Ex Scouts from the Cowboys

[Zordon]

I don't even listen to what guys like Ed Cahill and Derek Eagleton say. Even Nick Eatman has been disappointing as of late.

Broaddus, all day.

dude i'm mirin brah.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

IMHO, Stretch doesnt sound all that stupid when compared to Galloway and Mosley as those guys are doing GAC. That is a relative thing tho.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'm not calling out a mechanic for his writing ability. I'm criticizing a person that gets paid to write.

There have been tens of thousands of posts here about Jerry's intelligence and the way that he talks.

Part of the intent of my OP was that possibly people other than Jerry have contributed to failed drafts in the past. I'm curious if Glenn Smith was ousted by Garrett similar to how Larry Lacewell and Brian Broaddus were ousted by Parcells.

I think Parcells may have been here when Stretch was run out of VR.

 

[jterrell]

Mickey must have some pictures of someone doing something really strange to have the job he has. Mickey really isn't very good at what he does in my humble opinion.

disagree completely.

he is a team shill and cheerleader.
he makes no mistakes about that role or in his dedication to it.

not a glamorous job but one he has done well which is why he is still in place and only seen his role grow over 15 years.

 

[Verdict]

disagree completely.

he is a team shill and cheerleader.
he makes no mistakes about that role or in his dedication to it.

not a glamorous job but one he has done well which is why he is still in place and only seen his role grow over 15 years.

Mickey is a team shill. We can agree on that part. But I disagree that he is very good at it.

 

[TheSport78]

dude i'm mirin brah.

Haha thanks my man!

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm not calling out a mechanic for his writing ability. I'm criticizing a person that gets paid to write.

No, you criticized a football scout for his writing ability... or more precisely, how he talks. That is why the mechanic analogy was a good one and more than one person agreed with it.

Maybe you didn't understand what he was trying to say with his analogy. Just like it is silly to downgrade a mechanic's ability to work on a car because of how he talks or writes, it is silly to downgrade a scout's ability to find good football players because of how he talks on the radio... which you did when you wrote: "I was listening to Glenn “Stretch” Smith on the radio yesterday. It occurred to me that he sounds very dumb."

It's just not for me to criticize a persons intelligence based on things like that. If you want to do it and feel good about judging someone's IQ based on how they sound and then telling everyone about it, then by all means... go ahead.

I wont though, for many, many reasons.

The smartest person I have ever known was a guy who got his doctorate in Physical Chemistry at the age of 23 and by 24 was a chemistry professor. He was teaching my Analytical Chemistry class and he was two years younger than I was.

He didn't write very well and his handwriting was damn near illegible. He also spoke very slowly, whereas I speak at about 100 mph. The main thing though, when he talked or was trying to figure out a problem, what he came up with always went against conventional wisdom. He viewed things differently than most of us. Many times I thought what he was doing or saying lacked common sense, yet always he solved the issues or problems in an exceptional manner.

He was brilliant, you see, yet most people didn't think much of him when they first met him, and if you judged him by the way he spoke, you would think he had a slow mind, when in reality, he had already thought about what you or I was thinking about and had moved on about 10 thoughts ahead of us.

I'm not saying Stretch Smith is a brilliant mind, but it is beyond arrogant to think that he is "dumb" because he looks at things differently than you, approaches scouting differently than you, or talks with a different accent than you.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not calling out a mechanic for his writing ability. I'm criticizing a person that gets paid to write.

There have been tens of thousands of posts here about Jerry's intelligence and the way that he talks.

Part of the intent of my OP was that possibly people other than Jerry have contributed to failed drafts in the past. I'm curious if Glenn Smith was ousted by Garrett similar to how Larry Lacewell and Brian Broaddus were ousted by Parcells.

Smith was flushed out when Parcells first got here at the latest... Pretty sure that unlike Broaddus, he never even worked for Bill. He came from OU with Switzer.

I'm curious why you think he doesn't sound smart, though.

BTW, I'm from Texas as well but there's still no doubt he sounds like a total hick.

 

[jterrell]

Smith was flushed out when Parcells first got here at the latest... Pretty sure that unlike Broaddus, he never even worked for Bill. He came from OU with Switzer.

I'm curious why you think he doesn't sound smart, though.

BTW, I'm from Texas as well but there's still no doubt he sounds like a total hick.

In fairness to the OP Stretch has stated things on GAC that seem completely illogical and hard to take seriously. While this is a standard Galloway tactic, I am not sure it lends oneself to football intellect. Nothing to do with dialect at all just pure crazy talk, lol.

