ESPN Mosley: Vet on the hot seat: Roy Williams

[Dawgs0916]

They won't.

It's completely fair to bash Romo, and compare him to those guys, despite the difference in draft status, but you can't do it to the people they like. It's just not fair to those guys.

I've never compared Romo to anyone, and im not a huge fan of Roy Williams as a football player even though I've met the guy and seems like a good person.

I was stating that comparison is unfair. And it is.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

They play the same position, in the same league, and therefor it's equal in my eyes. I don't care where a guy is drafted because either you can play in this league or you can't.

 

[Doomsday101]

I've never compared Romo to anyone, and im not a huge fan of Roy Williams as a football player even though I've met the guy and seems like a good person.

I was stating that comparison is unfair. And it is.

Is it fair to compare RW with TO when TO was playing for Franchises like SF and Philly while RW was in Det?

 

[RoadRunner]

TO after 5 years:

Games 76
Rec 319
Yards 4748
TD 43

Career average after 5 years
Rec per game 4.19
Yards per game 62.47
TD per game .56
Yards per catch 14.88

RW after 5 years:

Games 70
Rec 281
Yards 4082
TD 30

Career average after 5 years
Rec per game 4.1
Yards per game 58.31
TD per game .42
Yards per catch 14.52

I wan't impressed with what I saw last year, but after looking at his stats I have no choice but to give the guy the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

I mean you don't put up those kind of numbers (very comparable to TOs first five years) and then look like what he did last year in Dallas.

He also put up thos numbers with mostly Harrington at QB (3 years) and Kitna for (2 years). I am in no way willing to write him off at this point.

This is a subject better discussed after the 2009 season.

TO had 38 more catches for 666 yards and 13 TDs. That to me is blowing RW out of the water, and not a good comparison.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Is it fair to compare RW with TO when TO was playing for Franchises like SF and Philly while RW was in Det?

Williams was the focal point in Detroit, while TO was playing behind Rice. And STILL had far superior numbers. He was primarily a special teams player his first year or so while Roy was given the lead dog status right off the bat. I don't care who the QB was. Please.

 

[Dawgs0916]

They play the same position, in the same league, and therefor it's equal in my eyes. I don't care where a guy is drafted because either you can play in this league or you can't.

So it would be fair to compare Manuel Johnson's first five years to Michael Crabtree's. I see. Apologize for my ignorance.

 

[Doomsday101]

Williams was the focal point in Detroit, while TO was playing behind Rice. And STILL had far superior numbers. He was primarily a special teams player his first year or so while Roy was given the lead dog status right off the bat. I don't care who the QB was. Please.

I'm sure you don't care who the QB was, RW played on a very bad Det team while Owens was playing for teams who consistently were making the post season before he got there. I think TO is a good player but it is easier when you have other top players around you.

 

[Clove]

nevermind Romo rarely threw him the ball but Roy is the one on the hot seat.

Dang, I'm so shocked I need to take an extra dose of high blood pressure medicine tonight.

If you're smart Rampage, you will just agree and shut up. This makes you popular, so join forces with me. We are Super Bowl bound baby!!!!

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Dang, I'm so shocked I need to take an extra dose of high blood pressure medicine tonight.

If you're smart Rampage, you will just agree and shut up. This makes you popular, so join forces with me. We are Super Bowl bound baby!!!!

lol, over doing it much??

 

[CATCH17]

I'm sure you don't care who the QB was, RW played on a very bad Det team while Owens was playing for teams who consistently were making the post season before he got there. I think TO is a good player but it is easier when you have other top players around you.

And for some reason people can't figure that out.


IMO where he was at obviously effected his work ethic as well.


But you can't question the guys talent. If he puts in the work he should be a really good player in this offense.


Unless Jason wants to run him 20 yards downfield on every route.

 

[speedkilz88]

So it would be fair to compare Manuel Johnson's first five years to Michael Crabtree's. I see. Apologize for my ignorance.

If Manuel Johnson shows TO type talent... then yes!

 

[Dawgs0916]

I'm sure you don't care who the QB was, RW played on a very bad Det team while Owens was playing for teams who consistently were making the post season before he got there. I think TO is a good player but it is easier when you have other top players around you.

I can understand what your saying about it being easier. But he was the second and third option his first few years in the league. He was mostly a special teams player. My main points are that the expectations were nowhere near the same.

