Fitzgerald, to the people who do not want to trade for him

[playmakers]

I just want to know why? A 1st and a 3rd for him is what I would offer. Ill make my case what the board thinks.


Ok, Fitzgerald is 24 years of age, roughly about a year or two older than all the draft picks in this draft. To his resume he has been in the league for four seasons already ( something that will never be broken by any player to have 4 seasons under their belt by the age of 24), two 100 catch seasons, two 1400 plus yard seasons, two 10 touchdown seasons and he's 6 4 230 pounds. In light of all this he has yet to hit his prime and should not do so for a while.

The 22nd pick in the draft will yield us what? An unproven commodity. Yes, this player, whomever he may be, could turn out to be a good player. Ill just use an example and say we pick Reggie Smith the db from Oklahoma. He comes in and plays some speacil teams and probably the 3rd corner if were lucky he doesnt lose his confidence in camp, and a 3rd round pick is a very risky draft pick. Theres no gurantees there. Theres alot of room for error here. Its very risky and to me is the hard way.

To me, it is a flat out no brainer if hes avialble. We are a team in need of a future star at wide reciever. We are a team that is one or two players away from the Superbowl, today. I repeat, today, not three seasons from now when we figure out if we drafted well or not. If Micheal Irvin was avialible for a 1st and third round picks you mean to tell me you wouldnt do it. This guy already did what Irvin didnt, caught 100 balls in 2 seasons and the playmaker is in the hall of fame. We're talking a hall of fame reciever and he still has 10 plus seasons left to play.

I would say this, I think alot of people in here get star struck when we talk about trading drafts picks. For example, Jerry Rice for the 25th pick? No, cant do it. Cant give up a 1st rounder. Well, thats the Bengals philosphy there where there known to never make any trades or go for something. If the right player is there by all means dont be afraid to give it up. Its not like were trading for an over the hill, risky proposition. Fitzgerald might be one of the safiest players to trade for. I know you build your team through the draft but " if Larry Fitzgerald was on the board at number 22 this season you mean to say you wouldnt pick him?" Ask yourself that a few times. Opinions

 

[SquiggDoggs]

I agree with you all the way...lets get that ring next year and not 3 years down the road...with him in there we would have had one less drop in the playoff game against the Giants...Superbowl could have been ours...not to mention we will have another great reciever to throw to and throw to more often when a big name reciever goes down...ie TO.

 

[Muhast]

not for a first and 3rd. Just a first and i'd do it.

 

[tunahelper]

I would want him, but do we have the cap space?

 

[masomenos]

I just want to know why? A 1st and a 3rd for him is what I would offer. Ill make my case what the board thinks.


Ok, Fitzgerald is 24 years of age, roughly about a year or two older than all the draft picks in this draft. To his resume he has been in the league for four seasons already ( something that will never be broken by any player to have 4 seasons under their belt by the age of 24), two 100 catch seasons, two 1400 plus yard seasons, two 10 touchdown seasons and he's 6 4 230 pounds. In light of all this he has yet to hit his prime and should not do so for a while.

The 22nd pick in the draft will yield us what? An unproven commodity. Yes, this player, whomever he may be, could turn out to be a good player. Ill just use an example and say we pick Reggie Smith the db from Oklahoma. He comes in and plays some speacil teams and probably the 3rd corner if were lucky he doesnt lose his confidence in camp, and a 3rd round pick is a very risky draft pick. Theres no gurantees there. Theres alot of room for error here. Its very risky and to me is the hard way.

To me, it is a flat out no brainer if hes avialble. We are a team in need of a future star at wide reciever. We are a team that is one or two players away from the Superbowl, today. I repeat, today, not three seasons from now when we figure out if we drafted well or not. If Micheal Irvin was avialible for a 1st and third round picks you mean to tell me you wouldnt do it. This guy already did what Irvin didnt, caught 100 balls in 2 seasons and the playmaker is in the hall of fame. We're talking a hall of fame reciever and he still has 10 plus seasons left to play.