There were a couple of things he said that literally had me questioning my hearing. I am old and cant recall exact details sadly but I assure you others have heard this.

I no longer listen to Stretch segments. I switch over to another sports show or just turn off the radio. It has been that deflating.

I definitely miss Fitzsimmons (who I think is a sharp football guy; and also Broaddus) on GAC.

Will be interesting to see if Ben and Skin get that FAN afternoon drive gig. They weren't football gurus but may get a football expert on.

 

[xwalker]

In fairness to the OP Stretch has stated things on GAC that seem completely illogical and hard to take seriously. While this is a standard Galloway tactic, I am not sure it lends oneself to football intellect. Nothing to do with dialect at all just pure crazy talk, lol.

There were a couple of things he said that literally had me questioning my hearing. I am old and cant recall exact details sadly but I assure you others have heard this.

I no longer listen to Stretch segments. I switch over to another sports show or just turn off the radio. It has been that deflating.

I definitely miss Fitzsimmons (who I think is a sharp football guy; and also Broaddus) on GAC.

Will be interesting to see if Ben and Skin get that FAN afternoon drive gig. They weren't football gurus but may get a football expert on.

This is actually a better description of what I was trying to convey.

It had nothing to do with his "accent", my OP was all about the football points that he was trying to make.

 

[xwalker]

No, you criticized a football scout for his writing ability... or more precisely, how he talks. That is why the mechanic analogy was a good one and more than one person agreed with it.

Maybe you didn't understand what he was trying to say with his analogy. Just like it is silly to downgrade a mechanic's ability to work on a car because of how he talks or writes, it is silly to downgrade a scout's ability to find good football players because of how he talks on the radio... which you did when you wrote: "I was listening to Glenn “Stretch” Smith on the radio yesterday. It occurred to me that he sounds very dumb."

I get the analogy.

With regards to Smith specifically, my issue was with the football points that he tried to make. It had nothing to do with "how" he speaks.

The smartest person I have ever known was a guy who got his doctorate in Physical Chemistry at the age of 23 and by 24 was a chemistry professor. He was teaching my Analytical Chemistry class and he was two years younger than I was.

He didn't write very well and his handwriting was damn near illegible. He also spoke very slowly, whereas I speak at about 100 mph. The main thing though, when he talked or was trying to figure out a problem, what he came up with always went against conventional wisdom. He viewed things differently than most of us. Many times I thought what he was doing or saying lacked common sense, yet always he solved the issues or problems in an exceptional manner.

He was brilliant, you see, yet most people didn't think much of him when they first met him, and if you judged him by the way he spoke, you would think he had a slow mind, when in reality, he had already thought about what you or I was thinking about and had moved on about 10 thoughts ahead of us.

I get the concept. Everybody that I work with has above average intelligence; however, many that are brilliant in regards to advanced technology are not great speakers and/or are not great writers.

I'm not saying Stretch Smith is a brilliant mind, but it is beyond arrogant to think that he is "dumb" because he looks at things differently than you, approaches scouting differently than you, or talks with a different accent than you.

If your read one of my other responses, you'll see that it is doubtful that he speaks with a different accent than me because I'm a native Texan.

Maybe he is just nervous, but an ex NFL scout should be able to make a logical football point regardless of the nonsense (Galloway, Mosley) that is going on around him.

 

[neosapien23]

Maybe he is just nervous, but an ex NFL scout should be able to make a logical football point regardless of the nonsense (Galloway, Mosley) that is going on around him.[/quote]


This goes for Broadus too. Sometimes he will breakdown film so brillantly that I wonder why he is out of a job as a scout, but then he will say something so stupid that I know why he doesn't have a job as a scout anymore. I think people missed your point. It would be like the mechanic who tells me my battery is draining fast because I have a bad waterpump instead of telling me it is a bad alternator, battery, or rusted battery conection. Nothing to do with his speaking skills but the fact that he sucks at his job.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

In fairness to the OP Stretch has stated things on GAC that seem completely illogical and hard to take seriously. While this is a standard Galloway tactic, I am not sure it lends oneself to football intellect. Nothing to do with dialect at all just pure crazy talk, lol.

There were a couple of things he said that literally had me questioning my hearing. I am old and cant recall exact details sadly but I assure you others have heard this.

I no longer listen to Stretch segments. I switch over to another sports show or just turn off the radio. It has been that deflating.

I definitely miss Fitzsimmons (who I think is a sharp football guy; and also Broaddus) on GAC.

Will be interesting to see if Ben and Skin get that FAN afternoon drive gig. They weren't football gurus but may get a football expert on.

