Everyone wants to move Henry to FS But..

[Cowboy4ever]

Every one wants to move Henry to FS, but that will not prevent teams from isolating TE and deep routes on RW side of the ball, thus his struggles will continue.. so here would be my plan to bring RW down close the line on every play, and remove him from coverage other than flat responsibility.

I would go to what is basically a 4-2-5.

DT- Fergy and Canty
DE –Ware and Hatcher
Sam- Akin A
Will- Bobby Carpenter
FS-Watkins
SS Henry
CB-Newman
CB- 1st round draft choice
Rover- Williams.

DL Rotation- Ratliff, Spears, Stanley
DE Rotation- Bowman, 2nd rd draft choice, Coleman, Glymph
LB Rotation- Burnett, Fowler, James
FS Rotation- Parrish
SS-Rotation- Elam, Davis
Rover- Davis

That’s 24 Defensive players on the Roster. Depending on the comfort level with the DE rotation, we might not draft one, leaving 23 Defensive players. Which would leave 27 spots for offense and 3 spots for Special teams. K, P, LS.


Moving Roy closer to the line and let him support the run, is his strong suit, it would also be able to manage the flats and blitz more effectively. He would be able to rely on his instincts instead of his ability to read the offensive and get in the right position to take away the deep routes. It also lets us have two safeties that can cover the field and get deep. With Ware and Hatcher on the field every play, that increases the pass rush push on 1st and 2nd down, it also gives 2 good threats at blitzing from the middle linebacker spot. It also lets us have our 11 best, most athletic players on D on the field at the same time.

If Ellis is able to return and perform at a high level.. he would be the other DE opposite Ware and Hatcher would return to the rotation.

What you think??

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Every one wants to move Henry to FS, but that will not prevent teams from isolating TE and deep routes on RW side of the ball, thus his struggles will continue.. so here would be my plan to bring RW down close the line on every play, and remove him from coverage other than flat responsibility.

I would go to what is basically a 4-2-5.

DT- Fergy and Canty
DE –Ware and Hatcher
Sam- Akin A
Will- Bobby Carpenter
FS-Watkins
SS Henry
CB-Newman
CB- 1st round draft choice
Rover- Williams.

DL Rotation- Ratliff, Spears, Stanley
DE Rotation- Bowman, 2nd rd draft choice, Coleman, Glymph
LB Rotation- Burnett, Fowler, James
FS Rotation- Parrish
SS-Rotation- Elam, Davis
Rover- Davis

That’s 24 Defensive players on the Roster. Depending on the comfort level with the DE rotation, we might not draft one, leaving 23 Defensive players. Which would leave 27 spots for offense and 3 spots for Special teams. K, P, LS.


Moving Roy closer to the line and let him support the run, is his strong suit, it would also be able to manage the flats and blitz more effectively. He would be able to rely on his instincts instead of his ability to read the offensive and get in the right position to take away the deep routes. It also lets us have two safeties that can cover the field and get deep. With Ware and Hatcher on the field every play, that increases the pass rush push on 1st and 2nd down, it also gives 2 good threats at blitzing from the middle linebacker spot. It also lets us have our 11 best, most athletic players on D on the field at the same time.

If Ellis is able to return and perform at a high level.. he would be the other DE opposite Ware and Hatcher would return to the rotation.

What you think??

I think a 46 scheme would be better.

 

[TNCowboy]

That's basically a nickel D. Teams would run right at it and destroy it.

 

[arync]

Bradie makes to much money not to be on the field

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Bradie makes to much money not to be on the field

He makes to many mistakes to be on the Feild. The pay don't matter, its already counted against the cap, so I don't care if he is the water boy.

 

[TNCowboy]

I think a 46 scheme would be better.

Man to man coverage on the outside. Lots of blitzing. Not Parcells' style.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Man to man coverage on the outside. Lots of blitzing. Not Parcells' style.