I would say this, I think alot of people in here get star struck when we talk about trading drafts picks. For example, Jerry Rice for the 25th pick? No, cant do it. Cant give up a 1st rounder. Well, thats the Bengals philosphy there where there known to never make any trades or go for something. If the right player is there by all means dont be afraid to give it up. Its not like were trading for an over the hill, risky proposition. Fitzgerald might be one of the safiest players to trade for. I know you build your team through the draft but " if Larry Fitzgerald was on the board at number 22 this season you mean to say you wouldnt pick him?" Ask yourself that a few times. Opinions

I would do it in a heartbeat, Fitzgerald may have the best ball skills in the league. He's phenomenal. The only question is working out a cap hit that can work for this season, which I imagine is something we could crunch the numbers on. We could still have a terrific draft even with losing the picks. I mean really, say McFadden dropped to 15, I don't think anyone would be too upset over using our 22nd and our 3rd to trade up for him. It's really an incredibly cheap price for a high impact player. We could still draft a good CB in the first or, if there isn't a CB there worth taking we could trade down to the early second and pick a guy like Brandon Flowers with recouping our 3rd or maybe picking up a 4th.

I'm really just kind of spitballing scenarios here. Going into the off season we have three serious needs: a backup/complimentary RB, another receiving threat, and depth at CB (maybe 2 new guys). If were able to do the trade and make an impact on the team through low level free agents and the draft then we'd really be in great shape going into next season. Something like...

FA RB Mewelde Moore
A career backup type guy who really is an underrated back. A terrific receiver out of the backfield and a guy who is a pretty good punt returner who has Minnesota's career record for punt return average. Has only really had one chance to get consistent carries, back in 2005, but showed that he is capable of filling in as a starter if an injury occurs and has also shown that he can contribute in other ways when strictly used as a substitute.

FA CB Randall Gay
A guy who has starting experience in the regular season and in the playoffs. He's not an all-pro guy but he should come rather cheap and he would be an improvement of either Jaques Reeves or Nate Jones.

Trade 1a and 3rd for Larry Fitzgerald

1b. CB - Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie
As of right now only one major mock draft has DRC being taken before us, and it's the very pick before us. Kiper has said that he sees Cromartie more as a second round talent and it's really not out of the question to think he could last this long. Of course that could change with the combine, but for now it's reasonable.

Already, at this point we would have improved the team a considerable amount. We'd have a lot of flexibility with the rest of our draft picks. We'd would have gotten younger at all of our positions of need. We would even have the luxury of taking a guy like Chris Johnson in the second and have him act as a kick returner/compete for the role behind Marion. Even if he didn't beat out Moore then he would still be able to make a big impact as a returner and through catching the ball.

I would really love that offseason lol.

 

[burmafrd]

CAP SPACE. You do know what the Cards have to pay him this year, right?
Unless he renegotiates they will have to pay him just about as much as we have cap space. This guy would be EXPENSIVE.

 

[Clove]

I think alot of people are scared because of the Galloway trade when we turned over 2 1st rounders for a guy that never stayed healthy. But some forget that our defense was in decline then, and we were trying to patch things up.

Well, we're not trying to patch up anything right now, we nearly all of the pieces in place, and we need to go for it.

We don't have 1 super star player on our team with picks between 20 and 30.
How many 1st round picks are super stars on our team at all? Ware, maybe Newman who was a top 10 pick (those are typically no-brainers)

Bigg, too bad we didn't draft him. 2 of our super stars on our team consists of an undrafted free agent and a 4th round running back.

Don't fall in love with 1st round picks, especially late first round picks. If you can get a proven young stud with those picks via trade, don't be stupid.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Are the Cardinals seriously considering the notion of trading him?

I think he would be a great addition.

However his current deal needs reworked. It's very unreasonable.

 

[masomenos]

CAP SPACE. You do know what the Cards have to pay him this year, right?
Unless he renegotiates they will have to pay him just about as much as we have cap space. This guy would be EXPENSIVE.

I think the idea would be to restructure and extend his deal. Right now Fitzgerlads entire 2008 contract is guaranteed and it's going to cost 16.5 million dollars. However, you could give him something like a 6 year 70 million dollar deal with a 20 million dollar signing bonus and be able to work it out. For instance, if you gave him early base salaries of 5 million dollars his cap hit would work out to be 8 million. Effectively reducing his cap hit by half, I think.

As far as my knowledge goes, 20 million dollars would be the largest signing bonus for a WR in NFL history by a very significant margin.Of course, you run a risk anytime you give players huge signing bonuses. But I imagine Fitzgerald will be requiring something at least upwards of 15 million.

 

[masomenos]

Are the Cardinals seriously considering the notion of trading him?

I think he would be a great addition.

However his current deal needs reworked. It's very unreasonable.

The Cardinals front office said that they were going to try to restructure the deal, but if an agreement couldn't be worked out then they'd have to make some very difficult moves. Most seem to assume that would mean trading him.

