Ex Scouts from the Cowboys

[WPBCowboysFan]

I actually enjoyed listening to Broaddus on GAC. I like his stories in the war room with Parcells. I like how he and Nate broke down the Oline. I hated it when he left to 105.3. I could not stand Stretch at first. I kept texting GAC saying how horrible he is and to bring Broaddus back. Stretch has horrible jokes and even Matt Moseley has disagreed with some of Stretch's points.

Mosley disagreeing may add credibility to Stretch's points.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My recommendation is to stop listening to DFW sports radio. You can tell the hardline and GAC listeners.

 

[xwalker]

I think it was last week where he said the Cowboys had 17 first round grades and deduced that means they will trade down. That right there is idiotic reasoning since every year it's around that many and every team's board is different. So odds are that at least a few of their top guys will be there. In Sean Lee's draft they had him as a first round pick along with Lion teammate Bowman and Lee went in the 2nd and Bowman in the 3rd.

Good example.

 

[unionjack8]

i think the message is here is to ignore broaddus and listen to unionjack8 when it comes to draft matters.

 

[Macnalty]

Good example.

Remember Walk you have been scouting the talent longer than he has this year. I know you were posting in Sept about some of the talent. He is constantly playing catch-up on these players, look how long it took you to have a feel for the first round and second round. I get bored with his LSU bias, that is my first filter on him. I think he has an agenda for the boys so I always feel like the information is somewhat tainted. Only a week to go, looking forward to next Thursday and Friday.

 

[xwalker]

Remember Walk you have been scouting the talent longer than he has this year. I know you were posting in Sept about some of the talent. He is constantly playing catch-up on these players, look how long it took you to have a feel for the first round and second round. I get bored with his LSU bias, that is my first filter on him. I think he has an agenda for the boys so I always feel like the information is somewhat tainted. Only a week to go, looking forward to next Thursday and Friday.

Good point. I forgot about his statement that he didn't start looking at draft prospects until after the NFL season was complete.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Broaddus is a nice guy, obviously. And he likes football, which is cool. But I'd take a monkey's player evaluation over his. It's like the stock market--you hit on some, you miss on some. Studies show monkeys can do as well as some traders. There's no difference with Broaddus, really.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

All I'll say is that since Broaddus gets his income from the Cowboys, I question what he actually thinks versus what he writes and says. We all gotta eat. BTW there hasnt been a scout yet that hasnt been wrong about multiple players. Maybe the ones who are wrong more often end up in the media.

*Insert Mickey Spagnola if he's so good argument

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Mickey must have some pictures of someone doing something really strange to have the job he has. Mickey really isn't very good at what he does in my humble opinion.

He has that job because he has been there for so long. Mickey reminds me of a poster who no longer posts here but has 100s of thousands of posts. He's enthusiastic, loves football and is passionate about the game. But when it comes to football analysis, he has the insight of a 10 year old boy.

 

[jterrell]

Mosley disagreeing may add credibility to Stretch's points.

No, on these points Mosley was actually the voice of reason.

Again, this may be "radio" work and not even what Glen Smith actually believes because they obviously script out these shows and discussions but Mosley was the one making salient, basic, logical points to some odd takes 3 weeks ago or so.

I wish I could recall the exact points that drove me nuts but it happened about 3 times in a row where I expected Smith to have great football points and it was anything but.

The first was probably a discussion about how much he hated the job Rex Ryan did. (thanks to someone above for the reminder)

My summary which is weeks old and hardly word for word.

He really crapped on Ryan about penalties for too many men on the field or not enough. But 30 seconds later he excused the offensive performance and penalties because of injury. Mosley correctly pointed out the defense actually had the worse run of injuries and Ryan was starting off the street free agents the week they signed at times. Smith said the Ryan defense was too complicated for new guys and rookies to learn. Mosley pointed out Dallas had rookies at CB and contributing along the DL on defense but no rookie doing anything of note on offense.

After a few more odd takes like this I just didn't find it listenable anymore.

 

[xwalker]

I heard Glenn Stretch Smith on the radio again today and it caused me to think about this thread.

It seems that people didn't like the fact that I criticized Smith or Broaddus, two guys that quite possibly contributed to some past draft failures; however, there are thousands of posts were people say any and everything about Jerry, Garrett and players. Nobody ever seems to care that many posts make fun of Jerry and the way that he talks, yet when people thought that I was making fun of Smiths' "accent" they seemed to be offended.

