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Who is the best defensive player in NFL history?


John Clayton: Lawrence Taylor
Though this might be a disservice to some of the defensive greats prior to 1981, Lawrence Taylor is the best defender in the history of the league. Clearly, he is the best I've seen in 35 years of covering football. Taylor changed the game. He was a college defensive end who had the speed and explosion to rush from the linebacker position. His skills allowed the Giants to use a 3-4 scheme and showed coaches how a great pass-rusher can be used with his hands off the ground. Many players dominated the game from the defensive side of the ball, but few changed the game. Taylor ushered in a new era of defense to combat Bill Walsh's fast-paced West Coast offense.

Jeremy Green: Taylor
The best defensive player of all time was the original "LT," Lawrence Taylor. Not only is he the greatest defensive player, you could make a case for him being the best player ever on either side of the football. Taylor is the only player in NFL history to win three NFL defensive player of the year awards. He is also only one of a handful of defensive players to be named the league's most valuable player.

LT changed the way the game was played at the outside linebacker position. He was a phenomenal stand-up pass-rusher who could not be single-blocked. He showed excellent speed off the edge and an unmatched closing burst once he turned the corner. He had an excellent motor and showed a great desire to get to the quarterback.

There have been a lot of great defensive players over time, but LT is the best I have ever seen. I would be surprised to see anyone ever take that title away from him too, because they just don't make players like him anymore.

Merril Hoge: Mel Blount and Taylor
If I used the criteria of changing the game because of physical dominance then the pick would have to be former Steelers cornerback Mel Blount. Name one corner today who is 6-3 or 6-4 and 220 pounds. That was Blount, though. When he got his hands on receivers they were erased from the game. He was an amazing physical specimen who just dominated physically. If I use the criteria of which player caused the opposing team to be consumed with stopping him, then it's Taylor. He demanded everyone's attention on the opposing squad and he was still unstoppable. It didn't matter what type of game plan you drew up, it didn't work

Len Pasquarelli: Deacon Jones
Lawrence Taylor may be the player who elevated the public's consciousness on the importance of the sack, but it was the game's greatest defender, former Los Angeles Rams end Deacon Jones, who essentially invented it. He not only got after passers at a time when sacks weren't a recognized statistic -- the league didn't start counting them until the 1982 season -- but he actually coined the term sack. Jones claimed to have registered 180½ career sacks. Football historians have pretty much settled on 173½ as a more documented number. That includes 26 sacks in 1967 and 24 in 1968. An eight-time Pro Bowl performer and two-time defensive player of the year, Jones was such a dominant player that he forced the league to outlaw the "head slap," his favorite pass-rush move. And he owned the nickname "Minister of Defense" long before anyone attached it to Reggie White, another guy who belongs on the short list of greatest defender candidates. Jones' last NFL game was in 1974, so two generations of current fans never saw him play. Too bad, because he was a devastating, one-of-a-kind force.

Joe Theismann: Taylor
I don't want to sound like a homer for saying this, but Taylor has to be considered the greatest ever for three reasons. One, no defensive player has ever had an impact on the game the way he did. Teams simply didn't know how to stop him because he was too big and too fast for opposing blockers. Second, there aren't many other defensive players who inspired their teammates to be better the way LT did. His offensive teammates didn't want to come to the sideline after a three-and-out series because they knew they had let him down. The final reason is probably the biggest. Ever since LT stepped onto the field, every general manager in the NFL has tried to find a linebacker in the same league as him. While there have been some guys who have had amazing seasons or great runs for two or three seasons, none has sustained that level of greatness over the course of his career like LT.

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Joe Theismann: Taylor
I don't want to sound like a homer for saying this, but Taylor has to be considered the greatest ever for three reasons. One, no defensive player has ever had an impact on the game the way he did. Teams simply didn't know how to stop him because he was too big and too fast for opposing blockers. Second, there aren't many other defensive players who inspired their teammates to be better the way LT did. His offensive teammates didn't want to come to the sideline after a three-and-out series because they knew they had let him down. The final reason is probably the biggest. Ever since LT stepped onto the field, every general manager in the NFL has tried to find a linebacker in the same league as him. While there have been some guys who have had amazing seasons or great runs for two or three seasons, none has sustained that level of greatness over the course of his career like LT.

The fourth, and probably most signifigant factor in this decision:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i_bJv_0z-k

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:( as much as I hate him, if you let me pick any player in their prime to start a franchise with on the defensive side Im probably taking Ray Lewis. I feel dirty.
 

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Twyst;1446599 said:
:( as much as I hate him, if you let me pick any player in their prime to start a franchise with on the defensive side Im probably taking Ray Lewis. I feel dirty.

why? im right with you, Ray lewis is a hell of a defensive player, it would be a coin toss between Ray Ray and LT to start my Defensive Franchise on
 

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the kid 05;1446804 said:
why? im right with you, Ray lewis is a hell of a defensive player, it would be a coin toss between Ray Ray and LT to start my Defensive Franchise on

No even close. LT hands down, Ray is good, i put him in the same category as Singletary and Butkus, but LT was just a monster....
 

