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Upshaw: Link to probe not enough for suspension


Upshaw doesn't want steroid 'witch hunt' in NFL

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If NFL players' names emerge from the online pharmacy steroid case, Gene Upshaw told The Charlotte Observer that he won't endorse suspensions unless the players test positive for a banned substance.



"WADA can say whatever they like; the players in the NFL have both a union and a collective bargaining agreement."

-- Gene Upshaw in an e-mail to Charlotte Observer

"We are not going to get into a witch hunt," Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director, told the newspaper in an e-mail.


Upshaw was responding to World Anti-Doping Agency chairman Dick Pound's assertion that the NFL should "absolutely" discipline any players who are linked to the case if the evidence is reliable, regardless of test results.


"We will not let WADA determine how we operate our program," Upshaw said in the e-mail to The Observer. "We discipline only for a positive test.


"WADA can say whatever they like; the players in the NFL have both a union and a collective bargaining agreement."


Pound fired back at Upshaw in an e-mail to the Observer.


"If he wanted his sport and the NFL to be drug-free, he would not say that," Pound said in the e-mail to the newspaper. "It's an either-or situation: Either he wants drug-free football or he does not."


NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Observer that the NFL "will consider evidence outside of" test results for suspensions.


However, the league and the players' association would have to agree to changes to the drug policy before the league could discipline players without positive test results or convictions or admission of guilt of NFL players.
 

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Why this joker, Upshaw, got an extension is beyond words!

:confused:
 

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Upshaw is just as big a problem as the guys taking the roids. He needs to go.
 

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Yeagermeister;1435332 said:
Upshaw is just as big a problem as the guys taking the roids. He needs to go.


They got rid of Tags...now it's time to get rid of Upshaw!

I bet Upshaw owns that "love boat" company that the Vikes were caught on with all them sweet hookers!

Pathetic...he needs to roll...time to move on into the 21st Century and get rid of clowns like him!
 

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Some of you folks. I just don't understand your problem. The CBA says positive test. Upshaw's job is to make sure that agreement is held. If the league was so damn concerned then put it in the freaking CBA. Some of you just want an excuse to bash Upshaw.
 

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abersonc;1435341 said:
Some of you folks. I just don't understand your problem. The CBA says positive test. Upshaw's job is to make sure that agreement is held. If the league was so damn concerned then put it in the freaking CBA. Some of you just want an excuse to bash Upshaw.

So the fact he doesn't care if the players do roids but only that they get caught doesn't bother you?
 

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abersonc;1435341 said:
Some of you folks. I just don't understand your problem. The CBA says positive test. Upshaw's job is to make sure that agreement is held. If the league was so damn concerned then put it in the freaking CBA. Some of you just want an excuse to bash Upshaw.


No, you have a valid point. However, although it's not in writing as of now, he still should be open to the idea that there are players that get away with doing roids...that is the point. Just because it's not in the CBA should not mean that he can turn a blind eye to the problem...

If anything, Upshaw should immediately ammend the CBA...that is his job.
 

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He probably is aware of how rampant the abuse is, like a quarter of the league might face punishment and Upshaw would look bad, he may also get some money under the table for all we know, this is why unions suck.
 

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5Stars;1435355 said:
No, you have a valid point. However, although it's not in writing as of now, he still should be open to the idea that there are players that get away with doing roids...that is the point. Just because it's not in the CBA should not mean that he can turn a blind eye to the problem...

If anything, Upshaw should immediately ammend the CBA...that is his job.

No he shouldn't ammend crap. This is a point of negotiation pure and simple. The league wants this? They have to give something up. Period. That's how CBAs work. You NEVER give anything up for nothing in return.
 

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Aikbach;1435358 said:
He probably is aware of how rampant the abuse is, like a quarter of the league might face punishment and Upshaw would look bad, he may also get some money under the table for all we know, this is why unions suck.


Good point...!

Now, the money under the table thing is a little far fetched...however?

;)
 

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5Stars;1435362 said:
Good point...!

Now, the money under the table thing is a little far fetched...however?

;)
Not really, it can be done in legal means such as "gifts" or "consultant" transactions, lobbyists in the business world do such all the time.

If the players union is anything like the unions here in Hollywood it is ripe with corruption.
 

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abersonc;1435361 said:
No he shouldn't ammend crap. This is a point of negotiation pure and simple. The league wants this? They have to give something up. Period. That's how CBAs work. You NEVER give anything up for nothing in return.


If it's detremental to the health of a player...yes, you give it up! Why shouldn't you?

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Yeagermeister;1435351 said:
So the fact he doesn't care if the players do roids but only that they get caught doesn't bother you?
The article never stated or implied that Upshaw doesn't care if players do roids. It only stated that will only recommend sanctions where they are legally allowed. He can (and probably does) believe that taking steroids is wrong, while also maintaining the belief that punishment should only be handed down where it is legally allowed.
 

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Aikbach;1435358 said:
He probably is aware of how rampant the abuse is, like a quarter of the league might face punishment and Upshaw would look bad, he may also get some money under the table for all we know, this is why unions suck.

So a quarter of the league is using yet only a handful get caught using a testing system that is regarded as both reliable and valid?
 

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abersonc;1435361 said:
No he shouldn't ammend crap. This is a point of negotiation pure and simple. The league wants this? They have to give something up. Period. That's how CBAs work. You NEVER give anything up for nothing in return.
Does anybody think the owners want to deal with this issue either?
 

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5Stars;1435365 said:
If it's detremental to the health of a player...yes, you give it up! Why shouldn't you?

:confused:

Many surgeries are detrimental to a player's long term health. Are you going to ban arthroscopic procedures that get the player back on the field while sacrificing functioning later in life?
 

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abersonc;1435369 said:
So a quarter of the league is using yet only a handful get caught using a testing system that is regarded as both reliable and valid?
Don't the players know exactly what date the test is given?
 

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jimmy40;1435372 said:
Does anybody think the owners want to deal with this issue either?

Yep. It takes two to collectively bargain.
 

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Upshaw may not be the most eloquent of men, but I think the point he's making is that they have a system that is used to test for drugs and if that system is to be modified, then it needs to be done through negotiation between the league and the players union. That's why the CBA is in place.

I didn't take him to mean that he didn't care if their were abusers, just that they have a system in place and the players he represent have to approve any changes regarding the policy.
 

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abersonc;1435375 said:
Many surgeries are detrimental to a player's long term health. Are you going to ban arthroscopic procedures that get the player back on the field while sacrificing functioning later in life?
That is a player's decision and not a team's.

There is a rule in the books against steroid use and not one against draining your knees or fusing your vertebrae.

You assume a risk to play pro ball but you do so by the rules or face consequences.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should use them, the US could use nukes on every enemy she has but just because she can doesn't mean she should or will.
 
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