Excellent quote from Mahomes Dak should read it

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This thread is funny. Yes mahomes got a monster deal, biggest ever etc.. but a) he is the hottest QB stock in the league.. absolutely no limit on what he could do over the next 12 years. b) he is so superior to Dak it isn't even a question. c) his deal, when averaged out, is very team friendly and gives KC security at the QB position... d) if Mahomes 'holds out' like Dak then he ends up with a much higher pay day imho..

So once again we see a TRUE class player.. mahomes.. walk the talk and sign a team friendly (but still monster) deal that is fair.

Dak just talks about the team.. in the end he has done everything to show that just wants a pay day that he hasn't earnt and would cripple the team.

If this is a huge red sign for those still obsessed with the notion Dak is somehow a 'leader' then I don't know what will show you.

His 10 year deal when averaged out is more than 45 million per season with guarantees that basically make him uncuttable wtihout massive penalties (there is not a single year where you can cut him and have less than 35 million in dead money) and ensure that about halfway through the deal he will get another extension that gives him a raise. The only team friendly aspect is that it ensures that Mahomes will be a Chief for the next 12 years and for all but maybe 2 of those seasons will be the leagues highest paid player despite that title normally not being held by the best player at a position. Maybe Mahomes could get an extra 1-1.5 million waiting but he basically maxed out the amount of money a QB could get with the current salary cap.

Meanwhile no current or former Cowboys questions Dak's leadership skills. Not a single one. You would think SOMEONE even anonymously would be saying something about his leadership but it does not exist. Meaning the only people who question Dak's leadership are the people who have never actually been in the same locker room as him for any length of time.
 

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His 10 year deal when averaged out is more than 45 million per season with guarantees that basically make him uncuttable wtihout massive penalties (there is not a single year where you can cut him and have less than 35 million in dead money) and ensure that about halfway through the deal he will get another extension that gives him a raise. The only team friendly aspect is that it ensures that Mahomes will be a Chief for the next 12 years and for all but maybe 2 of those seasons will be the leagues highest paid player despite that title normally not being held by the best player at a position. Maybe Mahomes could get an extra 1-1.5 million waiting but he basically maxed out the amount of money a QB could get with the current salary cap.

Meanwhile no current or former Cowboys questions Dak's leadership skills. Not a single one. You would think SOMEONE even anonymously would be saying something about his leadership but it does not exist. Meaning the only people who question Dak's leadership are the people who have never actually been in the same locker room as him for any length of time.

Whose questioning Daks leaderships skills? Problem is leadership only gets you so far. At some point, arm talent and being able to execute under pressure matters more. Even before Mahomes won a super bowl, everyone around the league knew he had the talent and ability to accomplish it. NOBODY is saying that about Dak.
 

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Whose questioning Daks leaderships skills? Problem is leadership only gets you so far. At some point, arm talent and being able to execute under pressure matters more. Even before Mahomes won a super bowl, everyone around the league knew he had the talent and ability to accomplish it. NOBODY is saying that about Dak.

Most people rank Dak is the 6-10 range as far as QBs go (that will likely go up by 1 after this year because Brees is retiring). In terms of deep ball accuracy he was one of the NFL's best. Also plenty of people are saying that Dak has the talent and ability to win a SB. In fact I would wager most analysts feel Dak does. That is not a particularly strong compliment as about a dozen QBs have the talent and ability to win a SB and the rest of the NFL is either drafting to find that guy or grooming a young QB they hope to become that guy.
 

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His 10 year deal when averaged out is more than 45 million per season with guarantees that basically make him uncuttable wtihout massive penalties (there is not a single year where you can cut him and have less than 35 million in dead money) and ensure that about halfway through the deal he will get another extension that gives him a raise. The only team friendly aspect is that it ensures that Mahomes will be a Chief for the next 12 years and for all but maybe 2 of those seasons will be the leagues highest paid player despite that title normally not being held by the best player at a position. Maybe Mahomes could get an extra 1-1.5 million waiting but he basically maxed out the amount of money a QB could get with the current salary cap.

Meanwhile no current or former Cowboys questions Dak's leadership skills. Not a single one. You would think SOMEONE even anonymously would be saying something about his leadership but it does not exist. Meaning the only people who question Dak's leadership are the people who have never actually been in the same locker room as him for any length of time.
Go read Walker's thread about comparing the two contracts. You'll quickly change your mind about the team friendly aspect.
 

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Go read Walker's thread about comparing the two contracts. You'll quickly change your mind about the team friendly aspect.

