EVERY player on the field gets beat time to time:

[smarta5150]

The defensive secondary is taking the blunt of the blame after this weeks performance against the Pats, understandable.

But it continues to snowball into knee-jerk reactions by those constantly throwing Roy Williams under the bus.

Its goes farther now with the "Trade" and "Draft" threads popping up speaking of getting new Corner Backs.

2 things you posters need to know:

#1. Did you really expect us to shut down the Patriot offense? If so you obviously haven't paid ANY attention to the high level of play by their offense AND you didn't know our #2 CB Anthony Henry (league leader in interceptions) was not playing, leaving Jones to be our #3.

#2. Probably the most important point you need to understand. Every single game every single player on the field will get beat at some point. The difference from position to position and the results are very different however.

Offensive Line - Missed block - TFL or sack - Can be game changing but often not.

Running Backs - Missed block (same as above) or a poor run (missed a hole, missed a cut, didn't break a weak tackle etc) - Same as above.

QB - Many mistakes (Turnovers, bad pass, etc.) - Can live and die by the QB, I understand this, we understand this.

Defensive Line - Missed tackle - Big Deal, they have many levels of defenders behind them to help clean up their mistake. The D-Line at times gets lost in the action. Bodies of confusion make it hard to see who actually made a play and who actually messed up.

Linebackers - Missed tackles and blown coverage - Similar to above. Agian, another level behind them (Safeties and Corner Backs)

Secondary (Arguably the hardest position on the field) - Missed tackles, blown coverages - Unfortunately for these guys they don't have that extra level of defense behind them. They are on an ISLAND. They get beat and the result is typically a 1st down or worse, a TD.


If anyone gets the urge to attack a player for a mistake take this into consideration. There are numerous "mistakes" being made on the field from all positions, unfortunately for the secondary, the results are big plays.

So if a defensive back has a great game all around but makes that 1, costly, mistake he gets the blame for a loss when there are players making many more than just a single mistake and not getting any of the blame.

 

[ringmaster]

Best post of the day.

The defensive secondary is taking the blunt of the blame after this weeks performance against the Pats, understandable.

But it continues to snowball into knee-jerk reactions by those constantly throwing Roy Williams under the bus.

Its goes farther now with the "Trade" and "Draft" threads popping up speaking of getting new Corner Backs.

2 things you posters need to know:

#1. Did you really expect us to shut down the Patriot offense? If so you obviously haven't paid ANY attention to the high level of play by their offense AND you didn't know our #2 CB Anthony Henry (league leader in interceptions) was not playing, leaving Jones to be our #3.

#2. Probably the most important point you need to understand. Every single game every single player on the field will get beat at some point. The difference from position to position and the results are very different however.

Offensive Line - Missed block - TFL or sack - Can be game changing but often not.

Running Backs - Missed block (same as above) or a poor run (missed a hole, missed a cut, didn't break a weak tackle etc) - Same as above.

QB - Many mistakes (Turnovers, bad pass, etc.) - Can live and die by the QB, I understand this, we understand this.

Defensive Line - Missed tackle - Big Deal, they have many levels of defenders behind them to help clean up their mistake. The D-Line at times gets lost in the action. Bodies of confusion make it hard to see who actually made a play and who actually messed up.

Linebackers - Missed tackles and blown coverage - Similar to above. Agian, another level behind them (Safeties and Corner Backs)

Secondary (Arguably the hardest position on the field) - Missed tackles, blown coverages - Unfortunately for these guys they don't have that extra level of defense behind them. They are on an ISLAND. They get beat and the result is typically a 1st down or worse, a TD.


If anyone gets the urge to attack a player for a mistake take this into consideration. There are numerous "mistakes" being made on the field from all positions, unfortunately for the secondary, the results are big plays.

So if a defensive back has a great game all around but makes that 1, costly, mistake he gets the blame for a loss when there are players making many more than just a single mistake and not getting any of the blame.

 

[zrinkill]

The defensive secondary is taking the blunt of the blame after this weeks performance against the Pats, understandable.

But it continues to snowball into knee-jerk reactions by those constantly throwing Roy Williams under the bus.

Its goes farther now with the "Trade" and "Draft" threads popping up speaking of getting new Corner Backs.

2 things you posters need to know:

#1. Did you really expect us to shut down the Patriot offense? If so you obviously haven't paid ANY attention to the high level of play by their offense AND you didn't know our #2 CB Anthony Henry (league leader in interceptions) was not playing, leaving Jones to be our #3.

#2. Probably the most important point you need to understand. Every single game every single player on the field will get beat at some point. The difference from position to position and the results are very different however.

Offensive Line - Missed block - TFL or sack - Can be game changing but often not.

Running Backs - Missed block (same as above) or a poor run (missed a hole, missed a cut, didn't break a weak tackle etc) - Same as above.