That's fine and I'm hardly some Smith apologist... I haven't even heard him in a while. But what has he said that's is so off the wall? The most I've heard is that he was in love with the Honey Badger, but even he came off that some when he heard about the possible double digit drug test fails.

I know he absolutely loves Kiffin and thinks the new defensive coaches will solve most of the problems this team has had. I don't agree with him on that but oh well.

Come to think of it, that's one crazy thing, that our offense has been a-ok.

 

[Rockytop6]

Not much of an opinion on this whole matter but I would say that the format of a scout's analysis is probably pretty standard across the nfl. Not sure on that obviously, maybe couchscout could shed more light on this.

Also, I think that there are different types of intelligence and just because one's writing style or use of logic isn't superior doesn't necessarily make them dumb. Skills are skills and are acquired through work and practice. I don't view my college professor as being superior to my mechanic in any way, except maybe economically. They both can do things the other can't.

Good point and accurate.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think it was last week where he said the Cowboys had 17 first round grades and deduced that means they will trade down. That right there is idiotic reasoning since every year it's around that many and every team's board is different. So odds are that at least a few of their top guys will be there. In Sean Lee's draft they had him as a first round pick along with Lion teammate Bowman and Lee went in the 2nd and Bowman in the 3rd.

 

[Rockytop6]

various....

1st being a scout is a remarkable and hard job. It is low paying, involves insane travel, and the best of the best are wrong more than they are right. They have to know when to fight for players and when to just let the thing breathe. When to concede to colleagues and when to double-check their own opinions. I respect the grind those guys go through. I dont need scouts that are eloquent and polished. I need them to identify talent and see potential.

Media and Scouting are very separate entities. I like what Galloway has done by giving former scouts a radio voice. To me Broaddus has done a great job in that regard. Unfortunately as noted by the OP his media presence has also lent itself to scrutiny for his scouting and he hasn't stood up as well there. He has well-formed opinions but they seem to contradict other data and thus far his pet cats haven't really panned out. Of late he tries to predict what Dallas feels thus distancing himself from the opinion. Not a bad tactic if also a bit slick. Very media.

Stretch Smith... I have to agree that right now he really doesn't seem a good fit for radio. Especially not in extended runs. His football opinions are often just odd. Definitely not mainstream football thought. Not sure if this is more his "radio" voice talking or his actual beliefs. But I'd say right now he is struggling to find his footing as a media member the way Broaddus has done so well.

Excellent post. Also congratulations on your number 16,000.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Intelligence comes in many forms.

Speech and writing has more of a correlation to education and upbringing than innate intelligence. OTOH, it does have a correlation and if you are dealing with people from similar backgrounds it is easy to discern.

The main issue with speech is that people from different regions have biases and parlay them into judgments. People from the NE are notorious for thinking that people from the south are morons because of their drawl. Minority dialects are also held in this light.

Again, OTOH, there are speech patterns that do denote stupid. I have yet to encounter someone that utters strings of monosyllables and cannot structure sentences such that the ideas interrelate on their own, and later discover that the person was really a savant. Just don't mistake a deliberate pace or funny accent for moron.

I think the issue is that football scouting doesn't take all that much intelligence. The key is knowing what to look for. Coaching is different because you have to develop and establish a program, teach it, and execute it while competing with others trying to do the same thing. Pro scouting just means you watch and need to know what to look for.

 

[Risen Star]

All I'll say is that since Broaddus gets his income from the Cowboys, I question what he actually thinks versus what he writes and says. We all gotta eat. BTW there hasnt been a scout yet that hasnt been wrong about multiple players. Maybe the ones who are wrong more often end up in the media.

He's a nice guy, but I don't have much respect for his opinion. If you pay attention, he rarely answers the question asked.

As for this draft, he didn't even know the players in January. He admitted as much. Now he's fielding everyone's questions on this class as if he knows something.

I agree with the OP on this. He doesn't come across as very impressive for a former scout.

 

[VACowboy]

I have no opinion on Smith and very little on Broaddus. The ones that drive me nuts are the former players who get paid tons of money to sit in a studio or a booth and orate. IMHO, they may know a ton about football, but many of them sound like idiots, and it has nothing to do with ethnic, regional or any other kind of accent.

 

[QT]

I actually enjoyed listening to Broaddus on GAC. I like his stories in the war room with Parcells. I like how he and Nate broke down the Oline. I hated it when he left to 105.3. I could not stand Stretch at first. I kept texting GAC saying how horrible he is and to bring Broaddus back. Stretch has horrible jokes and even Matt Moseley has disagreed with some of Stretch's points.