 

[sago1]

It's fine for the Cards to talk about restructuring his contract but Fitz has to be on board or the Cards in trouble. If Fitz unwilling to take the deal the Cards offer, then it logical they will try trading him for best deal they could get but Fitz might also be swayed by where he wants to go re winning team & QBs he might like. It sure would be interesting to know how well Romo and Fitz got along at the pro bowl; same goes for TO & Fitz; and MBIII & Fitz. There were a lot of Cowboys at the pro bowl and wonder if any talked him up.

 

[lurkercowboy]

I would trade a first and next years second for him. But I doubt the Cards will let him go.

 

[tvooz]

I just want to know why? A 1st and a 3rd for him is what I would offer. Ill make my case what the board thinks.


Ok, Fitzgerald is 24 years of age, roughly about a year or two older than all the draft picks in this draft. To his resume he has been in the league for four seasons already ( something that will never be broken by any player to have 4 seasons under their belt by the age of 24), two 100 catch seasons, two 1400 plus yard seasons, two 10 touchdown seasons and he's 6 4 230 pounds. In light of all this he has yet to hit his prime and should not do so for a while.

The 22nd pick in the draft will yield us what? An unproven commodity. Yes, this player, whomever he may be, could turn out to be a good player. Ill just use an example and say we pick Reggie Smith the db from Oklahoma. He comes in and plays some speacil teams and probably the 3rd corner if were lucky he doesnt lose his confidence in camp, and a 3rd round pick is a very risky draft pick. Theres no gurantees there. Theres alot of room for error here. Its very risky and to me is the hard way.

To me, it is a flat out no brainer if hes avialble. We are a team in need of a future star at wide reciever. We are a team that is one or two players away from the Superbowl, today. I repeat, today, not three seasons from now when we figure out if we drafted well or not. If Micheal Irvin was avialible for a 1st and third round picks you mean to tell me you wouldnt do it. This guy already did what Irvin didnt, caught 100 balls in 2 seasons and the playmaker is in the hall of fame. We're talking a hall of fame reciever and he still has 10 plus seasons left to play.

I would say this, I think alot of people in here get star struck when we talk about trading drafts picks. For example, Jerry Rice for the 25th pick? No, cant do it. Cant give up a 1st rounder. Well, thats the Bengals philosphy there where there known to never make any trades or go for something. If the right player is there by all means dont be afraid to give it up. Its not like were trading for an over the hill, risky proposition. Fitzgerald might be one of the safiest players to trade for. I know you build your team through the draft but " if Larry Fitzgerald was on the board at number 22 this season you mean to say you wouldnt pick him?" Ask yourself that a few times. Opinions

suppose we use a 1st and a 3rd to select two wr's. i'll take a chance that we find one decent wr with two high picks. in addition, we would save $$$ against the cap to sign our own players when their contracts expire.

trading away draft picks and signing big name players to exorbitant contracts is a double whammy.

if you disagree, just ask the Commanders

 

[Hoofbite]

not for a first and 3rd. Just a first and i'd do it.

Is a 3rd rounder really gonna sway your opinion?

theres no way that 3rd rounder (Almost a 4th rounder) is going to start on this team in the near future.

If it came down to having Fitz or that extra 3/4th rounder, give me fitz.

 

[03EBZ06]

I think the idea would be to restructure and extend his deal. Right now Fitzgerlads entire 2008 contract is guaranteed and it's going to cost 16.5 million dollars. However, you could give him something like a 6 year 70 million dollar deal with a 20 million dollar signing bonus and be able to work it out. For instance, if you gave him early base salaries of 5 million dollars his cap hit would work out to be 8 million. Effectively reducing his cap hit by half, I think.

As far as my knowledge goes, 20 million dollars would be the largest signing bonus for a WR in NFL history by a very significant margin.Of course, you run a risk anytime you give players huge signing bonuses. But I imagine Fitzgerald will be requiring something at least upwards of 15 million.

That's all fine and dandy but what if he doesn't want to negotiate, do you still want to acquire him and his salary?

 

[DCfaninDC]

Is a 3rd rounder really gonna sway your opinion?

theres no way that 3rd rounder (Almost a 4th rounder) is going to start on this team in the near future.

If it came down to having Fitz or that extra 3/4th rounder, give me fitz.

I think a 3rd rounder would sway my opinion. Isn't it the round where a lot of mock drafts have us picking Owen Schmit? Maybe the 3rd rounder will not start this year, but he could be the next Colston, Brady...etc. I know tha the he might also be a bust, but I would like to take a shot with a late 3rd rounder.