I mean I have read plenty of contract breakdowns for it. It is a contract where they took Tannehill's structure of guarantees (which Spottrac still cannot track properly) and applied it to Mahomes. For those who do not know the contract structure of that deal, the roster bonus for the next year is guaranteed the 3rd league day of the previous year. For a more iron clad example it would mean that Mahomes 2026 roster bonus became guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year in 2025 and that 2025 bonus was guaranteed on the 3rd league day of 2024. This means that he is effectively uncuttable without it hurting quite a lot.

However, that is not the only good thing for Mahomes in that deal. There is also a massive cap jump of 50% right after the year when the next group of QBs would be getting new contracts and that jump is in there in order to get the Chiefs to also offer a new deal that will make sure that even after those round of deals go out, Mahomes will quickly take back the throne as the top-paid QB.
 

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Except mahomes cap hit won't hit 40+ for a few years. With the 1st 3 years cap hits being 5, 25, 31 million each. Also by the time mahomes cap hits the 40+ mark he will be making below market dollars on those cap hits. So his enormous deal is extremely team friendly. Dak's deal is different in part because its not an extension and he wants to keep it short so he can cash in again shortly.
Hit the nail right on the head...If Mahommes continues to play at the level has played, KC wins big...no huge! In the interview people wanted to know why he took a contract that is more team freindly....he said he is happy where he is at end of story. 3 years from now 2nd tier qbs will be signing contracts at 40+ like its going out of style! Half a billion is a ton of money but due to the ever rising market value of qbs....Chiefs win and will continue to be able to bring in talent.
 

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I mean I have read plenty of contract breakdowns for it. It is a contract where they took Tannehill's structure of guarantees (which Spottrac still cannot track properly) and applied it to Mahomes. For those who do not know the contract structure of that deal, the roster bonus for the next year is guaranteed the 3rd league day of the previous year. For a more iron clad example it would mean that Mahomes 2026 roster bonus became guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year in 2025 and that 2025 bonus was guaranteed on the 3rd league day of 2024. This means that he is effectively uncuttable without it hurting quite a lot.

However, that is not the only good thing for Mahomes in that deal. There is also a massive cap jump of 50% right after the year when the next group of QBs would be getting new contracts and that jump is in there in order to get the Chiefs to also offer a new deal that will make sure that even after those round of deals go out, Mahomes will quickly take back the throne as the top-paid QB.
What you missed is that Mahomes is playing for around 27 mil for the next four years, and that his contract is what allowed them to sign Chris Jones.
 

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Hit the nail right on the head...If Mahommes continues to play at the level has played, KC wins big...no huge! In the interview people wanted to know why he took a contract that is more team freindly....he said he is happy where he is at end of story. 3 years from now 2nd tier qbs will be signing contracts at 40+ like its going out of style! Half a billion is a ton of money but due to the ever rising market value of qbs....Chiefs win and will continue to be able to bring in talent.
Not everyone is super greedy.
 

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What you missed is that Mahomes is playing for around 27 mil for the next four years, and that his contract is what allowed them to sign Chris Jones.

The first 2 years he had nothing to do with. They were remnants from his rookie deal (hence why it is called an extension). I think the only addition to the cap on those years was 2 million on each year due to signing bonus from extension. So after the 5.3 and 24.8 that were going to exist anyway, he has cap hits of 31.5 million and 42.5 million. The latter 2 years being the first 2 years of his real extension.
 

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The first 2 years he had nothing to do with. They were remnants from his rookie deal (hence why it is called an extension). I think the only addition to the cap on those years was 2 million on each year due to signing bonus from extension. So after the 5.3 and 24.8 that were going to exist anyway, he has cap hits of 31.5 million and 42.5 million. The latter 2 years being the first 2 years of his real extension.
And you're still missing the point. Mahomes's contract is what allowed KC to retain Chris Jones.

His contract will be redone and extended to keep talent around him. That's what you can do w/ a 10 year contract. Huge huge huge point that you keep missing. Maybe focus less on the details and look at the big pic.
 

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And you're still missing the point. Mahomes's contract is what allowed KC to retain Chris Jones.

His contract will be redone and extended to keep talent around him. That's what you can do w/ a 10 year contract. Huge huge huge point that you keep missing. Maybe focus less on the details and look at the big pic.

The big picture is Mahomes has 2 years left on his rookie deal. That is why they could sign Jones. There is no magic big picture on this. The Chiefs have 2 more cost controlled years and they did the standard contract thing of having the first year of the extension "only" be 31-32 million in cap hit before the big jump. Half of the Jones extension is not even part of Mahomes extension period.

There is not some nice haircut in cap space on the deal. They are going to be eating 40 million+ in QB cap space just about every year until around 2025 when they rework it and give him a raise to avoiding that number jumping to 60 million.

Basically right now the Cowboys are at the spot where the Chiefs will be in 2 years.
 
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