Five Jason Garrett myths

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I am weary of posters failing to appreciate how the NFL works. There was yet another post in the past few days saying "Garrett isn't getting the ball enough to Witten in the red zone." Or "Garret needs to run the ball 40 times a game" These are examples of pure NFL ignorance.

Myth 1. Jason is calling all the plays.

In today's NFL when you come to line of the scrimmage there are many, many times when the play gets CHANGED at the line of scrimmage. This happens perhaps even more often with Romo. The play is changed BASED on the quarterbacks' read at the line of scrimmage.

Nowadays the DEFENSE dictates where plays are going to go. Ask a pro football expert and they will tell you: if a defense wants to take away one or two things that your offense wants to do------ANY NFL defense can do that. Today's NFL is a spontaneous chess match where offenses have to find the best opening left open by the defense on that particular play. And then it changes the next play.

Myth 2: Jason--or any coordinator--determines where a QB throws the ball.
Quarterbacks have up to 5 targets on a play. The coordinator doesn't decide which of those targets a QB throws. Yes there are primary targets but that doesn't always mean a whole lot. It's the quarterback's decision and again this often goes back to what defense is being played and the QB's last second read at the line of scrimmage of the defensive scheme and matches/mismatches.

Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. No you don't. Look at the numbers and you'll see that the top teams pass the ball 60/40 and sometimes even 70/30 of the time. There is no such thing as a top team without an elite quarterback.

Who are the top running team in the NFL? Jets, Titans, Panthers and Dolphins? Bottom Dwellers!!!!! Who are the top ranked passing teams? Saints and Indy--both at 8-0. Also the Pats and Steelers. The two undefeated teams have almost no running games!!!

Myth 4: Jason Garrett is not football smart.
The posters who say this couldn't coach a pop warner football team. You have simply nooooo idea how sophisticated NFL offenses are and how good Garrett is.

Look at the results people!!! In 2 out of 3 seasons Garrett's has his offense in the top 3 of the rankings. That people is scary good. Elite.

Myth 5: Jason Garrett needs to do X, Y or Z more .
No he doesn't. He needs to do exactly what he's doing right now.
 

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I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm all for running, but I think about 60/40 is about right. I was sort of calling for him to run more, but, as it turns out, I was wrong. :)
 

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Its just now starting to get cold lets see how NO and Indy do outside in cold weather down the stretch.
 

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T-RO;3075913 said:
Myth 1. Jason is calling all the plays.

In today's NFL when you come to line of the scrimmage there are many, many times when the play gets CHANGED at the line of scrimmage. This happens perhaps even more often with Romo. The play is changed BASED on the quarterbacks' read at the line of scrimmage.

Nowadays the DEFENSE dictates where plays are going to go. Ask a pro football expert and they will tell you: if a defense wants to take away one or two things that your offense wants to do------ANY NFL defense can do that. Today's NFL is a spontaneous chess match where offenses have to find the best opening left open by the defense on that particular play. And then it changes the next play.

This is common sense. I think the general football fan knows that such a thing as audibles exist.

T-RO;3075913 said:
Myth 2: Jason--or any coordinator--determines where a QB throws the ball.
Quarterbacks have up to 5 targets on a play. The coordinator doesn't decide which of those targets a QB throws. Yes there are primary targets but that doesn't always mean a whole lot. It's the quarterback's decision and again this often goes back to what defense is being played and the QB's last second read at the line of scrimmage of the defensive scheme and matches/mismatches.

Again, I don't think many have faulted Garrett for where the ball goes on a given passing play. Romo has never thrown the ball at a covered man and the response has been, "Why didn't Garrett see Witten was open?!"


T-RO;3075913 said:
Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. No you don't. Look at the numbers and you'll see that the top teams pass the ball 60/40 and sometimes even 70/30 of the time. There is no such thing as a top team without an elite quarterback.

Who are the top running team in the NFL? Jets, Titans, Panthers and Dolphins? Bottom Dwellers!!!!! Who are the top ranked passing teams? Saints and Indy--both at 8-0. Also the Pats and Steelers. The two undefeated teams have almost no running games!!!

You think the Saints and Colts have no running game? The Saints are 5th in the league in rushing, you conveniently stopped at the top 4. The Titans have jumped up suddenly, winning in the process, over the last few weeks, and while we're at it, we're 8th in the league in rushing and are 6-2.

