Felix Hurt... Again

anj113;4714333 said:
But but I thought he was too good to god forbid to be mention to get cut in camp. That's all I heard how crazy that was. The guy is a total non factor. Waste of a 1st round pick

Yup, and now who looks stupid? I was telling everyone here we should have traded him while other teams out there thought he was still good. The guy is mentally and physically weak. He showed up to camp and couldn't even pass the basic fitness test. Then the little homers started making excuses for him left and right.
 
jnday;4713989 said:
The Felix defenders are running out of excuses. He is one of a few players that needs to go and the team will be better for it. I think the last year of the three year plan will take of these problems. I just hope they are traded instead of being cut.

What excuses are needed? Do you need a reminder of what he has done in past seasons or do you prefer to jump off a ledge after the first game of the season?

I would think Ogletree's performance would staunch some of the ledge-jumping around here, but you guys always seem to be looking for one.
 
gimmesix;4714876 said:
What excuses are needed? Do you need a reminder of what he has done in past seasons or do you prefer to jump off a ledge after the first game of the season?

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DavidAK;4714215 said:
Dude is made of glass.

Get Tanner out there with the first team.

The same Tanner who has missed significant time twice already?

Our best course of action is to get Felix right and hope he can contribute later this year.

He can't be done yet. It doesn't make sense from a physiological point of view. He is 25 and hasn't absorbed a lot of hits yet. I don't know if it is all from the shoulder surgery as I don't know how extensive of a procedure he had.

He still can be a weapon for us if we can get him right. Tanner can't replace him. Maybe Dunbar can do some of the things he can but he won't be ready to produce for us this year.

We look like legit contenders this year. I don't care about a 7th round draft pick next year if we're giving up a potential major contributor. Murray is not known for his durability either so we need options to back him up and we don't have anything right now behind Felix that can do it.
 
Eskimo;4714899 said:
The same Tanner who has missed significant time twice already?

Our best course of action is to get Felix right and hope he can contribute later this year.

He can't be done yet. It doesn't make sense from a physiological point of view. He is 25 and hasn't absorbed a lot of hits yet. I don't know if it is all from the shoulder surgery as I don't know how extensive of a procedure he had.

He still can be a weapon for us if we can get him right. Tanner can't replace him. Maybe Dunbar can do some of the things he can but he won't be ready to produce for us this year.

We look like legit contenders this year. I don't care about a 7th round draft pick next year if we're giving up a potential major contributor. Murray is not known for his durability either so we need options to back him up and we don't have anything right now behind Felix that can do it.


If I recall correctly, Cowboys put Tanner on IR too early last year, when it wasn't a serious injury. And he missed like 2-3 weeks with a hand injury this season.

Also, when Tanner played in the preseason, he looked like a man possessed. Refusing to go down and breaking tackles. Meanwhile Felix looks slow, overweight and disinterested....
 
Just part ways with Felix already and lets see what Dunbar can do.
 
ufcrules1;4714896 said:
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Yes, you're one of the main ones.

Despite playing with a busted shoulder, Jones averaged 4.5 yards per carry for us last year.

Despite only returning seven kickoffs, he averaged 26.6 yards per return and returned one 69 yards.

But he failed his conditioning test after recuperating from shoulder surgery, so write him off.

He didn't return any of three whole kickoffs more than 25 yards, so write him off.

The stupidity around here sometimes is mind-boggling.
 
GimmeTheBall!;4714594 said:
Even Bob Dole knew that! that others were more better worthy.:mad:

But as ah recall it, ever one here was shouting for Darren McFadden.

Actually, a few of us liked Ray Rice...

:p:
 
fifaguy;4714907 said:
If I recall correctly, Cowboys put Tanner on IR too early last year, when it wasn't a serious injury. And he missed like 2-3 weeks with a hand injury this season.

Also, when Tanner played in the preseason, he looked like a man possessed. Refusing to go down and breaking tackles. Meanwhile Felix looks slow, overweight and disinterested....

The same Felix who burst through the hole and averaged 5.7 yards per carry in Dallas' dress rehearsal?

He dropped a few balls, so people are down on him, but considering he hasn't really been able to use his arms since last season, what exactly were people expecting?
 
gimmesix;4714943 said:
The same Felix who burst through the hole and averaged 5.7 yards per carry in Dallas' dress rehearsal?

