Twitter: Fisher draft leftovers re: Hitchens, Ealy, and Crichton

[Alexander]

You have no evidence for that. He was drafted as a Mike. What's so difficult about that?

So the quote directly from Jones referring specifically to Bisaccia means nothing?

 

[Alexander]

So Will McClay decided to ignore himself and listen to the coaches?

This is confusing.

It should not be if you are not pretending that McClay was running that room. When the Raiders picked Ellis in the fourth, I did not see McClay stir. But we sure saw Jones staring at the board and getting restless. Classic panic we have seen happen over and over when things do not play out like we expect. That is when the assistants start chattering for who they want. Jones' issue is that he has little connection with the scouts and I think it is pretty clear over the years who he is willing to listen to more and be persuaded by.

 

[jobberone]

So the quote directly from Jones referring specifically to Bisaccia means nothing?

If you're still espousing that he's 'only' a backup and they wasted a pick drafting a backup then you're way wrong. You can spin this all day but all the explanations from all the coaches and participants don't lead to one conclusion....that's he's just a backup. Everyone drafted with the exception of possibly Martin will very likely be a backup this year. While he's targeted as a Mike that doesn't preclude him from playing other roles on the team. We'll have to wait and see what he's capable of including depth at the Mike. He may suck. I'm not interested in just one quote from one person esp Jerry. I don't box myself in with that kind of thinking.

 

[Alexander]

I'm not interested in just one quote from one person esp Jerry. I don't box myself in with that kind of thinking.

So you ignore what comes directly out of the mouth of the most influential decision maker in the organization and prefer to cling to concepts that are born out of nothing but speculation and hope.

Whatever floats your boat. Keep on thinking "outside the box". I am sure it will work out well for you.

 

[ThreeandOut]

If what I have read is accurate, he was not the top rated player and Jones jumped the board to get him at the urging of the coaches. They supposedly had Street rated higher, but took this player instead. It is just ignorant to do that in the middle of the draft when there was significant talent still available. Thankfully, they looked like they got their senses back with the remainder of the choices.

It is too bad, because without this blight on the record, it would have seemed much more solid all around. But I guess it just wouldn't be Dallas without the fourth round reach that we seem to make a habit of.

You can't really call him a reach if the Cowboys had a 4th grade on Hitchens, especially since you're arguing in the same post that the Cowboys should follow their draft board.

It is fair to question why they didn't take the higher rated player on their board (Street). I think the selection between Hitchens and Street was based on who was most likely to be available in round 5. They probably felt they were more likely to get Street in the 5th than Hitchens. As it turns out they were still able to get Street.

It's not the first time we've seen the Cowboys take this approach in their selections. Last year they had Brandon Magee rated higher than Holloman, but they ended up taking Halloman and picked up Magee later as an UDFA. The potential to pick a player up in a later round is often a consideration when they are deciding between two players.

 

[Spectre]

And then you listen to Garrett at his presser where he says that they will start him at mike but they expect him to come in and compete from day 1. They also said they were no longer in the business of drafting backups and special teams players. That they were looking for positional players and developmental prospects that could also play special teams.

It's the same thing. No coach is going to come forward and say- 'yes, we drafted so-and-so to be a special teams ace and backup.'
'Developmental positional guys who can play special teams.' is just a nice way of masking the reality.
Coachable special teams talents who don't shy away from contact and can serve a role as a trustworthy backup (you know what to expect from), in a pinch, have a place on a team too. Sounds like that's what he is, and that's fine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's the same thing. No coach is going to come forward and say- 'yes, we drafted so-and-so to be a special teams ace and backup.'
'Developmental positional guys who can play special teams.' is just a nice way of masking the reality.
Coachable special teams talents who don't shy away from contact and can serve a role as a trustworthy backup (you know what to expect from), in a pinch, have a place on a team too. Sounds like that's what he is, and that's fine.

You are basing the special teams beliefs on something they said. You buy that but you don't buy them saying the positional fit. That is text book confirmation bias.

Eberflus was an assistant at Toledo with Iowas DC. For all the love Bissaccia sent his way.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you ignore what comes directly out of the mouth of the most influential decision maker in the organization and prefer to cling to concepts that are born out of nothing but speculation and hope.

Whatever floats your boat. Keep on thinking "outside the box". I am sure it will work out well for you.

That is not what he said and you know it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you ignore what comes directly out of the mouth of the most influential decision maker in the organization and prefer to cling to concepts that are born out of nothing but speculation and hope.

