Fisher Speaks - Hardy, AP and other stuff

[gmoney112]

lol. A 30 year old rb is now the chosen one.

AD is one of the most gifted RB's to ever play the game. I'd say the only RB I can say, without a fact was more gifted, was Bo Jackson. I used to watch Barry Sanders a lot, and while he could cut on a dime unlike anyone i've ever seen, I'd say overall Peterson is still a better back for the modern era. AD is actually 29 and will be turning 30 in a few days. He just sat out a year and is fresh.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised, if we gave him the same amount of carries we gave Demarco this year, if he broke the rushing record.

 

[Rogerthat12]

As dumb as it would be to give up a 1st for AD, I do agree with the concept that Hardy, McClain and AD makes us the title favorites.

That would be a freaky line up.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

physically, if Peterson were on this team then the offense would be much better than last season. No comparison between him and Murray. But, how much do you have to give up and what type of contract would he command. If the cost is a first and having to restructure Romo's contract then I would be pretty hesitant to do it.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

AD is one of the most gifted RB's to ever play the game. I'd say the only RB I can say, without a fact was more gifted, was Bo Jackson. I used to watch Barry Sanders a lot, and while he could cut on a dime unlike anyone i've ever seen, I'd say overall Peterson is still a better back for the modern era. AD is actually 29 and will be turning 30 in a few days. He just sat out a year and is fresh.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised, if we gave him the same amount of carries we gave Demarco this year, if he broke the rushing record.

30 is 30 when the season starts. People are so obsessed with what he's done in the past. Murray get's 1,800 yds and fans hate him for it. It comes down to our d. Until that is fixed, Superbowl talk is fantasy.

 

[Alexander]

I do think Hardy is more important...

But. I am obsessed with getting AP.

Just visualize it for a second. AP, lining up behind Romo, with Dez and Twill/Street. Witten at TE. And this Oline..... who they going to double? stack the box? Romo will eat them alive...

AP just barreling over that CB, after no one touching him for 7 yards, on his way to, 2k .....

It could go down as one of the best Offenses ever assembled...for a year or two....

It would be another dream team.

 

[esloan]

It would be another dream team.

I am sorry. I would rather have Gurely, Gordon or Ajayi than waste the picks and money on AP. AP was (and may still be) a great back but he has not played in a year. If it were just money, I would probably be okay with it. If it was just a draft pick, I would probably be okay with parting for a mid-rounder. But, when you combine both money and picks, just give me one of the young guys in the draft. They will do fine behind this offensive line and they will be here for longer.

 

[Bowdown27]

Please no on first to ap. Would ruin our future. Hardy is young at least and can help us for next few years ap is 30 and we should not give him that amount of money AND A high pick. Rather draft a guy

 

[Rogerthat12]

I am sorry. I would rather have Gurely, Gordon or Ajayi than waste the picks and money on AP. AP was (and may still be) a great back but he has not played in a year. If it were just money, I would probably be okay with it. If it was just a draft pick, I would probably be okay with parting for a mid-rounder. But, when you combine both money and picks, just give me one of the young guys in the draft. They will do fine behind this offensive line and they will be here for longer.

This is my perspective, giving up currency and selections is simply too much especially considering the type of quality and depth in this RB class.

I know Peterson is a rare freak and would make this team freaky but that is simply a lot to pay for AP.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I am sorry. I would rather have Gurely, Gordon or Ajayi than waste the picks and money on AP. AP was (and may still be) a great back but he has not played in a year. If it were just money, I would probably be okay with it. If it was just a draft pick, I would probably be okay with parting for a mid-rounder. But, when you combine both money and picks, just give me one of the young guys in the draft. They will do fine behind this offensive line and they will be here for longer.

Unless Peterson comes at a hometown discount and can be had with a third round pick , I am leaning your way as well.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Can you imagine the buzz in this town every month growing stronger as the new season approaches...Hardy signs and All Day comes home...coming off the success of last year...my oh my.....

 

[CaptainMorgan]

happy fan

 

[LOBO7]

Cowboys are building a young team that is going to last.
Draft a long term feature back.
They can do this without AP.

 

[John813]

Cowboys are building a young team that is going to last.
Draft a long term feature back.
They can do this without AP.

Yup.

If Hardy is signed, that fills a big hole, but we still have other holes that need to be addressed, and could be used by the 27th pick to do so. In getting AP, we could lose a 1st round pick and we would have to restructure contracts for it to work. Sure, AP is still a top 5 back, but for how long? While I want the team to be in a win now mode, they shouldn't disregard the future as well. We could find a good back in rounds 2-4, and use that first to help replenish/strengthen the defensive line/linebackers or secondary. That's cheap young talent that this team needs in order to constantly stay at a playoff caliber level.

 

[darthseinfeld]

When has Dallas ever traded a first round pick for a player and had it work out?

 

[jterrell]

Good stuff.

I like what Fish offers because it is all real sports talk.

What Fish is saying is you "could" offer a 1st to Minny and 20m over 2 years and have that deal seconds after signing Hardy.
This is in response to Shefter's goofy comment about signing Hardy making it tougher.
He's saying. no, its not hard at all beyond if Dallas WANTS to do it.

