News: ESPN: NFC East awards: Fletcher Cox, Defensive Player of Year

[Alexander]

Got it. The GMs in the league who routinely make CB one of the 4-5 highest paid positions across the board on defense are still wrong to do so. Because you say so and apparently have never watched the defensive half of an NFL football game. Yeah, I guess that holds up. I'm not sure why you get so much guff for believing that. Legion of Boom, you say? Enough of that. What I want to know is what we're suppose to call that Seattle OG rotation?

Spare me. Or support your argument. But let's just stop pretending that this showboating you're trying to do is supported by what actually happened. Just like everybody else around here, if you want some credibility, do the hard work of actually supporting your own arguments instead of trying to win them by force of personality.

Although I do like the image of you baking cupcakes for gnats, and garnishing them with my understanding of football. For some reason.

GMs overvalue the position because they are lazy.

They react to a "passing league" and feel they better do something.

Even phrases like "you can never have enough CBs" get twisted into overvaluing the position.

Yes. You need three good CBs to survive in this league.

That does not need to mean you elevate them because of the position they play. It happens with QBs, it happens with corners as well, except there is a far less rational reason for it.

This is an awful CB draft. Every pundit or expert will agree.

But watch, there will be CBs jacked up into the premium rounds that had no business being chosen there.

Meanwhile, there will be some productive pass rusher who makes it out of the first, even until the middle rounds, who is there because of "short arms", "lack of quick twitch" or some other nonsense.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I agree. Total beast. I'd trade our entire DL depth chart for him.

Give D Law the same many years as Cox in this league and we will revisit this conversation

 

[theogt]

If he's just okay, then our best DL is a piece of crap.

Well, yeah.

 

[Idgit]

GMs overvalue the position because they are lazy.

They react to a "passing league" and feel they better do something.

Even phrases like "you can never have enough CBs" get twisted into overvaluing the position.

Yes. You need three good CBs to survive in this league.

That does not need to mean you elevate them because of the position they play. It happens with QBs, it happens with corners as well, except there is a far less rational reason for it.

This is an awful CB draft. Every pundit or expert will agree.

But watch, there will be CBs jacked up into the premium rounds that had no business being chosen there.

Meanwhile, there will be some productive pass rusher who makes it out of the first, even until the middle rounds, who is there because of "short arms", "lack of quick twitch" or some other nonsense.

If they're overvaluing CBs, then all of them have been doing it. And not just the current group of 32 GMs and their counterparts, but they've collectively been doing it for a long time in the salary cap era. At some point, you have to recognize that the market is the market and value is what the market bears. I have no doubt you're right that CBs will be taken high in the draft again. But it won't be because they happen to be overvalued by everybody. It'll be because they're hard positions to fill.

And phrases like 'you can never have enough CBs' and 'you have to pressure the QB' become phrases for a reason. The reality is--no matter what anybody wants to pretend--is that offenses are good and will attack any weakness you have on the field defensively. That goes for players in any position or package. You're only as good as your weakest player defensively. Defense is not the same as offense where you can help a weak pass blocker or where you still have to cover a less-skilled WR or where you can run away from a defender you have trouble blocking.

An while there will definitely be a pass rusher or two who develops from this bunch that was overlooked early (there always are), it'll be because the draft is not an exact science and because players actually get better over time with NFL coaching and not because people don't value pass rushers. DEs and DTs who can penetrate are the two positions on defense that consistently get paid more than CBs on the FA market. That tells you what the real talent evaluators think those guys are worth. Like, that big group of millionaires who have all the resources and scouts and who actually know what they're doing.

 

[LatinMind]

Anyone disagree?

i do. Jason Pierre Paul

Better in every stat you can think of. 77 tackles to 61, 12.5 sacks to 4, 3 FF to 1, and 6 pass defensed. JPP had an awsome yr for a bad defense. Its actually amazing the yr he had with the horrible line NY has. Guy was doubled every play you can bet.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think Philly overplayed him. He would get very worn down at the end of halves and ends of games. He shouldn't play more than two series in a row. Take one off and go back in. I don't think it's a matter of effort either. He goes until he is spent but he does spend.

 

[gmoney112]

I think Philly overplayed him. He would get very worn down at the end of halves and ends of games. He shouldn't play more than two series in a row. Take one off and go back in. I don't think it's a matter of effort either. He goes until he is spent but he does spend.

Yeah, guys like that need rest. That's why depth is important. Get 8-10 guys to give 100% every down and you can be successful.

And just for the record, the market dictates value. CB's are at a premium because GM's dictated it so. To argue against the value of CB's would be against arguing against every GM in the National Football League because they established the value. Food for thought.