Felix Jones needs to become a larger part of this offense.

[Galian Beast]

I think most would agree that Felix Jones is better than Marion Barber. I would go as far as to say trade up or release Marion Barber. I would love to get something for him, but I'm not really sure that we could at this point.

Felix Jones and Tashard Choice were and are better than Barber.

I've been harping on the fact that we need to expand Felix's role. People say he doesn't have the stamina to be a full time running back, but I don't know where that conclusion comes from.

What I'd like to see is Felix used a lot like Philadelphia used Westbrook over the years.

Westbrook would be targeted for passes 8-10 times per game, where as Jones is targeted at most 4 times per game.

In 2007 he had 6 receptions per game. In 2007 he was getting 18.5 carries per game.

The idea of running back by committee, might be a bit overplayed. At least with the idea of running three different running backs. The most teams split carries between two backs not three. And if we're splitting carries between two backs, I want that to be Jones and Choice, not barber.

And if we keep Barber. I'm hoping we just use him in the role that we used him in before. The closer.

His best year was 2007 when he split carries with Julius Jones (and despite Jones being the starter, Barber actually got more carries).

Here are his 2007 splits

Carries by quarter

1st OTR - 34
2nd QTR - 49
3rd QTR - 42
4th QTR - 79

His average INCREASED by quarter.

He is a shadow compared to his former barbarian self.

Here are some key differences in something he used to excel in.

2007
3rd & Short - 6.9YPC
3rd & 0-2 - 15 carries, 109 yards 7.3YPC


2009
3rd & Short - 3.1YPC
3rd & 0-2 - 18 carries, 66 yards, 3.7YPC

Note: Don't think that because he YPC is 3.7 that means he still making these first downs under 2 yards, considering runs that go for more than 4 yards, and realize he isn't as effective as he needs to be.

I would put up his averages during certain downs, but im tired of posting the same stats. He clearly isn't the same running back. Another player who we should let out to pasture before its too late.

He is turning 27 this year, but already has the wear and tear of a running back at 30.

 

[BigDFan5]

Felix > MB3 > Choice

 

[Galian Beast]

Felix > MB3 > Choice

I dont know how you can argue that Barber is better than Choice at this point.

 

[BHendri5]

I agree we need more of Felix, but I believe we need more T. Choice than we need Felix and MB3. Actually take what we can get for Barber, find another RB in the draft, 4th round has been good to us, or if we can get a back sooner than the 4th.

We just need to go with the 2 headed monster. I would prefer to start Choice, but if Jones starts it does not matter because Choice will get more than a lions share of carries with Barber out of the picture.

 

[jobberone]

It's too soon to write Barber off. I want to see how he performs post injury this fall. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Felix > MB3 > Choice

When all three are healthy I agree

 

[casmith07]

I hope Barber can stay healthy this year. Too bad the NFL wrote in a stiff-arm rule especially for him.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

I think most would agree that Felix Jones is better than Marion Barber. I would go as far as to say trade up or release Marion Barber. I would love to get something for him, but I'm not really sure that we could at this point.

Felix Jones and Tashard Choice were and are better than Barber.

I've been harping on the fact that we need to expand Felix's role. People say he doesn't have the stamina to be a full time running back, but I don't know where that conclusion comes from.

What I'd like to see is Felix used a lot like Philadelphia used Westbrook over the years.

Westbrook would be targeted for passes 8-10 times per game, where as Jones is targeted at most 4 times per game.

In 2007 he had 6 receptions per game. In 2007 he was getting 18.5 carries per game.

The idea of running back by committee, might be a bit overplayed. At least with the idea of running three different running backs. The most teams split carries between two backs not three. And if we're splitting carries between two backs, I want that to be Jones and Choice, not barber.

And if we keep Barber. I'm hoping we just use him in the role that we used him in before. The closer.

His best year was 2007 when he split carries with Julius Jones (and despite Jones being the starter, Barber actually got more carries).

Here are his 2007 splits

Carries by quarter

1st OTR - 34
2nd QTR - 49
3rd QTR - 42
4th QTR - 79

His average INCREASED by quarter.

He is a shadow compared to his former barbarian self.

Here are some key differences in something he used to excel in.

2007
3rd & Short - 6.9YPC
3rd & 0-2 - 15 carries, 109 yards 7.3YPC


2009
3rd & Short - 3.1YPC
3rd & 0-2 - 18 carries, 66 yards, 3.7YPC

Note: Don't think that because he YPC is 3.7 that means he still making these first downs under 2 yards, considering runs that go for more than 4 yards, and realize he isn't as effective as he needs to be.

