chest


That was short and to the point. I could take some lessons. ;)

I missed the first one. I've called DeMarcus Ware the best player in football. I'll take the 20 sack guy, who can play the run with the best of them from the edge (lethal on backside while chasing RBs down from behind), and cover TEs and smash Reggie Bush in space.

I have seen Romo and Roy Williams taking heat. Williams has gotten heat from Mosley, but he calls Owens "elite". That's funny. People don't need to forget why Terrell Owens was released. The fact that Mosley called him "elite" after last season says something.

The Cowboys cut a declining, finger pointing, divisive, trouble maker.

He left that part out, and I filled it in.


4. When was Chris Canty ever a terror when rushing from the inside?

I really like our defensive ends:

Marcus Spears (I hope we keep him. He's solid and durable and should be kind of cheap like Igor)


Igor Olshansky didn't play on third down, so he was cheaper. Canty played on third down, but Parcells had Jason Hatcher playing better than Canty did on the inside. Hatcher was a rookie. Canty was a great pick (solid starter in round 4), but the Giants way over paid, but he's in New York.

What a steal. LOL

I want to see how Olshansky plays next to DeMarcus Ware. I bet he can set a career high for sacks.
 

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adbutcher;2778772 said:
:confused: have you been talking to Hos?:)

Its hard to talk to him.....he has one too!!!


I was just messing with ya by the way. If you took it the wrong way, I apologize.
 

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Jon88;2778632 said:
When you make deals with bad people that's what happens.


You mean like the pro-bowl season he gave us in 2006. Or we're you thinking of the All-Pro season in 2007.
Signing Owens was not a mistake. It actually was one of the better moves Jerry's made and the best FA signing of the 2006 season by any team.

The mistake was resigning him. Or at least resigning him to that large an extension.

Of course as good a move as it was, as much as it did improve the team. I know it will always be portrayed as a mistake for two reasons.

1) We didn't sniff a SB.
2) We ultimately pared company with him when he probably still had some good football left in him.
 

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i personally don't get the love and hype for chris canty. the numbers alone dictate that he is nothing more than avg. (35 tackles and 2.5 sacks per year) that's like 2.5 tackles per game and a sack every 5 weeks.

unless they feel he is much better suited for the 4-3 than the 3-4, but weren't we running the 4-3 when he was drafted by parcells initially and he wasn't to spectacular then either.

i'm on the east coast and the sports talk radio here make the signing of chris canty out to be the greatest thing ever.
 

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Jon88;2778589 said:
I saw this whole TO thing coming when we signed him and was against it from day one. Did everyone expect him to come to Dallas and do a 180?

Make it stop. Can we just talk about players that are on our team. Lets play the quiet game. First one that mentions the player is a rotten egg.

:cool:
 

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I don't think getting rid of TO was a wise decision. There has to be sarcasm behind what mosley is saying.
 

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41gy#;2778984 said:
...If you get physical with him, you can knock him off his route. Furtermore, Owens can't get it cranked up again. He has trouble getting up to full speed or slowed down when you jam him, and once you jam him, he is slow to restart. If you can't beat the corber, you have no shot to beat the safety. Owens was easy prey to the formula that limted his output or ability to dominate a game. Jimmy Johnson is on the record about this aspect of Owen's game. Perhaps, Owens should train with the team trainer and not on his own at this stage in his career.

Owens was a player on the decline, and the offense and the quarterback (Tony Romo) suffered due to his declining output. Owens didn't dominate the good teams, the good teams kept him from being the difference when they watched Charles Woodson, Shawn Springs, and Carolos Rodgers put the clamps on Owens by getting physical with him.

You go farther than I would about the rate of decline in his game (he's still a player the DC has to account for in the game plan), but I essentially agree. It goes back to the old Philly rule that you're better off getting rid of a player a year too soon than you are a year too late.

Curious where/when Jimmy went on record re: Owens. Any idea where I could find a quote/link on what he had to say? I don't remember it.
 

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41gy#;2778984 said:
Mosley thinks Terrel Owens is "still an elite receiver".

Elite receivers don't get put in a bottle or with physical play at the line of scrimmage. Go back and look at Owens' big plays last year. He got them when he was allowed a free release of the line of scrimmage. Either the CB played off too far, or he was put in motion before the play.

Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss... Those players are elite receivers. They can line up and beat press or physical coverage.

The cornerbacks in the NFC East are some of the best in the NFL. A soon to be 36 year old Owens would not have faired any better than he did in 2008, imo. Owens' YPA declined three out of the last four years. The only exception was Owens' 2007 season under Jason Garrett, one of his best seasons. Owens didn't deserve to be a focal point of the offense, especially with his selfish disposition. He's gone for this reason as well. Owens would have never accepted 3-5 targets per game, and as a result, he's gone. It wasn't just his divisive dispositiion and selfishness, it was his declining output on the field that led to his release.

If it wasn't for the 49ers' stupidity of playing him 10 yards off, he may not have cracked 1,000 yards. His 10 TDs were good, but Felix Jones had three last year, and he is capable of scoring at least 10 TDs. Martellus Bennett is a redzone threat. Miles Austin showed he can score TDs when healthy and make some big plays. Roy Williams is a redzone threat, and he can get deep. Owens was expendalbe.

If you take out the 49ers game (and the 49ers were a bad team), Owens has a yardage total in the 800s. What was Mike Singletary thinking? It was dumb football and easy pitch and catch. If you let Owens get cranked up, he can hurt you deep. If you get physical with him, you can knock him off his route. Furtermore, Owens can't get it cranked up again. He has trouble getting up to full speed or slowed down when you jam him, and once you jam him, he is slow to restart. If you can't beat the corber, you have no shot to beat the safety. Owens was easy prey to the formula that limted his output or ability to dominate a game. Jimmy Johnson is on the record about this aspect of Owen's game. Perhaps, Owens should train with the team trainer and not on his own at this stage in his career.

Owens was a player on the decline, and the offense and the quarterback (Tony Romo) suffered due to his declining output. Owens didn't dominate the good teams, the good teams kept him from being the difference when they watched Charles Woodson, Shawn Springs, and Carolos Rodgers put the clamps on Owens by getting physical with him.

I love how the excuse for us not making the playoffs is romo missing 3 games but that has no bearing on TO's production troll moar.
 
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