 

[tomson75]

I think a 3rd rounder would sway my opinion. Isn't it the round where a lot of mock drafts have us picking Owen Schmit? Maybe the 3rd rounder will not start this year, but he could be the next Colston, Brady...etc. I know tha the he might also be a bust, but I would like to take a shot with a late 3rd rounder.

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Don't say that name! You'll get Summerisfunner all in a tizzy!

 

[big dog cowboy]

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Don't say that name! You'll get Summerisfunner all in a tizzy!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I would do it in a heartbeat, Fitzgerald may have the best ball skills in the league. He's phenomenal. The only question is working out a cap hit that can work for this season, which I imagine is something we could crunch the numbers on. We could still have a terrific draft even with losing the picks. I mean really, say McFadden dropped to 15, I don't think anyone would be too upset over using our 22nd and our 3rd to trade up for him. It's really an incredibly cheap price for a high impact player. We could still draft a good CB in the first or, if there isn't a CB there worth taking we could trade down to the early second and pick a guy like Brandon Flowers with recouping our 3rd or maybe picking up a 4th.

I'm really just kind of spitballing scenarios here. Going into the off season we have three serious needs: a backup/complimentary RB, another receiving threat, and depth at CB (maybe 2 new guys). If were able to do the trade and make an impact on the team through low level free agents and the draft then we'd really be in great shape going into next season. Something like...

FA RB Mewelde Moore
A career backup type guy who really is an underrated back. A terrific receiver out of the backfield and a guy who is a pretty good punt returner who has Minnesota's career record for punt return average. Has only really had one chance to get consistent carries, back in 2005, but showed that he is capable of filling in as a starter if an injury occurs and has also shown that he can contribute in other ways when strictly used as a substitute.

FA CB Randall Gay
A guy who has starting experience in the regular season and in the playoffs. He's not an all-pro guy but he should come rather cheap and he would be an improvement of either Jaques Reeves or Nate Jones.

Trade 1a and 3rd for Larry Fitzgerald

1b. CB - Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie
As of right now only one major mock draft has DRC being taken before us, and it's the very pick before us. Kiper has said that he sees Cromartie more as a second round talent and it's really not out of the question to think he could last this long. Of course that could change with the combine, but for now it's reasonable.

Already, at this point we would have improved the team a considerable amount. We'd have a lot of flexibility with the rest of our draft picks. We'd would have gotten younger at all of our positions of need. We would even have the luxury of taking a guy like Chris Johnson in the second and have him act as a kick returner/compete for the role behind Marion. Even if he didn't beat out Moore then he would still be able to make a big impact as a returner and through catching the ball.

I would really love that offseason lol.

holy crap, man, a wonderful idea

 

[Sandyf]

First of all, if we did trade for him then it would be with him agreeing to a new contract. The trade wouldn't happen to any team unless he did.

Second, it is Arizona that is in the soup with his salary over the next two years and his cap hit. It is making signing players and extending contracts much more difficult. Arizona has to decide if they want to keep Bryant Johnson and trade Fitzgerald because Johnson is a UFA or see if they can get Fitzgerald to redo his contract. To date, Fitzgerald seems unwilling to redo his contract with Arizona.

I guess my question is why offer the Cardinals anything. Let them come to us with an offer and work from there. If the reports are true, and Fitzgerald is really working out with Owens and Romo occasionally (all legal under the CBA in the offseason) and the rumors that Fitzgerald would rather be traded to the Cowboys or Eagles or Patriots then wait.

Why!! Well the Eagles are known not to want to get up much for anyone much less a WR and they also have a QB situation to worry about presently. The Patriots have to resign Moss, which they will, but seriously doubt they are going to give up picks to also get Fitzgerald, finances don't work out and the fact is in free agency they are going for LBs and CBs.

The Cardinals need help at LB since two starting LBs are UFAs and they will probably franchise Dansby but they are also trying to resign Pace who seem to come into his own last year. They need help at DE and CB. If the papers are correct, they may go after one of the top corners, which takes what --- lots of money. And remember, please remember, who the owner of the Cardinals is. That should be enough said.

Hey I want Fitzgerald as much as anyone and the dream of having him split next to Owens is mind boggling but I wouldn't sell the farm to get him and the Cardinals will get less than you think once you put all the parameters in place. Just like with Roy Williams out of Detroit, the blogs have that he is worth a 1st round pick, yet if any of you have been watching the NFL Network and listening to the real scouts on the radio, almost to a man they expect in the end, Detroit will take a 3rd round pick for him. Just don't overvalue something just yet.