Expanding Pure Football Player Roles

[jazzcat22]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-expanding-pure-football-player-roles

Actually a good article here, but I know the usuals will not read it.

Some good quotes by Dan Quinn about the versatility and puts a new light on the dreaded "flex" players.
Also talks about players on offense and any dual roles / positions they can line up.

About Hunter Luepke as he writes:
"And watch out for undrafted rookie fullback Hunter Luepke, the newest Swiss Army knife from North Dakota State, where he played fullback, tailback, tight end, caught passes and even took Wildcat snaps at quarterback. Oh, and guarantee you if Luepke makes the team he will be a constant on special teams."

 

[MarcusRock]

Actually a good article here, but I know the usuals will not read it.

Why do this? Why not just post stuff and let the thread unfold how it will unfold? Not sure why people post and then call out the "haters" or the "homers" in the initial post as if they're looking over their shoulder as they type the words. Isn't that what's meant by in one's head "rent free?" People don't like Mickey, people don't like Broaddus but it's no damnation on the people who bring the information here. It's just information to be parsed and agreed with or not. Y'all need to stop caring about what others will think before they've thought it. Football can be stressful. Posting shouldn't be. I mean it turns out it is to some, but it can be helped. This is one such way. Just a helpful suggestion.

 

[JayFord]

I think eventually the NFL will go the route of the NBA

back when i was growing up seeing a Center or Power Forward bring the ball up the court wouldve been lunacy...now theres really no 1-5 positions anymore i mean there are but its noting to see A big man bring the ball up the court shoot threes and make Allen Iverson type crossovers

The NFL will always have QBs be the QB and Olinemen being olinemen the RB and WR's role can change at anytime because they can switch some Wrs can play running back on plays CeeDee does it, Anquan Bolden has done it and Deebo is famous for doing it

on the defensive side is where it can get BONKERS there are legit some defensive ends that can flex out to strong safety if they wanted to...the difference these days between linebacker and safety is PAPER THIN i think Micah could play free safety if he wanted too....Isiah Simmons def could play safety (and might be better there) and Jamal Adams is a Linebacker his official position is safety but all who watch him hes basically in the same role as Micah parsons he lines up either in the box or on the edge

 

[jazzcat22]

Why do this? Why not just post stuff and let the thread unfold how it will unfold? Not sure why people post and then call out the "haters" or the "homers" in the initial post as if they're looking over their shoulder as they type the words. Isn't that what's meant by in one's head "rent free?" People don't like Mickey, people don't like Broaddus but it's no damnation on the people who bring the information here. It's just information to be parsed and agreed with or not. Y'all need to stop caring about what others will think before they've thought it. Football can be stressful. Posting shouldn't be. I mean it turns out it is to some, but it can be helped. This is one such way. Just a helpful suggestion.

Your post is exactly why. You just proved my point.
The USUALS...the ones that do not like Mickey will not read it and just post their USUAL crap. Not adding anything to the thread.
Just like your post.

 

[diamonddelts]

Don't forget Powerful one yard specialist.

 

[conner01]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-expanding-pure-football-player-roles

Actually a good article here, but I know the usuals will not read it.

Some good quotes by Dan Quinn about the versatility and puts a new light on the dreaded "flex" players.
Also talks about players on offense and any dual roles / positions they can line up.

About Hunter Luepke as he writes:
"And watch out for undrafted rookie fullback Hunter Luepke, the newest Swiss Army knife from North Dakota State, where he played fullback, tailback, tight end, caught passes and even took Wildcat snaps at quarterback. Oh, and guarantee you if Luepke makes the team he will be a constant on special teams."

I never understood not liking flex players. I mean the rams use Aaron Donald at DT and DE. A guy that can do multiple things is valuable. I do like guys on the oline, in their rookie year developing at one position before trying to develop at another. But that’s really about perfecting technique, and footwork which is so key on the oline

 

[jazzcat22]

I never understood not liking flex players. I mean the rams use Aaron Donald at DT and DE. A guy that can do multiple things is valuable. I do like guys on the oline, in their rookie year developing at one position before trying to develop at another. But that’s really about perfecting technique, and footwork which is so key on the oline

I think some don't like it because of Garrett. As when they tried to do it, it didn't really work.
Tyrone Crawford is one example. I think he could have been much better if they left him at one position. But they constantly moved him around, and it was not effective.

Quinn seems to have it figured out though. So that is more acceptable now.