His point was kind of insinuating that Roy Williams is or will be in the same league as Owens, and that is just plain false. But I can respect his optimism.

 

[Rampage]

Dang, I'm so shocked I need to take an extra dose of high blood pressure medicine tonight.

If you're smart Rampage, you will just agree and shut up. This makes you popular, so join forces with me. We are Super Bowl bound baby!!!!

:laugh2: i'm the middle ground inbetween the extreme homers like theogt and the very pissed off people like you and Bach.

 

[speedkilz88]

I can understand what your saying about it being easier. But he was the second and third option his first few years in the league. He was mostly a special teams player. My main points are that the expectations were nowhere near the same.

His point was kind of insinuating that Roy Williams is or will be in the same league as Owens, and that is just plain false. But I can respect his optimism.

1996 TO started 10 games(520 yds), 1997 TO started 16 games(936 yds), 1998 TO started 10 games(1,097 yds). It didn't matter where he was picked, the 49ers knew right away that he was a starting caliber WR.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Why are you purposely ignoring a big part of what I said? Roy Williams was the go to lead dog. TO was a second or third option. As evidenced by only starting 10 games out of 16.

He was behind Rice, and playing with Stokes. Whatever floats your boat though broseph.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why are you purposely ignoring a big part of what I said? Roy Williams was the go to lead dog. TO was a second or third option. As evidenced by only starting 10 games out of 16.

He was behind Rice, and playing with Stokes. Whatever floats your boat though broseph.

So while Rice was getting the double teams TO was getting the one on one matchups in the meantime RW was the go to guy on a bad team. I'm not knocking TO but these are 2 different situations one has a QB like Steve Young and a WR in Rice to learn from and RW has Kitna and what? A bad team going no where fast. As far as I'm concerned RW does have a lot to prove and I think he trying to make the most of it this off season as he knows the doubters are waiting for him to fail.

 

[Dawgs0916]

So while Rice was getting the double teams TO was getting the one on one matchups in the meantime RW was the go to guy on a bad team. I'm not knocking TO but these are 2 different situations one has a QB like Steve Young and a WR in Rice to learn from and RW has Kitna and what? A bad team going no where fast. As far as I'm concerned RW does have a lot to prove and I think he trying to make the most of it this off season as he knows the doubters are waiting for him to fail.

Fair enough, and I agree with that whole statement.

But I stand by my argument that comparing those particular two players in their first five years is unfair.

 

[gbrittain]

So it would be fair to compare Manuel Johnson's first five years to Michael Crabtree's. I see. Apologize for my ignorance.

If the player sees the field then yes it is fair. If Crabtree immediately hits the field and starts 16 games eventhough he does not deserve it and Johnson turns out to be a HOF caliber WR, but barely played the first two years because he was not given a chance then yeah you are onto something.

However, if they are both seeing the field and getting the same amount of playing time then yeah draft status matters not.

In the case of RW and TO they both got roughly equal playing time.

Being drafted higher or lower does not make you catch better, run faster, run better routes or anthing else. It may impact playing time, but in this case it did not.

 

[Dawgs0916]

If the player sees the field then yes it is fair. If Crabtree immediately hits the field and starts 16 games eventhough he does not deserve it and Johnson turns out to be a HOF caliber WR, but barely played the first two years because he was not given a chance then yeah you are onto something.

However, if they are both seeing the field and getting the same amount of playing time then yeah draft status matters not.

In the case of RW and TO they both got roughly equal playing time.

Being drafted higher or lower does not make you catch better, run faster, run better routes or anthing else. It may impact playing time, but in this case it did not.

I was so ready to hop out of this argument then you say that. Geez louise broham...it was already stated TO started only 10 games two of his first three years. He was mostly a special teamer! He caught 30 something balls his first year. Thats Patrick Crayton status.

Roy E. Williams was lead dog the minute he was chosen with the Lions first round pick.

 

[speedkilz88]

I was so ready to hop out of this argument then you say that. Geez louise broham...it was already stated TO started only 10 games two of his first three years. He was mostly a special teamer! He caught 30 something balls his first year. Thats Patrick Crayton status.

Roy E. Williams was lead dog the minute he was chosen with the Lions first round pick.

Roy started 11 games as a rookie and 12 games in his second season.