QB - Many mistakes (Turnovers, bad pass, etc.) - Can live and die by the QB, I understand this, we understand this.

Defensive Line - Missed tackle - Big Deal, they have many levels of defenders behind them to help clean up their mistake. The D-Line at times gets lost in the action. Bodies of confusion make it hard to see who actually made a play and who actually messed up.

Linebackers - Missed tackles and blown coverage - Similar to above. Agian, another level behind them (Safeties and Corner Backs)

Secondary (Arguably the hardest position on the field) - Missed tackles, blown coverages - Unfortunately for these guys they don't have that extra level of defense behind them. They are on an ISLAND. They get beat and the result is typically a 1st down or worse, a TD.


If anyone gets the urge to attack a player for a mistake take this into consideration. There are numerous "mistakes" being made on the field from all positions, unfortunately for the secondary, the results are big plays.

So if a defensive back has a great game all around but makes that 1, costly, mistake he gets the blame for a loss when there are players making many more than just a single mistake and not getting any of the blame.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, I'm definately seeing a lot of overreaction from people about our defense.

Let it play out a bit more and get Henry back (and Nate Jones back on the bench) before we say the secondary sucks.

Nobody is going to be very effective stopping the Patriots this year. I said that back in April when they got Moss.

 

[superpunk]

What a monumental waste of your own time. I happen to know for a fact that not only do Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu never get beat, they are also capable of ending world hunger and baby rashes, if they so desired.

Honestly, people just look at the Boys in a vacuum. Some players get magnified even more inside that vacuum - and if they screw up, it is the end of the world, because people are just WAITING for them to screw up. I can't explain the phenomenal thrill of being able to say "I told ya so." it just is. And so, you can scream at the top of your lungs begging people to stop viewing Roy, or Henry, or Ware in a vacuum, but there's nothing you can do. All their mistakes are magnified, while their successes are minimized. We had 1800 threads on why we should have drafted Shawne Merriman last year. This year, Ware is a sack and a half off the league lead (trailing a guy who got 6 in ONE GAME), and there aren't nearly as many threads praising his accomplishment.

People love to *****. People NEED to *****.

Let em *****.

 

[adbutcher]

The defensive secondary is taking the blunt of the blame after this weeks performance against the Pats, understandable.

But it continues to snowball into knee-jerk reactions by those constantly throwing Roy Williams under the bus.

Its goes farther now with the "Trade" and "Draft" threads popping up speaking of getting new Corner Backs.

2 things you posters need to know:

#1. Did you really expect us to shut down the Patriot offense? If so you obviously haven't paid ANY attention to the high level of play by their offense AND you didn't know our #2 CB Anthony Henry (league leader in interceptions) was not playing, leaving Jones to be our #3.

#2. Probably the most important point you need to understand. Every single game every single player on the field will get beat at some point. The difference from position to position and the results are very different however.

Offensive Line - Missed block - TFL or sack - Can be game changing but often not.

Running Backs - Missed block (same as above) or a poor run (missed a hole, missed a cut, didn't break a weak tackle etc) - Same as above.

QB - Many mistakes (Turnovers, bad pass, etc.) - Can live and die by the QB, I understand this, we understand this.

Defensive Line - Missed tackle - Big Deal, they have many levels of defenders behind them to help clean up their mistake. The D-Line at times gets lost in the action. Bodies of confusion make it hard to see who actually made a play and who actually messed up.

Linebackers - Missed tackles and blown coverage - Similar to above. Agian, another level behind them (Safeties and Corner Backs)

Secondary (Arguably the hardest position on the field) - Missed tackles, blown coverages - Unfortunately for these guys they don't have that extra level of defense behind them. They are on an ISLAND. They get beat and the result is typically a 1st down or worse, a TD.


If anyone gets the urge to attack a player for a mistake take this into consideration. There are numerous "mistakes" being made on the field from all positions, unfortunately for the secondary, the results are big plays.

So if a defensive back has a great game all around but makes that 1, costly, mistake he gets the blame for a loss when there are players making many more than just a single mistake and not getting any of the blame.

 

[smarta5150]

Can you tell I played defensive back in High School?

Seriously... I used to bust the rest of the defense saying, "Don't worry, you miss the tackle I got your back."

Who had my back?

 

[ringmaster]

What a monumental waste of your own time. I happen to know for a fact that not only do Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu never get beat, they are also capable of ending world hunger and baby rashes, if they so desired.

Honestly, people just look at the Boys in a vacuum. Some players get magnified even more inside that vacuum - and if they screw up, it is the end of the world, because people are just WAITING for them to screw up. I can't explain the phenomenal thrill of being able to say "I told ya so." it just is. And so, you can scream at the top of your lungs begging people to stop viewing Roy, or Henry, or Ware in a vacuum, but there's nothing you can do. All their mistakes are magnified, while their successes are minimized. We had 1800 threads on why we should have drafted Shawne Merriman last year. This year, Ware is a sack and a half off the league lead (trailing a guy who got in ONE GAME), and there aren't nearly as many threads praising his accomplishment.