He dropped a few balls, so people are down on him, but considering he hasn't really been able to use his arms since last season, what exactly were people expecting?

lol.. You are either trying to troll us or you are truly one of Felix's few last holdouts around here. I admire your homerism though. Go ahead... homer on.
 
I gave up on Felix Jones two years ago. I agree get rid of him already.
 
Cut Felix and sign Dunbar. At the very least Dunbar is a better return.
 
It's hard for a running back to demonstrate his skills and ability when he doesn't get the football. 0 rushes... 2 off target throws... Jones popped off a good 12 yard run on his 6th carry against the improved Rams run defense (last pre-season game). You would never know it unless you watched the game, but Jones had more rushing yards and total yards from scrimmage than Murray did in that game. Jones played his best game when he touched the football more.

Jones' 73T against the Eagles came on his 12th carry.

Jones' 40 yard run against Washington came on his 13th carry.

Jones' 38 yard run against Tampa Bay came on his 11th carry.

Jones' 71T against the Giants came on his 10th touch.

Before Jones exploded and outran the Giants defense on that 71 yard bomb, the DFW media had been spewing the same utterly ridiculous garbage that they have been spewing recently. That play marked the first time that Jones had enough room to turn on the super jets. Jones ranked 4th in greater than 10 yard runs per rush in 2010 (tied with LeSean McCoy).

The last time Felix had 0 rushes in a game was last Thanksgiving. The DFW media sure was happy back then, too. Jones' kickoff numbers were worse in the Dolphins game. However, the very next week, Jones ripped off a 69 yard return when he had some room to run. Jones returned 3 kicks for 112 yards against the Cardinals. He rushed 6-36 (6.0 YPC), and the Cardinals were lucky that Jones didn't get the football in that game. (Randy Galloway was the only DFW media member who asked if Jones should have touched the football more in this game). Of course, Bryan Broaddus said no. When Murray went down against the Giants, Jones hung 137 total yards on them (22 touches). Jones hung 131 total yards on Tampa Bay (25 touches) the next week. He was pulled in the Eagles game (4-24; 6.0 YPC). The run blocking had significantly improved while Felix was out, too. It's amazing what getting the football can do for Felix Jones. What a concept. It's nice to have a little bit of room, too.

In this last game, I was just glad Felix protected the football on the kickoffs. Jones got hit in the ribs on one of his kickoffs, but I saw Dez Bryant get his leg broken. I saw the Titans kickoff return man break his leg recently. I saw Tyson Thompson have his career end on a late hit out of bounds. I'm not too thrilled about Felix returning kicks, and those plays are the only ones that make me nervous. Poor blocking can get someone hurt. It's a dangerous job. If I was Jones' agent, I wouldn't like it, either.

I don't think the DFW media or some of the former Barber and Choice fans or some of the DFW fans or some of the Texas fans or some of the bash Jerry Jones at whatever cost fans can view this player in an objective light. That's not going to happen when the player is viciously despised.

I've never seen a player bashed so much after he didn't even get a single carry or offensive touch. The treatment during the pre-season was unbelievable. The DFW media and some fans sure spend a whole lot of time smearing Felix Jones. If Felix isn't any good (like they say), why do they put so much effort into smearing him? I think some people don't want any competition for their new boy toy, Murray. It goes deeper than that, though.

Not all of the Cowboys fan base is ignorant or extremely biased. I've seen some scattered support for Jones on this board. That is nice to see.

I'd have Felix in Detroit yesterday if I could do it. Matthew Stafford, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Pettigrew, Felix Jones.... Bring on the Cowboys...
 
If Bryan Broaddus was a current Cowboys scout, he probably would have been arguing against keeping Kevin Ogletree. Ogletree's press has been negative, so I honestly didn't know what to expect out of him. I'm not at the practices every day. Ogletree has made some plays when he has been given some limited opportunities. It's just one game, but it was a big one. If you are not on the team, you can't make those plays in the first game. I hope Ogletree keeps it up and earns him some money. I'm glad he lit the Giants up.

Broaddus would be comfortable with moving Felix Jones and playing Phillip Tanner. Hardly news.... Tanner looks like a special teams player to me. Lance Dunbar is a developmental practice squad player. He's not a 1 or a 2 right now, either.

