Twitter: Fisher draft leftovers re: Hitchens, Ealy, and Crichton

[Alexander]

What's funny is I've come to like Hitchens as a player.

But the logic behind the pick just makes me angry. They literally did the exact same thing in 2009. Drafting backup and special teamers when other major needs should take priority

It just goes to show you they were worried about special teams units and how the depth on the roster especially at linebacker plays into that. I know Hitchens plays on punt coverage.

 

[Alexander]

Plus who on earth really believes you are drafting guys who are going to come in and start immediately in the fourth round? Just about every guy taken in those rounds projects to someone who you hope develops into starting material. Where are all these late round starters?

I think the general point is there probably could have been a little more thought given to the pick since it was only our third of the draft.

The first three rounds are where the meat of most teams are made up from. But there is not some magical rule of availability and talent that states that once the fourth round begins, the talent automatically drops below starting potential. It just means that for the most part, teams have addressed the top three or so needs earlier and make efforts to shore up specific depth areas.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think the general point is there probably could have been a little more thought given to the pick since it was only our third of the draft.

The first three rounds are where the meat of most teams are made up from. But there is not some magical rule of availability and talent that states that once the fourth round begins, the talent automatically drops below starting potential. It just means that for the most part, teams have addressed the top three or so needs earlier and make efforts to shore up specific depth areas.

I think my point is that the assumption that the team doesn't have a plan or didn't think about this pick seems unwarranted as you cannot possibly know what sort of evaluation took place.

You could make the same point about how the Seahawks picked -- as I noted in another post, they took a ton of guys who had weak grades. But most pundits are hailing them as having had a great draft.

Finally, I don't see how you don't see LB as a top three need. Clearly from the crew we were putting out there last year, LB is a huge need.

 

[DBOY3141]

I think my point is that the assumption that the team doesn't have a plan or didn't think about this pick seems unwarranted as you cannot possibly know what sort of evaluation took place.

You could make the same point about how the Seahawks picked -- as I noted in another post, they took a ton of guys who had weak grades. But most pundits are hailing them as having had a great draft.

Finally, I don't see how you don't see LB as a top three need. Clearly from the crew we were putting out there last year, LB is a huge need.

LB is a huge need, they were going to spend the #1 on Shazier. That says it all. Hope the best for Hinchens, big time production from a big school, hope he makes it here, we need him.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

But I'd still like to see some of the post 4th rounders make a push for a starting position in a year or two. That's how we build the team. All too often, Jerry Jones picked players to specifically be backups. That's a poor approach. We need players who we deem possible to start a few years down the line.

I think there are several post 4th-rounders that will push for starting jobs in a year or two.

 

[Tobal]

Don't people get tired of saying this? You absolutely don't know this and rely on mocks and evaluations from sites that do very little work on mid-to-late round prospects.

We'd be hearing the same thing had we gotten Shazier in the first. "We could have had him later... should have traded back"

I'd be one of the guys saying it.

 

[Chuck 54]

As we have seen before, if you don't have a backup at Mike, when your starter needs a breather, gets dinged in a game, or even misses some time, you end up throwing the entire LB corps out of wack moving other starters to that spot. On day three of the draft, there's nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[casmith07]

Leave it to this place to incessantly ***** about a fourth round draft choice.

 

[visionary]

In my opinion, the Cowboys primary objective during the first two days of the draft was to come out of the draft with a starting RDE. There were only two realistic candidates, Barr and Lawrence. They were going to do everything they could to get one of these two players.

When you get fixated on a couple of players in the draft, that is usually a recipe for disaster

 

[Doc50]

I didn't like this pick, but no we don't know if we could have had him. All it takes is one of the 31 other teams to want him and he's gone. To me the real question you ask is if we don't pick this guy can we find someone with similar ability if he's taken?

Frederick was better than any other center, they really needed him they didn't think they could find a center later in the draft or after cuts that could do what he could..... Same with Demarcus Lawrence this yr.....

Hitchens to me seems to be the guy you take the chance that he will be there later because he just doesn't seem to be special to me. FWIW which isn't much.

I hear you, but Marinelli wanted him and evidently thought he was special, without other viable options later on.

The coaches were all committed to these picks, so their reputation rises and falls with these players' careers.

I really think that Jerry was less of a factor than in any other draft.

 

[CyberB0b]

I guess it makes people feel better about the choice to pretend we did not pick a reserve. Jerry Jones has said it, Stephen Jones has said it, practically every source has stated that Lee is not moving anywhere.

Drafting backups and special teamers reminds me of 2009. With that said, I don't expect a 4th rounder to push any starter out of his spot, unless it is maybe Hayden.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Ealys' potential as a football player that could line up and match up as a 3 down DL is sufficient enough to draft him as a starter, Lawrence is a true RE that can pack on alot more than 250 Dee Ford pounds..... and Lawrence in near 270lbs since his 253lbs weight @ the NFL Combine, which the Cowboys knew because of his count em' three (3) Pre-Draft visits.

 

[theSHOW]

Gee a sports news outlet's ratings. They spend far more time on the early round guys. For like three rounds I stared at the same names on their "best available" - one guy who was on the list since late in the 2nd went 200th overall.

These are not rankings anyone should think reflect reality

Jeffcoat was another on many lists as a 2nd , as a 3rd, as a 4th. Try nobody wanted him. Dallas didn't want him as a free agent.

 

[theSHOW]

Ealys' potential as a football player that could line up and match up as a 3 down DL is sufficient enough to draft him as a starter, Lawrence is a true RE that can pack on alot more than 250 Dee Ford pounds..... and Lawrence in near 270lbs since his 253lbs weight @ the NFL Combine, which the Cowboys knew because of his count em' three (3) Pre-Draft visits.

keep the weekly pancake breakfasts on his schedule

 

[Alexander]

Drafting backups and special teamers reminds me of 2009. With that said, I don't expect a 4th rounder to push any starter out of his spot, unless it is maybe Hayden.

It is just not a good practice. Nor is basically setting the expectation with that player that "whatever you do" you better be a good special teams player. If that is the case you need to have a self motivated player to get much more.

I much preferred the slant they took with Devin Street in comparison.

 

[Risen Star]

Sean Lee doesn't have a backup. He has a co-starter.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm fine with it if the guy was the top player on the board.....or even in the top 5 players on the board... I seriously doubt he was though

How the heck can a backup MLB be the top player on your board in the 4th round?

 

[jobberone]

I guess it makes people feel better about the choice to pretend we did not pick a reserve. Jerry Jones has said it, Stephen Jones has said it, practically every source has stated that Lee is not moving anywhere.

Since the wheels came off for sure when Lee went down then why would you object to drafting his backup? Almost all 4th round draft picks are going to be a backup for awhile generally a good while. And since you think Jerry is incompetent and a clown then why worry about what he says? Real question.

 

[jobberone]

Sean Lee doesn't have a backup. He has a co-starter.

I hope that's not the case but its not an absurd statement.

 

[jobberone]

They could have had hitchens later on, why not go safety, or even perhaps a rb at that point.

That's a fair question but allegedly other teams were after the player that round. We have no way of knowing that's true but apparently the messenger is well thought of.