I know but honestly, what other scheme is going to allow you to play RLWs in the role he can be most effective while at the same time, masking his coverage weakness?

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I think a 46 scheme would be better.

The only problem I see with the 46, is RW. You would bascially sub a LB in for one of the S, leaving Henry at CB and RW at SS and leaving Watkins( or other FS) to patrol the deep ball alone. I don't know if Henry is a #2 corner anymore, i know he was injured some this year, but he showed little burst to WR on cut routes even before he was injured, I think he would make a better Cover Safety going against TE than WR at this point. I don't think a 46 would would help with our cover Safety problems, the idea is to remove the wink link, RW from the equation, move him closer, let him cause problems in running game, and cover the flats.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just like I used against my brother in the early PS2 Madden days. PUNT block always got a sack or a tackle for a loss!!

I think we should always play punt block as the base defense. It's a Winner! :laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The only problem I see with the 46, is RW. You would bascially sub a LB in for one of the S, leaving Henry at CB and RW at SS and leaving Watkins( or other FS) to patrol the deep ball alone. I don't know if Henry is a #2 corner anymore, i know he was injured some this year, but he showed little burst to WR on cut routes even before he was injured, I think he would make a better Cover Safety going against TE than WR at this point. I don't think a 46 would would help with our cover Safety problems, the idea is to remove the wink link, RW from the equation, move him closer, let him cause problems in running game, and cover the flats.

In a 46, the CBs usually play bump and run technique. They don't cover all the way down the field in man to man. To be honest, I think that Henry's size and strength would actually be a plus to him in a 46. However, your free has to be a guy who can get to the spot in time. He basically provides deep help to either side of the field. You really need a guy who understands the passing game and who has the ability to cover well. In fact, almost as well as a CB in this scheme.

It's unfortunate that we have to find a scheme to hide our #8 pick in the 2002 draft but there it is.

 

[TEK2000]

1) Playing in the Nickel every down is a very bad idea. What are you gonna do if they go to a power set with 2 TE's and a FB and start running the ball straight at you?

2) If we ever get a consistent pass rush to limit the QB's time to throw, the only change that would be needed is to remove the Cover 2 as our base coverage. You could run more man to man with the CB's and have Watkins/Henry play centerfield. Teach Bradie James that you don't let the TE run by you before you turn your hips and start running upfield with him. Line RW up closer to the line of scrimmage (near the ILB area) and have him cover the flat (especially on Ware's side because everyone knows he's going to rush).

You'll never be able to eliminate Roy from deep coverage all together, but you can certainly minimize his time in that coverage more than we have if we have a good pass rush and good cover FS.

This is what Pittsburg does with Polamalu in many instances.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I say leave Henry where he is and just draft/sign a FS and be done with it.

 

[UDcowboysfan]

Roy might suck in coverage some times but that dousnt mean he's totally inept at being back there.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

1) Playing in the Nickel every down is a very bad idea. What are you gonna do if they go to a power set with 2 TE's and a FB and start running the ball straight at you?

2) If we ever get a consistent pass rush to limit the QB's time to throw, the only change that would be needed is to remove the Cover 2 as our base coverage. You could run more man to man with the CB's and have Watkins/Henry play centerfield. Teach Bradie James that you don't let the TE run by you before you turn your hips and start running upfield with him. Line RW up closer to the line of scrimmage (near the ILB area) and have him cover the flat (especially on Ware's side because everyone knows he's going to rush).

You'll never be able to eliminate Roy from deep coverage all together, but you can certainly minimize his time in that coverage more than we have if we have a good pass rush and good cover FS.

This is what Pittsburg does with Polamalu in many instances.