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Its interesting how there is really not a lot of debate on this subject.

You pretty much have LT and then just a few other guys.

Its not like who is the best RB or QB or WR in history. Heck, even with offensive lineman you could probably argue for at least 10 different guys.

That says quite a lot about LT.

And I don't think the other 3 or 4 guys mentioned are even close. Mel Blount was a great player but saying he is the best all time defensive player is silly.
 

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Larry Brown, just kidding.

I'm going to be a homer and go with my fellow Baylor Bear Mike Singletary.

Next I'll say Randy White and Mel Renfro.

Followed by Lawrence Taylor and Joe Greene.

Rounded off by Bob Lilly and Bruce Smith.
 

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The greatest Cowboy players are:

DE: Larry Cole, Harvey Martin, Ed Jones, Jim Jeffcoat, Charles Haley, Tony Tolbert, Greg Ellis.

DT:Randy White, Bob Lilly, Jethro Pugh, George Andre, Russell Maryland, Leon Lett, Chad hennings.

OLB: Chuck Howley, Thomas Henderson, DD Lewis, Bob Brueing, Dexter Coakley.

ILB: LeeRoy Jordan, Ken Norton Jr., Dat Nguyen.

CB: Herb Adderly, Cornell Green, Mel Renfro, Everson Walls, Deion Sanders, Terence Newman.

S: Cliff Harris, Charlie Waters, Dennis Thurman, Thomas Everett, Darren Woodson, Brock Marion, Roy Williams.

Defensive Coordinators: Ernie Stautner, Dave Wannstedt, Butch Davis, Dave Campo.
 

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Lawrence Taylor in a runaway. The greatest defensive player ever, and 2nd only to Jerry Rice as the best ever period.
 

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Hostile;1446850 said:
Lawrence Taylor in a runaway. The greatest defensive player ever, and 2nd only to Jerry Rice as the best ever period.


Right there with ya bro.

Taylor is easily the best defensive player to ever step foot on the field. Ray Lewis even in his prime was not nearly as dominant as Taylor. Singletary, Deion, Lott, Ditka, etc.., dont even come close.

And Rice, as much as we hate him was clearly the best that ever played the game. There was never another player as dominant at his position, or on his side of the ball as Rice. Simply amazing.

HH31's post was just ignorant BTW.
 

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Aikbach;1446846 said:
The greatest Cowboy players are:

DE: Larry Cole, Harvey Martin, Ed Jones, Jim Jeffcoat, Charles Haley, Tony Tolbert, Greg Ellis.

DT:Randy White, Bob Lilly, Jethro Pugh, George Andre, Russell Maryland, Leon Lett, Chad hennings.

OLB: Chuck Howley, Thomas Henderson, DD Lewis, Bob Brueing, Dexter Coakley.

ILB: LeeRoy Jordan, Ken Norton Jr., Dat Nguyen.

CB: Herb Adderly, Cornell Green, Mel Renfro, Everson Walls, Deion Sanders, Terence Newman.

S: Cliff Harris, Charlie Waters, Dennis Thurman, Thomas Everett, Darren Woodson, Brock Marion, Roy Williams.

Defensive Coordinators: Ernie Stautner, Dave Wannstedt, Butch Davis, Dave Campo.

Nice list but George Andrie was a DE. Bob Breunig was an MLB, he was the anchor of the defense after Jordan retired.

Also I would add Dave Edwards and Mike Hegman to your OLB list and Eugene Lockhart to the MLBs. How could you forget a guy whose nickname was "The Hittin Machine"?
 

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Ray Lewis IMO, LT and a bunch of other guys are all awesome players and dominant players but I just can't honestly pick anyone over Ray Lewis.
 
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Q_the_man;1446838 said:
No even close. LT hands down, Ray is good, i put him in the same category as Singletary and Butkus, but LT was just a monster....

singletary, taylor, etc were all-timers, no question.

however, they are modern players.

there are people all over this board who do not know who ray nitsche or bob lilly were.

as a cowboy fan since the mid-60s, i build my defense around bob lilly, no one else.
 

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Too many young pups here that never saw the greats like Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen, Bob Lilly; or Dick Butkus in his prime. I was lucky to see some of them, but I was not lucky enough to be old enough to see them in their primes. I have talked to some older people over the years who were lucky enough to see them and Taylor; they readily admit he was great, but none of them think he had any kind of a clear edge on those greats.
 

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gazmc_06;1446860 said:
Ray Lewis IMO, LT and a bunch of other guys are all awesome players and dominant players but I just can't honestly pick anyone over Ray Lewis.
I see it exactly opposite as you. Ray Lewis and a bunch of other guys trailing LT, the greatest of all time.

Did you get the opportunity to watch both LT and Ray Lewis in their prime? I ask because a lot of times I can't appreciate the greatness of players because I was too young when they played, or I never saw them for myself.
 

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Taylor.

The guy was Awesome!

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