I'm just curious about the dynamics of this thread. Is is OK to make fun of Jerry, Garrett and players because they make millions? Do people associate themselves with these ex-scouts because they're more like the common man. Have some people had their own issues with being considered less intelligent than average? Do people think that people consider them unintelligent because of their jobs?

OK, I guess that I'm bored, but sometimes I wonder why things are the way they are in society.

It seems that most people will readily admit that they're not good at certain things like sports. It's OK to admit that you can't run fast or jump high, etc.., but very few people ever admit that they might have below average intelligence.

My Grandparents didn't think that their opinion was the most important thing in the world, but it seems that a majority of people in more recent generations do think that their opinion is drastically important regardless of their background, intellectual level, accomplishments or lack of accomplishments.

 

[speedkilz88]

Did he by chance say something stupid today?

 

[xwalker]

Did he by chance say something stupid today?

He just can't seem to make a logical football point; otherwise, he seems like a good guy and not as goofy as Galloway and Mosley.

Chuck Cooperstein was on with Galloway and if you didn't know, you would think that he was the scout and Smith was a fan that had called in to the show. This is especially funny because Cooperstein is not only just a media guy, he is primarily a Basketball guy; however, he sounded very well versed in the draft discussion and tried to help Smith make his points.

As you probably know, they fired Cooperstein years ago at the Ticket for being too serious and "boring" because he liked to go into in-depth sports discussions and didn't like to participate in their "shtick". They refer to Cooperstein as the "higher authority" which seems to be a reference to him being more intelligent than the other radio hosts.

 

[waving monkey]

I don't respond much if i may differ in regards to Broaddus. He knows something about ProBall and it apppears he gives inside info and is intentionally vague as to not leak his sources and or their need for secrecy.

 

[speedkilz88]

He just can't seem to make a logical football point; otherwise, he seems like a good guy and not as goofy as Galloway and Mosley.

Chuck Cooperstein was on with Galloway and if you didn't know, you would think that he was the scout and Smith was a fan that had called in to the show. This is especially funny because Cooperstein is not only just a media guy, he is primarily a Basketball guy; however, he sounded very well versed in the draft discussion and tried to help Smith make his points.

As you probably know, they fired Cooperstein years ago at the Ticket for being too serious and "boring" because he liked to go into in-depth sports discussions and didn't like to participate in their "shtick". They refer to Cooperstein as the "higher authority" which seems to be a reference to him being more intelligent than the other radio hosts.

Yeah, I remember Chuck back when KRLD was the flagship of the Cowboys. That was some real football talk with Brad Sham and him and even Dale Hansen before he lost his mind.

 

[AsthmaField]

I heard Glenn Stretch Smith on the radio again today and it caused me to think about this thread.

It seems that people didn't like the fact that I criticized Smith or Broaddus, two guys that quite possibly contributed to some past draft failures;

I was probably the most outspoken against what you wrote in this thread, so I will respond to this with just a few points.

You didn't just criticize them, you called them "dumb". That is what I took issue with. I don't particularly like either one of them or their opinion, and I agree that they very well could have contributed to past draft failures in Dallas, however, you won't hear or read me going around calling them "dumb".

As far as I'm concerned you could go around and criticize anyone and everyone for their viewpoints and I doubt I would ever say a word... heck there are so many critical people on this board that there aren't enough hours in the day to try to talk about all of it. But when you flat out call a couple of ex scouts "dumb" it rubs me the wrong way, particularly when you seem to be saying you know way more than guys who were professional scouts.

I sincerely doubt that either you or I know more than those guys do about scouting football players. I disagree with them a lot but that won't make me think they're stupid for disagreeing with me.

however, there are thousands of posts were people say any and everything about Jerry, Garrett and players. Nobody ever seems to care that many posts make fun of Jerry and the way that he talks, yet when people thought that I was making fun of Smiths' "accent" they seemed to be offended.

I can only speak for myself here, but you certainly won't find me saying Jerry or Garrett or any Cowboy for that matter is dumb, and I definitely don't agree that they are. Frankly, I have pretty much tuned out / don't read all the Jerry/Garrett hate that is here, which is why I have been spending so much time in the draft zone lately.

Had I been one of the people calling some of the Cowboys stupid, I doubt I would have had a problem with you calling ex scouts dumb.

No, I took this thread on it's own merits and discussed it based on that.