Whatever floats your boat. Keep on thinking "outside the box". I am sure it will work out well for you.

And I have to say this is rich considering you just got through reading body language on war room cam to come to a conclusions. It was good for a laugh though so thanks.

 

[rkell87]

You have no evidence for that. He was drafted as a Mike. What's so difficult about that?

selection call and press conference

 

[Idgit]

So Will McClay decided to ignore himself and listen to the coaches?

This is confusing.

Making circular arguments often is.

 

[jobberone]

So you ignore what comes directly out of the mouth of the most influential decision maker in the organization and prefer to cling to concepts that are born out of nothing but speculation and hope.

Whatever floats your boat. Keep on thinking "outside the box". I am sure it will work out well for you.

Give it a rest Alexander. I take the entirety of a situation and evaluate it in context. I take Jerry with a huge grain of salt although at times you can glean information from his musings. You cannot legitimately pooh on Jerry and most everything he says and does then spin your arguments based on his proclamations being ex cathedra. You undermine your own credibility when you do so.

 

[jobberone]

selection call and press conference

And that means what? If you want to discuss the entire situation around our 4th round pick and put everything into context taking into account multiple communications from multiple people then you have a valid debate. I'm not interested in any conversation that pivots on your spin of one conversation coming from Jones. Everyone of differing opinions are welcome to the last word.

 

[Tobal]

Sean Lee doesn't have a backup. He has a co-starter.

Then a backup wasn't drafted a co-starter was drafted you should be happy.

 

[Idgit]

Then a backup wasn't drafted a co-starter was drafted you should be happy.

He would be, except, Jerry Jones.

 

[rkell87]

And that means what? If you want to discuss the entire situation around our 4th round pick and put everything into context taking into account multiple communications from multiple people then you have a valid debate. I'm not interested in any conversation that pivots on your spin of one conversation coming from Jones. Everyone of differing opinions are welcome to the last word.

the entire situation is they straight up went against their board to select a special teams player and admitted back up instead of selecting someone who could push for a starting spot, no pivot, no spin, and if you aren't interested in a conversation with me then you could have not responded to me and moved on.

 

[Idgit]

the entire situation is they straight up went against their board to select a special teams player and admitted back up instead of selecting someone who could push for a starting spot, no pivot, no spin, and if you aren't interested in a conversation with me then you could have not responded to me and moved on.

The reality is, teams go against their draft boards all the time. They make picks based off of which players they think are likely to go ahead of which, and not necessarily on their ranked value. The goal is to maximize the return for all of the picks in a draft and not necessarily to maximize it for each pick, if that makes sense.

Last year, for example, when they took Escobar over Williams. Or when they passed on Hamilton in the later rounds and took a lower rated player specifically because they thought he was more likely to make it to free agency. It's not unusual, at all, and it makes sense, too, when you think about it.

 

[L-O-Jete]

You cannot legitimately pooh on Jerry and most everything he says and does then spin your arguments based on his proclamations being ex cathedra.

He's not a good GM so most of his actions and speeches on the matter are stupid, that does not mean they are lies.
I don't think you are making sense here.

 

[speedkilz88]

Full Jerry quote according to cowboyszone

“We’ve got some linebacker coaches and a defensive coordinator (Rod Marinelli) and a head coach (Jason Garrett) that are grinning ear to ear … you have a special teams coach (Rich Bisaccia) over here who laid in front of the train for you, so whatever you do, you’ll have to be the best special teams player we got.”
-Jerry Jones on the Phone Call telling Hitchens he’s been drafted

 

[jobberone]

He's not a good GM so most of his actions and speeches on the matter are stupid, that does not mean they are lies.
I don't think you are making sense here.

I was responding to a specific poster's quote so without reading that too then perhaps you are taking it out of context. I hope you're not also going to tell me this quote means they drafted him to only be a ST player.

“We’ve got some linebacker coaches and a defensive coordinator (Rod Marinelli) and a head coach (Jason Garrett) that are grinning ear to ear … you have a special teams coach (Rich Bisaccia) over here who laid in front of the train for you, so whatever you do, you’ll have to be the best special teams player we got.”
-Jerry Jones on the Phone Call telling Hitchens he’s been drafted

Of course the guy is going to be playing STs since he'll likely be a backup for the immediate future. Hopefully he'll also be taught how to play LB so if needed he'll fit the bill.