I dont really consider the 4-2-5 a nickel defense. The reason is although that RW is a SS now, he is not much smaller than our Lbs, at 6'-230lbs, he kind of a hybrid between LB and S. He would perform much like a Will in a base 4-3, he would not be a liability against the run, imo. He would also have the speed to cover the flats or to get back in the 15-20 yard middle, which is the hole in a basic cover 2, allowing the two LB to play closer to the line, to cut down the short dump off that goes for 15 yds.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Honestly, I just think we need to stop playing Cover2 80% of the time and go to a more traditional model with FS and Strong playing more traditional coverage schemes. Flip flop the Strong and Free a bit more. Match up the FS to the strong side of the formation and let him take coverage as opposed to letting teams dictate Roy covers all the time. While your at it, lose 10 to 15 pounds Roy and help yourself out with the part of your game that is preventing you from being the impact player you can be. JMO.

 

[TEK2000]

I dont really consider the 4-2-5 a nickel defense. The reason is although that RW is a SS now, he is not much smaller than our Lbs, at 6'-230lbs, he kind of a hybrid between LB and S. He would perform much like a Will in a base 4-3, he would not be a liability against the run, imo. He would also have the speed to cover the flats or to get back in the 15-20 yard middle, which is the hole in a basic cover 2, allowing the two LB to play closer to the line, to cut down the short dump off that goes for 15 yds.

Roy may be near the size of a LBer but he does not PLAY like a LBer. The luxury of being a safety is that you have the agility and can afford to run around blockers... not take them on head to head and try to get off of them like an NFL LBer is REQUIRED to do. Many people site the size issue as a reason not to move Roy to LBer, but I view the way he's been taught to play his entire football career as a reason not to move him.

Roy's greatest asset is playing in the open field and be able to make a play on the ball in the open field.

For me, the bottom line is that we've got to move him around and line him up in various positions. This limits the times the offense can FORCE a coverage responsibility on him like what happens when we constantly run a base/vanilla defense.

I'm so beat down with how stubbornly we run our defense. If we would move our players around to get favorable matchups for US, instead of allowing the offense to FORCE matchups on us, it would make it a hell of a lot easier for our players. This applies to Demarcus Ware and Roy Williams especially!

 

[Eddie]

Bradie makes to much money not to be on the field

But his pass coverage warrants him to be on the bench on passing downs.

 

[TEK2000]

Honestly, I just think we need to stop playing Cover2 80% of the time and go to a more traditional model with FS and Strong playing more traditional coverage schemes. Flip flop the Strong and Free a bit more. Match up the FS to the strong side of the formation and let him take coverage as opposed to letting teams dictate Roy covers all the time. While your at it, lose 10 to 15 pounds Roy and help yourself out with the part of your game that is preventing you from being the impact player you can be. JMO.

I totally agree. As I've said before, Roy Williams is the last safety in the NFL that you want to run a cover 2 with. Up until the Giants game 2 when we lost all faith in Watkins and our FS, we tended to not run the Cover 2 ALL THE TIME and would leave Watkins in centerfield alone sometimes.

 

[TEK2000]

But his pass coverage warrants him to be on the bench on passing downs.

JJT answered a question and pointed out something that I think is a great idea:

Q: Has there been any consideration of switching Bradie James to outside linebacker? After watching his attempts to cover tight ends, I think that he might be more suited to pass rushing than pass coverage.

Mark Rorie
TAYLOR: There have been no talks about moving Bradie to outside linebacker because I don't think he has the speed or explosion to be a dynamic pass rusher. I think Dallas would be more inclined to use Bobby Carpenter as an inside linebacker in nickel situations next season instead of Bradie because Carpenter has more speed and might be able to defend the deep ball down the middle better than Bradie.

Bobby Carpenter showed good coverage skills late in the season and he is definitely more athletic and maneuverable than Bradie James. I'd love to see Carp at ILB in the Nickel.
That would mean we'd need someone to takeover defensive playcalling in those situations where Bradie James is not on the field.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I am all for playing a more aggressive 3-4 scheme with the players we have now, I think it would be very successful. However, knowing that BP is NOT an aggressive coach on the D side of the ball.. we have to do something to try and get RW out of coverage responsibility while allowing him to do what he does best, play at the LOS.