As far as his accent is concerned, it wasn't that you said he talks funny because he's from the South... you said he sounded dumb. That is very different. I didn't know if you said that because of his accent or not. I just suggested that it is very difficult to determine his IQ from listening to him talk on the radio, and that you might not want to call people "dumb".

If what I wrote offended you in some way, then I apologize for that, but I still think maybe it isn't ok to call people stupid just because a lot of people on here do the same to Jerry/Garrett.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

THREE WORDS: puppets

 

[TwentyOne]

I don't even listen to what guys like Ed Cahill and Derek Eagleton say. Even Nick Eatman has been disappointing as of late.

Broaddus, all day.

So am i. Eatmann especially. I like Broaduss too.

 

[xwalker]

I was probably the most outspoken against what you wrote in this thread, so I will respond to this with just a few points.

You didn't just criticize them, you called them "dumb". That is what I took issue with. I don't particularly like either one of them or their opinion, and I agree that they very well could have contributed to past draft failures in Dallas, however, you won't hear or read me going around calling them "dumb".

As far as I'm concerned you could go around and criticize anyone and everyone for their viewpoints and I doubt I would ever say a word... heck there are so many critical people on this board that there aren't enough hours in the day to try to talk about all of it. But when you flat out call a couple of ex scouts "dumb" it rubs me the wrong way, particularly when you seem to be saying you know way more than guys who were professional scouts.

I sincerely doubt that either you or I know more than those guys do about scouting football players. I disagree with them a lot but that won't make me think they're stupid for disagreeing with me.

I can only speak for myself here, but you certainly won't find me saying Jerry or Garrett or any Cowboy for that matter is dumb, and I definitely don't agree that they are. Frankly, I have pretty much tuned out / don't read all the Jerry/Garrett hate that is here, which is why I have been spending so much time in the draft zone lately.

Had I been one of the people calling some of the Cowboys stupid, I doubt I would have had a problem with you calling ex scouts dumb.

No, I took this thread on it's own merits and discussed it based on that.

As far as his accent is concerned, it wasn't that you said he talks funny because he's from the South... you said he sounded dumb. That is very different. I didn't know if you said that because of his accent or not. I just suggested that it is very difficult to determine his IQ from listening to him talk on the radio, and that you might not want to call people "dumb".

If what I wrote offended you in some way, then I apologize for that, but I still think maybe it isn't ok to call people stupid just because a lot of people on here do the same to Jerry/Garrett.

Good response, Thanks.

I never said that I know more about scouting or football than the 2 scouts that were mentioned. I don't have to be a gymnast to be able to watch the Olympics and see that some gymnasts perform better than others. If the difference is minimal, then I wouldn't know, but if a competitor is obviously bad I can recognize it. That in no way means that I know more or am better at gymnastics than the "bad" competitor.

Maybe I should have worded it differently and not said that he sounded dumb; however, I find it somewhat unfortunate that we have to change our vocabulary or speech patterns to be politically correct.

It's OK to call a guy a slow runner if his running speed is below average and it' OK to a call a guy that is 5'8 short; however, you can't put a label on someone that has below average intelligence without it being insulting and politically incorrect.

An athlete can say that he is faster than you and it's doubtful that you would be insulted; however, if a Rocket Scientist said that he was smarter than you, then you probably would be insulted.

If you're 5'8 and someone referred to you as short, you might not like like it, but probably wouldn't be insulted; however, if you weighed 300 lbs and someone called you fat, then you probably would be insulted.

If Deion Sander's bet the average person $1000 that he could beat them in a foot race, most people wouldn't take that bet; however, if a Rocket Scientist said that the average person was wrong about something, that person would argue the point despite the fact that the Rocket Scientist could crush that person in just about every possible measure of intelligence.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It almost sounds in posts #51 and #59 that you are saying that 1) people who didn't like my calling these guys dumb must be dumb themselves and it hit too close to home for them and 2) these guys really are that dumb, you just didn't like my saying it because it's not politically correct.

Both sounds pretty sketchy at best to me.

I think if you'd criticized specific aspects of what these guys had said, no one would mind. It's when you claim that someone sounds almost too dumb to work at McDonalds (shot at McDonalds' workers as well) based on radio comments that people wonder what the heck you're getting at.

And BTW, I've listened to Coop for years, and trust me, he is often very wrong on many players, coaches, and other things as well. I don't think he's any "smarter" than these other guys at evaluating talent (or scheme, or player fits, etc). You just liked his presentation better. Which was kind of the point several of us were making in the first place.