If I was Felix Jones' agent, I'd want Felix Jones in Detroit right now. Who knows, maybe he tried to get Jones out of Dallas. I sure hope so. I could see some teams being interested in acquiring Jones for sure, so I wasn't surprised when I heard about Detroit's interest. Detroit was one of my listed teams. I wonder if the Packers would want Detroit to get Jones, because the Packers are very suspect at RB. Jones would be a great fit for both teams.

It's too bad that Tanner and Dunbar are not nearly as good as Broaddus has hyped them up to be. If they were, Jones could be in a place like Detroit right now. I bet the Lions would have plenty of offensive touches for Felix Jones, and I bet they would love his all around game (including pass protection). Jones is a solid, explosive, dynamic player. He deserves to play somewhere. That is for sure.

The Cowboys are desperate to get to the Super Bowl and win it now. That is why quality starting caliber players like Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins are still in Dallas and not in a place like Detroit. Dallas' current window is closing every year that goes by. Romo is 32. Ware is 30. Those guys can't play forever. The Cowboys don't want to lose their quality depth at those two positions, especially at that RB spot.

I don't think this is the last crow that a member of the Dallas media will eat this season. If # 28 gets out of his annual jail cell, he will make his statement on the football field, just like every single year.
 
Hudson Houck called Felix Jones a "solid starter", and he stated the Cowboys "had two starters". Jonathan Stewart just received significant money to re-sign with Carolina. So, he is off the free agent market next year. Felix's numbers compare very favorably to Stewart's during the last three seasons. Both running backs have shared carries for 4 years, and Stewart was the back taken before Felix Jones.

Here are the 2009-2011 rushing yards for Felix Jones and Jonathan Stewart:

Felix Jones: 2277

Jonathan Stewart: 2664

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games are included*


Here are the 2009-2011 rushes for Felix Jones and Jonathan Stewart:

Jones: 458

Stewart: 541

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games are included*


Career Yards per Carry:

Felix Jones 5.2 YPC

Jonathan Stewart 4.8 YPC

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games included*


Career Total Yards from Scrimmage:

Felix Jones: 594-3395 (5.7 YPT)

Jonathan Stewart: 812-4253 (5.2 YPT)

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games are included*




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Position Defended:

Why compare Jones and Stewart?

Felix Jones has much more value than some think, and I used the 3-year Jonathan Stewart comparison to statistically show that. Jonathan Stewart is a very good back, and Felix Jones' numbers during the past three seasons are right there with Stewart. That is a legitimate comparison, and the numbers take any potential bias out of the equation. If people don't want to acknowledge it, they have the right to do so.

Why use the past three years (2009-2011) for the comparison?

Why do you count Felix Jones' 2 playoff games?

Felix Jones only played 6 games in 2008, and he was a leader for Rookie of the Year before he missed the final 10 games. Jones put up 30-266-3 (8.9 YPC; LG 60T). Stewart played that entire year, so comparing the past 3 years (for Jones and Stewart) makes the comparison fair to Felix Jones. Furthermore, it is the most recent 3 years, and that should matter.

In 2009, Stewart rushed the football 221 times (16 games). In 2009, Jones rushed the football 146 times during the regular and post-season (16/18 games). Adding those 2 playoff games, against 2 playoff caliber defenses, gives Felix 16 games for 2009, just like Stewart accrued. That makes the comparison for that year more fair. Jones was the 3rd leading rusher in the playoffs (30-217-1) (7.2 YPC; LG 73T). Again, those 2 games, for Felix, were played against playoff caliber defenses (Eagles and Vikings). I think any team wanting to sign Jones in free agency should acknowledge the 16/18 games. With all due respect, those games were not played against the 2011 Rams or 2011 Bills.

146-902-4 (6.2 YPC) (LG 73T)

169-1073-4 (6.3 YPT) (LG 73T)

202-1799-4 (All-Purpose Yards) (8.9 YPT)

Those are Felix Jones' real 2009 statistics (16/18 games; including 2 playoff games). If playoff performance isn't a good measure for player value, something is wrong. I'm pretty confident that Felix's agent knows those real 2009 statistics, and I'm pretty sure NFL teams will be reminded of those 2 playoff games.

Why didn't you list touchdowns?

