ESPN: Owens' greatness always subject to debate

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In this installment of Third and Short, our experts examine Terrell Owens. Is the Dallas Cowboys star overrated, as ESPN's Sal Paolantonio recently asserted? Is Owens' image tarnished by his off-the-field antics? When his career is over, will his Hall of Fame chances be hindered if he does not have a Super Bowl ring?


Merril Hoge: Is T.O. overrated, and how does he compare with Randy Moss?


Simply put, Terrell Owens is not overrated. It's easy to try to find fault with the guy because of his off-field persona and past issues with his teammates, but he's a heckuva football player. He's a consistent dynamic presence on the field who has to be accounted for at all times. There is no route that he can't or won't run, and he still has great explosiveness.

Owens is a tough matchup for opposing cornerbacks because he's too big and strong to bump at the line of scrimmage, and he still has the speed to eat up a cornerback's cushion if he gives too much room.

Some say he pales in comparison to Randy Moss, but I disagree. Moss is a great player who definitely has more explosiveness and is a better deep receiver than Owens, but Owens is a more complete receiver. He can run any route in the route tree and on top of that can break any of those routes for a big play. On the other hand, Moss doesn't run slants and curls nearly as much as you'd want a No. 1 receiver to run those routes. He is one-dimensional in the sense that he is predominantly a deep-threat receiver and can be taken away, while Owens is so effective at other aspects of the game that he can't be taken away by opposing defenses.

That's why he's one of the best in the game.


Pat Yasinskas: Do character issues affect how we view Owens' overall talent?

There's no doubt that the perception of Owens is diminished by the circus that surrounds him. Play along for a second and picture the most memorable T.O. moment. I'm guessing it's either an image of Owens doing sit-ups in his driveway for the media or the bizarre news conference after his "accidental overdose."

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Terrell Owens caught 13 touchdowns in 2007, but how much does he have left in the tank?

That's a shame because Owens has tremendous talent and has accomplished a lot. But that gets lost because of all the off-field stuff. Owens is hardly the only wide receiver to be a little flaky. In general, the position is loaded with guys who seem to seek attention and/or controversy. Randy Moss and Chad Johnson jump quickly to mind.

Owens is a better receiver than either of those guys, and he's a Hall of Fame talent. But he won't be viewed that way because all the other stuff is what sticks in your mind when you think of Owens.

But that's not our fault. It's his. If he had carried himself like Jerry Rice, he'd have had a more productive career than he has had and would be thought of in the same vein as Rice.

James Walker: Does winning a Super Bowl matter in terms of a great wide receiver's Hall of Fame chances?

No. Winning isn't everything for wide receivers. There are plenty of Hall of Famers -- including receivers Steve Largent, Charlie Joiner and James Lofton -- whose legacies were not affected by their failure to win a Super Bowl.
A receiver is the final link in the offensive chain, whereas a quarterback controls the game from the outset because he's the lead decision-maker and touches the football on every play. That is why a quarterback's place in history relies more upon victories than any other position.

For all the fuss made over Owens' not being a winner, he holds a 67-30 record (.691 percentage) in regular-season games he's played in since 2001. Any player who wins nearly 70 percent of his games is revered in the NFL. Yet Owens' winning percentage goes unnoticed because of his antics.

Owens also has led teams to the playoffs in nine of his 12 seasons. He caught nine passes for 122 yards in the biggest game of his career: The Philadelphia Eagles 24-21 loss to the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXIX. On the field, at least, that might go down as the defining moment of his career.

The statistics are undeniable: Owens has more receptions (882) and touchdowns (129) than any receiver currently in the Hall of Fame. Former Washington Commanders star Art Monk (940 receptions) will be inducted this summer, and Owens likely will surpass Monk's totals by the end of the 2008 season.

Owens has a decent chance to win a Super Bowl with the Cowboys before he retires. But if he doesn't, his career is still worthy of a trip to Canton.
 

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I LOVE ME SOME ME!;2035552 said:
You dont have to like him but you better respect him. Period.

I like 3. Winning Super Bowl the best.....:starspin
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2035698 said:
Hodge broke it down perfectly... He's a MORE COMPLETE wide receiver than Randy Moss.
I'm glad some people agree with me.
 
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FuzzyLumpkins;2035714 said:
I stopped reading right there. I saw the dude say that DMac and FJones were the same type of back.



Im sure when he said same type of back he meant both were overrated, which is true.
 

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why are they trying to kill my man again, what did he do to deserve all this negative press???
 

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All things considered (trust me that includes a lot!) that wasn't a half bad piece.
 