Also Fish is from Minny. His Vikings had no one but AP for the last 5 years or so. He does value his play.

No way give a 1st to Minny period but if my choice is Todd Gurley at 27 or AP give me AP. At least I have a guy who has proven he can flat play at every turn, every time someone hands him the ball even with 8 and 9 in the box. So AP has real value but it is in a short window and it is probably not a 1st plus a big pay check.

I would pay AP 20m over 2 years before I paid Murray 21 over 3. I LOVE what Murray did last year. But that was 1 elite season. AD has 6 Pro Bowls and 3 All-Pros to his credit. He is more physical than Murray with next to no injury concerns and far more speed even at this age.


All that said I am happy with the options I have without spending big money or using 27 at RB. this draft has a handful of really interesting backs and we have rights to 3 or 4 guys now that can play in this league. The Pats just won a SB with a street free agent RB who replaced an unheard of rookie. RB are not hard to find if you have the rest of the offense in place. I'd be targeting a r2 or r3 back and let this OL make him as rich in 5 years as DeMarco is today.

 

[Stash]

It would be another dream team.

Hopefully with much better results than that 'other' one...

 

[Stash]

Good stuff.

I like what Fish offers because it is all real sports talk.

What Fish is saying is you "could" offer a 1st to Minny and 20m over 2 years and have that deal seconds after signing Hardy.
This is in response to Shefter's goofy comment about signing Hardy making it tougher.
He's saying. no, its not hard at all beyond if Dallas WANTS to do it.

Also Fish is from Minny. His Vikings had no one but AP for the last 5 years or so. He does value his play.

No way give a 1st to Minny period but if my choice is Todd Gurley at 27 or AP give me AP. At least I have a guy who has proven he can flat play at every turn, every time someone hands him the ball even with 8 and 9 in the box. So AP has real value but it is in a short window and it is probably not a 1st plus a big pay check.

I would pay AP 20m over 2 years before I paid Murray 21 over 3. I LOVE what Murray did last year. But that was 1 elite season. AD has 6 Pro Bowls and 3 All-Pros to his credit. He is more physical than Murray with next to no injury concerns and far more speed even at this age.

I like much of what you're saying here, very well said.

And I very much agree that Fisher wasn't referring to what Dallas would do, but rather what they could do if they wanted to.

Neither the Cowboys, nor anyone else is giving up a 1st round pick for Adrian Peterson. At best, I can see a 4th rounder this year or a 3rd rounder in 2016. And even then , it would be contingent on getting a reasonable two-year contract agreed to in order to reduce Peterson's current salaries. I would fully expect an inflated 3-year deal with funny money in the third year to pay him more now with some dead money later.

And unlike Schefter, I think if they do sign Hardy, it gives even more momentum - in several ways - to the idea of acquiring Peterson.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

30 is 30 when the season starts. People are so obsessed with what he's done in the past. Murray get's 1,800 yds and fans hate him for it. It comes down to our d. Until that is fixed, Superbowl talk is fantasy.

Fantasy? Are you part of the under 30 crowd? If so, trust me, The Dallas Cowboys are allowed to compete in the SB. There isn't a ban on them and its not some fantasy dream like state in never never land as some, abstract concept. Its just a football game. And we are allowed to play in it.

Last year we outright beat 2 of the final 4 teams. Seattle and Indy. We shouldve beat GB, but some bad calls, and some bad bounces didn't go our way. The only team we didnt beat , was NE(didnt play them) and they needed Seattle to really screw up at the end of the SB to beat them

It isnt fantasy land. Wwe are just as good as any of those teams......and that was without Hardy.

 

[CATCH17]

30 is 30 when the season starts. People are so obsessed with what he's done in the past. Murray get's 1,800 yds and fans hate him for it. It comes down to our d. Until that is fixed, Superbowl talk is fantasy.

30 is 30 maybe for all other RB's but Peterson is on a different level physically from any RB that has ever played.

If he declines 15% he'll start entering in to the Demarco level of RB.

 

[TwoDeep3]

First off, I am not certain what Fisher was suggesting is what it takes to get this done. The dialog at that time was back and forth with the two hosts who were being rather silly at that point. One of the pet peeves I have is sports talk radio slipping into the Saturday Night Live mindset when they should be doing just straight reporting. So a first and a pile of money might just have been Fish's way of suggesting Dallas has large options and is not fettered by the cap or any constraints.

Sometimes the hosts need to shut the frick up.

But the take-away I got from this was how the Vikings and AP are not mending fences. He wasn't celebrating his return is what Fisher meant. So there is opportunity there.

However, this hometown discount I keep seeing in this thread is pie in the sky. The guy will want to be paid like the top backs in the league. Which is why I would have stuck with Murray. He would be cheaper and younger.

I don't recall a dream team ever being all that, so I have my reservations. But...

If you could scale back that draft pick to something bite size, like maybe a fourth this year and one next, then you still can draft the rookie RB and still have picks for corner and LB and interior DL.

I do not trust McFadden. So if this is an all-in year - which I would have done differently but they didn't ask me - then I make sure I have a stud back-up to AP that is as likely, if not more so, to go down because of injury.