I would put up his averages during certain downs, but im tired of posting the same stats. He clearly isn't the same running back. Another player who we should let out to pasture before its too late.

He is turning 27 this year, but already has the wear and tear of a running back at 30.

lol tell us something we don't know... If you watched the last 3 games of the season, I would think you would've realized it looks like the coaches finally get it & understand who puts us in the best position to win games..

 

[big dog cowboy]

And if we keep Barber

There isn't any question MBIII will be a Dallas Cowboy this season.

All the Barber haters should just get over it already. The guy is still a good RB when healthy.

Trade or cut Barber threads = :horse:

 

[Mansta54]

FJ should be the starter and get the bulk of the work, TC should be next inline to relieve FJ, and MBIII should close the games out..

 

[ZeroClub]

I don't need to see Felix Jones become "the work horse" next season.

I'm o.k. with continuing to limit his touches early in the season so that he is fresh and ready to roll in November and later.

The team could use another playmaker (e.g., McCluster) and needs 3 quality RBs.

 

[Four]

barber is the best all around back on this team by a MILE.

felix is the best runner.

choice is somewhere between barber and felix.

this whole issue is stupid.

P.S. Galian, stop starting new threads every 5 seconds to ***** about the team. We get it, you hate the team and every move they make. Say it all in one thread. Easier to avoid you that way.

 

[Galian Beast]

barber is the best all around back on this team by a MILE.

felix is the best runner.

choice is somewhere between barber and felix.

this whole issue is stupid.

P.S. Galian, stop starting new threads every 5 seconds to ***** about the team. We get it, you hate the team and every move they make. Say it all in one thread. Easier to avoid you that way.

On the contrary four, I see how good the team is, yet realize how great they could be.

We were 2nd in the nfl in yards per game, behind new orleans by about 4 yards per game, yet when it came to scoring we were 14th...

I look directly at the offensive line, marion barber, and roy williams for that.

And on defense we were #2 in points allowed per game, yet 9th in yards allowed. And it wasn't our run defense that brought us down. We were 20th against the pass.

 

[Four]

all you do is complain then say " I love the team so much it hurts"

That's bs, you and I both know you aren't a fan of anything but stirring up crap on internet forums.

you only complain, nothing is good enough, and you pepper the forum with your negativity whenever you get that urge in you.

do you man, but don't be in denial about it.

you also don't watch the games, you may tune in on sunday, but you don't watch football. You don't know a thing about how the game works and how it is played, you key in on stats tunnel vision out and forget the game isn't played on the stat sheet.

have a good one, ima stop talking now.

 

[Galian Beast]

This guy thinks we won the last 4 super bowls or something.

 

[burmafrd]

MB will not be traded due to the contract Jerruh gave him. And sadly it is true he is not what he was two years ago. everyone from Emmit Smith on down told him he had to change his style or be a short term NFL player. He has gotten beaten down and its obvious. I think that he can still be a good RB just not what he was. Have to laugh at those that claimed because he was supposedly delivering the hits the constant collisions would not wear him down. MORONS. Whether giving or receiving the body is still taking punishment and its cumulative.

 

[Eskimo]

I agree that Felix needs to become the starter because he brings an explosive element that our offense lacks. It will force defenses to bring their safeties up which should open things up a bit more for Miles.

I do agree on not overworking Felix. I would hope for about 15 carries per game and maybe 4 receptions per game. Whatever is left over could be split between Choice and Barber - hopefully another 15 or so carries.

I think Garrett needs to re-think our running game a bit with Felix as the primary back. We need more plays to get him in space and as we re-develop the OL, I hope he re-envisions it as one that can make blocks on the move.

 

[dbair1967]

P.S. Galian, stop starting new threads every 5 seconds to ***** about the team. We get it, you hate the team and every move they make. Say it all in one thread. Easier to avoid you that way.

:laugh2:

 

[mmillman]

Dallas needs to settle on two backs and get some value out of the third. My worst nightmare on this situation is Dallas fiddles around and doesn't really get Felix enough carries, Barber is on a downhill slope getting slower and Choice leaves under free agency.

 

[Doomsday]

I hope Barber can stay healthy this year. Too bad the NFL wrote in a stiff-arm rule especially for him.

I was thinking about that the other day, I think that really hurt him a lot last season. He didnt break nearly as many tackles as he had the previous seasons and I dont recall seeing him using a stiff arm nearly as much. He use to use it quite a bit to help get him to the outside in the past.