I do believe you should allow most rookies, get good at what they do before moving them around to much. Depending on the complexity of the scheme. You do have a few that are exceptions. Such as Micah. Kearse also, however he has been in the NFL long enough to know different schemes and adjusted well and knew Quinn's system, or the basics of this one.

I read before where Tom Landry's Fles Defense was extremely hard to learn and took a good 3 years to understand all of it. As to where it became 2nd nature. Now back then you had a player for life if you wanted them. So they had time to develop and retain. Now you don't have that. Most players are here 3 or 4 years before you can possibly lose them to FA.

 

[JayFord]

I think some don't like it because of Garrett. As when they tried to do it, it didn't really work.
Tyrone Crawford is one example. I think he could have been much better if they left him at one position. But they constantly moved him around, and it was not effective.

Quinn seems to have it figured out though. So that is more acceptable now.

I do believe you should allow most rookies, get good at what they do before moving them around to much. Depending on the complexity of the scheme. You do have a few that are exceptions. Such as Micah. Kearse also, however he has been in the NFL long enough to know different schemes and adjusted well and knew Quinn's system, or the basics of this one.

I read before where Tom Landry's Fles Defense was extremely hard to learn and took a good 3 years to understand all of it. As to where it became 2nd nature. Now back then you had a player for life if you wanted them. So they had time to develop and retain. Now you don't have that. Most players are here 3 or 4 years before you can possibly lose them to FA.

Jason Garrett didnt know how to flex players and when he tried it he wasnt any good at it

all he really knew was his plays....he probably wouldve still been our coach if he could adapt probably wouldve had alot more success

 

[MarcusRock]

Your post is exactly why. You just proved my point.
The USUALS...the ones that do not like Mickey will not read it and just post their USUAL crap. Not adding anything to the thread.
Just like your post.

If I had come in and said "Mickey sucks, therefore all he writes, including this, sucks" I would have proved your point. But my point was only asking why the antagonistic sentence was necessary in the first place instead of just presenting the information for people to agree with or not on their own instead of trying to predict negative responses. Who cares what negative stuff could arise? It might not actually. Just trying to be helpful but I see it wasn't received that way.

 

[jazzcat22]

If I had come in and said "Mickey sucks, therefore all he writes, including this, sucks" I would have proved your point. But my point was only asking why the antagonistic sentence was necessary in the first place instead of just presenting the information for people to agree with or not on their own instead of trying to predict negative responses. Who cares what negative stuff could arise? It might not actually. Just trying to be helpful but I see it wasn't received that way.

Because you know exactly what would happen…again you are proving my point. …not so much against Mickey but against me. As Usual.
Take your own advice.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think eventually the NFL will go the route of the NBA

back when i was growing up seeing a Center or Power Forward bring the ball up the court wouldve been lunacy...now theres really no 1-5 positions anymore i mean there are but its noting to see A big man bring the ball up the court shoot threes and make Allen Iverson type crossovers.

This is a really good point. The NFL is changing more to flexible football roles every year.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Don't forget Powerful one yard specialist.

Lol right.. we need one!!!! if he gets more than a yard we need to find another one though

 

[JayFord]

Don't forget Powerful one yard specialist.

I hope Hunter can be that

IDC what the NFL evolves into i want a Pure FB that can get me one yard at all times on the roster

im talking a rough man who cuts down trees and eats brisket for breakfast ....

by the end of the year his stats would look like 40 carries 80 yards and 12 touchdowns.....

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Although I'm no fan of Mick and I think the article is just pointing out that despite ones physical metrics some guys are plain and simply "football players". Maybe that just have the heart for the game. We've all seen these guys. Bill Bates is the most glaring Cowboy example.

You military and former battlefield guys, you know guys that you knew you knew who wanted to be near in battle. The football guys are the same and they use the term "Dawg" now-a-days.

Give me a guy with the heart of a warrior ! 215 lb DE (although I've seen him listed mostly at 230ish) who wants to disrupt and be a killah is good. And Quinn sees that trait and goes for it. It's why he wanted, and we resigned, Donovan Wilson. Wilson "wants it" . . . bad ! It's why we took Overshown earlier than the "experts" said we should have. He a dawg !

So this Mick Shot is OK, I'm kool with it !

 

[diamonddelts]

Lol right.. we need one!!!! if he gets more than a yard we need to find another one though

Lmao. Yep.