People love to *****. People NEED to *****.

Let em *****.

BTW, how many Merriman posts did you see so far this season.

If most of these fans thought we were going to slow down the Pats offense, then they were drinking too much vodka, and orange juice the day before the game.

Not even with a healthy secondary we would've not stopped New England on offense but yet you had some fans expecting a short handed secondary to stop them so let them ***** right on as you say.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Shhhhhh. Someone might here you talking sense. Good post.

 

[03EBZ06]

Yup, every player, even the greatest ever gets beat, makes a bad decision, or doesn't make the plays.

No player is perfect.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I have read it here recently, and it is no surprise, but the best way to stop the NE offense, is by keeping our offense on the field longer.

Ball control, short passes, runs, etc.

Blaming our defense is pretty convenient, but not totally accurate.

Beat the Vikings !! :vikings: :vikings:

 

[smarta5150]

I guess the haters have selective reading.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Good post and we all do need to remember that the other team is trying as hard to beat us as we are trying to stop them.

But the fact remains there are good secondaries in the league and there are bad secondaries. The fact is our secondary is weak, (particularly the safties in coverage) and has been weak for several years. There is a level of championship defense and we haven't played it for a number of years.

3rd down conversion rate is one of the best indicators of how strong your defense is relative to the rest of the league. Our inabilty to stop 3rd down conversions against teams with a quality passing game didn't just start this past Sunday against the mighty Patriots and Wes Welker.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I have read it here recently, and it is no surprise, but the best way to stop the NE offense, is by keeping our offense on the field longer.

Ball control, short passes, runs, etc.

Blaming our defense is pretty convenient, but not totally accurate.

Beat the Vikings !! :vikings: :vikings:

I agree, but Sunday it started from the first drive of the game with a 3rd and 16 and the Pats picked up about 18. It never stopped from there so it's hard to blame the offense. If your team can't stop a 3rd and 16 the very first drive you have problems.

 

[Doomsday]

LOL, I love the post that show up every week about how people are overreacting to the piss poor play of the secondary. THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING LIT UP FOR 3 YEARS NOW, this is not a one game thing. The only difference between the NYG/NE games and the other games is NE and NY had QBs capable of getting the football to their WRs. Every game this year there has been WR running free in the secondary.

Dallas has been giving up over 220 yards per game in the air over the last 2 seasons, its not an abberation.

 

[Rack]

It's funny cuz yet another moronic Roy "bashing" thread was started after a game in which he really didn't play badly.

Aside from Newman, Roy was our best coverman vs the Pats.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I understand that...and I have NEVER joined the Roy Williams bashing threads..but something from this game stuck out to me..and especially after Terrance Newman confirmed it...Roy makes way too many mental errors...which either means he has lost his confidence or his desire to play football. And if he does not get that back we HAVE to do something.

 

[Hostile]

What a monumental waste of your own time. I happen to know for a fact that not only do Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu never get beat, they are also capable of ending world hunger and baby rashes, if they so desired.

Honestly, people just look at the Boys in a vacuum. Some players get magnified even more inside that vacuum - and if they screw up, it is the end of the world, because people are just WAITING for them to screw up. I can't explain the phenomenal thrill of being able to say "I told ya so." it just is. And so, you can scream at the top of your lungs begging people to stop viewing Roy, or Henry, or Ware in a vacuum, but there's nothing you can do. All their mistakes are magnified, while their successes are minimized. We had 1800 threads on why we should have drafted Shawne Merriman last year. This year, Ware is a sack and a half off the league lead (trailing a guy who got 6 in ONE GAME), and there aren't nearly as many threads praising his accomplishment.

People love to *****. People NEED to *****.

Let em *****.

This is so true. Their personal coach is Chuck Norris.

 

[Hostile]

It's funny cuz yet another moronic Roy "bashing" thread was started after a game in which he really didn't play badly.

Aside from Newman, Roy was our best coverman vs the Pats.

Thank you Rack!!!

Couldn't agree more.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I understand that...and I have NEVER joined the Roy Williams bashing threads..but something from this game stuck out to me..and especially after Terrance Newman confirmed it...Roy makes way too many mental errors...which either means he has lost his confidence or his desire to play football. And if he does not get that back we HAVE to do something.

I don't disagree with your point. I've often wondered how hard Roy works each week on the mental part of the game. If you recall, he's the guy who said, after he was drafted, that he only wanted to play 8 years. Does that sound like a guy who is going to work his butt off each week to prepare?

Newman has hinted several times that we have guys who aren't playing up to their talk and their reputation. When I read his comments after Sunday's game I thought about what he said last year. I really like Newman. I think he is the real leader of our defense.