As far as the touchdowns go, I think you fail to acknowledge Marion Barber's big contract and Tashard Choice. Moreover, how many offensive linemen were replaced after 2010? How many new offensive line positions do the Cowboys have this year? Obviously, Marion Barber was the primary red-zone back for quite a while. In 2010, Barber and Choice took a significant number of those carries; but Jones was statistically Dallas' best red-zone back. The short yardage/red-zone run blocking has been an issue for a long time. How many TDs did Murray get last year? Jones is certainly capable of punching it in if given some better red-zone run blocking. His first NFL carry was a red-zone TD (11 yards), right up the middle. That was a 9-62 game for Jones. The 2008 offensive line was significantly better than the significantly deteriorated, old 2010 line, too.

Doesn't Jonathan Stewart have a poor team or supporting cast?

The Panthers have one of the best LT and C in the NFL. Their life has been the run, so they have to be good at it. Their guard play couldn't have been worse than 2010 Davis and Kosier or 2011 Nagy/Dockery and Kosier. Plus, they didn't have a done 2010 Colombo at RT. Now, Cam Newton is there, and I expect him to become the best player in the NFL in a short time. The Panthers made the playoffs in 2008, but Stewart was a non-factor in their one game.

2010 was perhaps Jones' best year. While Felix was doing the vast majority of his damage (during the second half of the season), Jon Kitna and Stephen McGee were at QB. Miles Austin dropped 11 passes. Roy Williams was on the road to being re-leased. Dez Bryant was a rookie and was hurt in the Colts game. Again, the 2010 offensive line was significantly deteriorated and old (Davis, Colombo, and Gurode were re-leased in the off-season). Kosier could have been easily re-placed as well.

On Felix Jones' durability:

Felix has only missed 6 games during the past 3 seasons, and he has certainly proven to be more durable than given credit for. Recent history shows that. Just look at how many games some of the other high-profile running backs have missed, especially last year. It's primarily a two back league for a reason. It's a violent game, and RB is a very physically demanding position. Having said that, Felix has missed 16 games; but he has a fifth year on his contract. Before Jones hits the open market, he has an opportunity to play another season.

Production, Demand, Other Contracts, and Potential (Free Agency)

Contracts in the NFL are based off other contracts. Production plays a part in that. Felix's last three seasons compare very favorably with Stewart's last three seasons. That is a plus for Felix right now. Both players have shared carries with their respective teams. Importantly, potential is certainly a part of that evaluation, too. Again, Hudson Houck called Felix Jones a "solid starter".

I'm sure teams like Green Bay, New England, Denver, and Detroit would heavily value a player like Felix Jones. Cut Jones now, and watch those teams go after him, now. You sure can't rule out the Giants or Commanders, either.

Felix Jones sure has more value than the extremely biased Dallas media and some biased, delusional fans try to portray. Cutting one of your best players is beyond stupid, especially when the team is desperate to win now.

The football has been withheld from Jones every year in Dallas, so we shall see how many opportunities he gets this season. I think Bill Callahan could be an x-factor in Jones' favor. Certainly, that is going to be important for him before he hits the open market. Felix is certainly capable of doing extreme damage in the 150-170 rush range, and that should bolster his value in free agency. Furthermore, it keeps his already very low mileage, low.
 
I wouldn't doubt if 28 Joker is in fact Felix himself. Give it a rest man! Everyone can see it.. something is very off with Felix and he cannot be trusted.
 
The great Calvin Watkins (ESPN Dallas)...AKA the guy who wanted to coach the team and fight Jay Ratliff...

stated that Jones was at 215 weeks ago. He wrote about it. Do I need to go get it? That has been his playing weight for the last 3 years. You have to love how some of the typical, faceless minions constantly regurgitate the DFW media's extremely biased, totally false talking points.

In 2008, Jones was listed at 212. In 2009, Jones was listed at 216. In 2010, Jones was listed at 220. However, Jones gave a 2010 interview with an Oklahoma based media outlet (website). In that early October interview (around the time of the Titans game (a 109 yard rushing game for Jones), Jones stated that he weighted 215. Also, Felix stated that he averaged 215 in 2009. Jones has consistently played in that 215 range.
 
Way too much overreaction--its week one. An injury to Murray is still possible, leaving us with all UDFA Rbs. Hold the phone, people!
 

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