 

[diamonddelts]

I hope Hunter can be that

IDC what the NFL evolves into i want a Pure FB that can get me one yard at all times on the roster

im talking a rough man who cuts down trees and eats brisket for breakfast ....

by the end of the year his stats would look like 40 carries 80 yards and 12 touchdowns.....

Like the good ol' 80s and 90s.

 

[diamonddelts]

https://www.google.com/search?clien...biw=412&bih=753&dpr=2.63#imgrc=Q7VglxSj9ozADM

 

[ShortRound]

Why do this? Why not just post stuff and let the thread unfold how it will unfold? Not sure why people post and then call out the "haters" or the "homers" in the initial post as if they're looking over their shoulder as they type the words. Isn't that what's meant by in one's head "rent free?" People don't like Mickey, people don't like Broaddus but it's no damnation on the people who bring the information here. It's just information to be parsed and agreed with or not. Y'all need to stop caring about what others will think before they've thought it. Football can be stressful. Posting shouldn't be. I mean it turns out it is to some, but it can be helped. This is one such way. Just a helpful suggestion.

Old hateful people, both sides

 

[StarOfGlory]

I think eventually the NFL will go the route of the NBA

back when i was growing up seeing a Center or Power Forward bring the ball up the court wouldve been lunacy...now theres really no 1-5 positions anymore i mean there are but its noting to see A big man bring the ball up the court shoot threes and make Allen Iverson type crossovers

The NFL will always have QBs be the QB and Olinemen being olinemen the RB and WR's role can change at anytime because they can switch some Wrs can play running back on plays CeeDee does it, Anquan Bolden has done it and Deebo is famous for doing it

on the defensive side is where it can get BONKERS there are legit some defensive ends that can flex out to strong safety if they wanted to...the difference these days between linebacker and safety is PAPER THIN i think Micah could play free safety if he wanted too....Isiah Simmons def could play safety (and might be better there) and Jamal Adams is a Linebacker his official position is safety but all who watch him hes basically in the same role as Micah parsons he lines up either in the box or on the edge

No one in the NBA, let alone a big, is making A.I-type crossovers, lol. Kyrie is the closest.

But your point about having certain body types be versatile enough to play multiple positions I believe is on point. One day, we will have players who are just effective in multiple roles. I do think it is more difficult in the NFL, as the positions are more specialized then they are in the NBA. But the quality of athletes is there.

 

[DanA]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-expanding-pure-football-player-roles

Actually a good article here, but I know the usuals will not read it.

Some good quotes by Dan Quinn about the versatility and puts a new light on the dreaded "flex" players.
Also talks about players on offense and any dual roles / positions they can line up.

About Hunter Luepke as he writes:
"And watch out for undrafted rookie fullback Hunter Luepke, the newest Swiss Army knife from North Dakota State, where he played fullback, tailback, tight end, caught passes and even took Wildcat snaps at quarterback. Oh, and guarantee you if Luepke makes the team he will be a constant on special teams."

It's not a good article. It could have been a good article if he researched and written properly but it's full of rubbish cheerleading and bad points. Sure, Mikey makes a comment about Leupke, I've now seen a dozen pundits and 100 posters make the same argument. But while Mikey had the opportunity to research it by walking down the hallway and asking a coach how they felt about Leupke and what elements they might incorporate he just regurgitates other people's opinions. I guarantee he hasn't studied game footage and come to that conclusion himself.

And then there is the patterned Mikey condescension to the fans:

"Now there seems the vacant left guard spot is overly creating concern out there. But you see drafted offensive tackle Josh Ball now competing for the starting guard spot. You see 2021 drafted guard Matt Farniok, having been moved to center as a rookie, now back competing at guard. Oh, and this year's fifth-round pick, Asim Richards, who pronounces his name "Awesome," a tackle at North Carolina, taking snaps during the rookie minicamp at left guard, and wouldn't it be something if indeed he was "awesome" there."

• Josh Ball is making the move as a last-ditch effort to stay on an NFL roster
• Farniok is a former 6th-round pick that has been mediocre at best in cameos
• Asim is a 5th-round pick and which should typically start

Fobbing LG as a position people are "overly creating concern" about is disingenuous. None of the options he's stated can realistically be considered solutions. They are backups and a hail Mary's chance of starting. I'm all for a healthy churning of the bottom of the roster to uncork the next Terrence Steele (which is what this is) but they aren't options any impartial persons serve up them as solutions and say fans should be concerned? And there in lies the problem, Mikey is never even close to impartial.