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Pat Yasinskas;2035548 said:
Owens is a better receiver than either of those guys, and he's a Hall of Fame talent. But he won't be viewed that way because all the other stuff is what sticks in your mind when you think of Owens.

But that's not our fault. It's his. If he had carried himself like Jerry Rice, he'd have had a more productive career than he has had and would be thought of in the same vein as Rice.
Every word of this passage is undisputable fact.
 

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DallasEast;2035768 said:
Every word of this passage is undisputable fact.


If he is going into the Hall because of his number then nothing else matters.
Most all WR's are drama diva's.
 

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Sarge;2035905 said:
ESPN says something good about the guy and you're pissin' on em'????

:confused:
Probably saw it was from ESPN and didn't bother to read it.
 

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big dog cowboy;2035908 said:
Probably saw it was from ESPN and didn't bother to read it.

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YoMick;2035836 said:
If he is going into the Hall because of his number then nothing else matters.
With his numbers, he will go in the Hall of Fame. Who said he wouldn't? However, what I quoted is undeniable. His numbers alone should make him a first-ballot inductee. How much do you want to bet that he will be, in fact, enshrined during his first year of eligibility? Second question: There might be several factors considered, but what do you believe will be the Board of Selectors' main motivation of not doing so? ~ Hint: the answer is embedded in the passage I quoted earlier. ~
Most all WR's are drama diva's.
True. Malcolm Kelly is the latest example of a daytime soap analogy. Even though I will acknowledge that he's toned down his act during the past couple of seasons, Owens has previously lived in rarified air amongst your very own example. However, I am perfectly willing to change my stance when ________________ (fill in the blank with a receiver's name) runs out into the middle of a National Football League stadium and vogues like Madonna. :)

Scratch that. Let's change that to I'm willing to agree when it's reported that any player, among the hundreds of thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high and/or peewee players, decided to run into the middle of any field and struck a pose which would made the Material Girl proud. Hey. In this day and age, it could happen. ;)
 

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DallasEast;2035939 said:
With his numbers, he will go in the Hall of Fame. Who said he wouldn't? However, what I quoted is undeniable. His numbers alone should make him a first-ballot inductee. How much do you want to bet that he will be, in fact, enshrined during his first year of eligibility? Second question: There might be several factors considered, but what do you believe will be the Board of Selectors' main motivation of not doing so? ~ Hint: the answer is embedded in the passage I quoted earlier. ~
True. Malcolm Kelly is the latest example of a daytime soap analogy. Even though I will acknowledge that he's toned down his act during the past couple of seasons, Owens has previously lived in rarified air amongst your very own example. However, I am perfectly willing to change my stance when ________________ (fill in the blank with a receiver's name) runs out into the middle of a National Football League stadium and vogues like Madonna. :)

Scratch that. Let's change that to I'm willing to agree when it's reported that any player, among the hundreds of thousands of NFL, college, high school, junior high and/or peewee players, decided to run into the middle of any field and struck a pose which would made the Material Girl proud. Hey. In this day and age, it could happen. ;)


Part of the passage you quoted "But he won't be viewed that way because all the other stuff is what sticks in your mind when you think of Owens."

Why? or better question... why should anything else matter? The Hall is about numbers or atleast it should be. Some Hall members have been a given a pass on their attitude and are remembered strictly cause the numbers.

I dont know why you went on with that diatribe. It was pretty obvious what I meant.

Where I disagree is... the perception of his persona should have nothing to do with the Hall and numbers. Thats all chief.
 

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YoMick;2036118 said:
Part of the passage you quoted "But he won't be viewed that way because all the other stuff is what sticks in your mind when you think of Owens."

Why? or better question... why should anything else matter? The Hall is about numbers or atleast it should be. Some Hall members have been a given a pass on their attitude and are remembered strictly cause the numbers.
Why?

Why should anything else matter?

Simple. Computers loaded with stats don't induct players. People do and human beings like the Selectors allow their conclusions to be based on more than just statistics.
YoMick;2036118 said:
I dont know why you went on with that diatribe. It was pretty obvious what I meant.
Hey. You replied to me. I replied back.
YoMick;2036118 said:
Where I disagree is... the perception of his persona should have nothing to do with the Hall and numbers. Thats all chief.
Chief. :)

Your opinion on his persona and his numbers may be overwhelming shared by the Selectors. It may not. We'll all see for ourselves in a few years following Owens' retirement.
 

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I'll admit that I didn't like T.O. when he was whining and crying in S.F. and Philly.....but, he really hasn't done any of that here.

Time will tell. If he stays like he has these past two years, that would be 3 straight years of no problems with him.

Has he changed? I don't know....you know....the zebra and all that.

But, I don't mind him being on the team and it is precisely because of his attitude since he's been here.
 
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