Having a top flight quarterback has never hurt a team, but if you can't run, you're going to have issues. There's a difference between not being able to run and not running the ball often.

It's not about running the ball 50 times a game, it's about being efficient when you do and all the top teams, regardless of how much they pass, are.

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Myth 4: Jason Garrett is not football smart.
The posters who say this couldn't coach a pop warner football team. You have simply nooooo idea how sophisticated NFL offenses are and how good Garrett is.

Look at the results people!!! In 2 out of 3 seasons Garrett's has his offense in the top 3 of the rankings. That people is scary good. Elite.

He has gotten tons better, last year was a disaster. He was predictable and failed to make adjustments. Garrett football resume isn't stellar by any means, he was crowned a golden child without ever having to really prove himself as a coach. There's nothing wrong with earning your reputation.

I don't think he isn't football smart, but the amount of praise he got based on his body of work was absolutely ridiculous.


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Myth 5: Jason Garrett needs to do X, Y or Z more .
No he doesn't. He needs to do exactly what he's doing right now.

Well obviously we're winning. Jason has been doing X, Y and Z over the year, making adjustments on a weekly basis, he'd be an idiot not to.
 

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I completely disagree with #3. An effective running game should be the staple of every good offense.
 

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Yea you have to do both... My problem with Garrett is that he has too much confidence in his O! Sometimes, I wish he had a little Parcells in him... but only sometimes!
 

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T-RO;3075913 said:
Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. No you don't. Look at the numbers and you'll see that the top teams pass the ball 60/40 and sometimes even 70/30 of the time. There is no such thing as a top team without an elite quarterback.

Who are the top running team in the NFL? Jets, Titans, Panthers and Dolphins? Bottom Dwellers!!!!! Who are the top ranked passing teams? Saints and Indy--both at 8-0. Also the Pats and Steelers. The two undefeated teams have almost no running games!!!

2 of those teams were cream of the crop last year. You think they all of sudden changed their style?

Those 4 teams combined for 45 wins last season. They went 45-19 last year off of running the ball.

It's obvious that the QB position is the most important position on a team. Thanks for filling us in on that. QB play makes or breaks a team so it shouldn't be a shocker that the teams with the best QBs throw the ball more.

But that doesn't mean you HAVE to throw the ball or that you CANNOT win by running.

Oh and those Saints who have no running game. They're 5th in overall rushing and lead the league in rushing TDs and are second in 1st downs gained. They're also second in attempts per game.
 

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The top 7 rushing teams last season all made the playoffs. Just saying.
 

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T-RO;3075913 said:
I am weary of posters failing to appreciate how the NFL works. There was yet another post in the past few days saying "Garrett isn't getting the ball enough to Witten in the red zone." Or "Garret needs to run the ball 40 times a game" These are examples of pure NFL ignorance.

Myth 1. Jason is calling all the plays.

In today's NFL when you come to line of the scrimmage there are many, many times when the play gets CHANGED at the line of scrimmage. This happens perhaps even more often with Romo. The play is changed BASED on the quarterbacks' read at the line of scrimmage.

Nowadays the DEFENSE dictates where plays are going to go. Ask a pro football expert and they will tell you: if a defense wants to take away one or two things that your offense wants to do------ANY NFL defense can do that. Today's NFL is a spontaneous chess match where offenses have to find the best opening left open by the defense on that particular play. And then it changes the next play.

Myth 2: Jason--or any coordinator--determines where a QB throws the ball.
Quarterbacks have up to 5 targets on a play. The coordinator doesn't decide which of those targets a QB throws. Yes there are primary targets but that doesn't always mean a whole lot. It's the quarterback's decision and again this often goes back to what defense is being played and the QB's last second read at the line of scrimmage of the defensive scheme and matches/mismatches.

Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. No you don't. Look at the numbers and you'll see that the top teams pass the ball 60/40 and sometimes even 70/30 of the time. There is no such thing as a top team without an elite quarterback.

Who are the top running team in the NFL? Jets, Titans, Panthers and Dolphins? Bottom Dwellers!!!!! Who are the top ranked passing teams? Saints and Indy--both at 8-0. Also the Pats and Steelers. The two undefeated teams have almost no running games!!!

Myth 4: Jason Garrett is not football smart.
The posters who say this couldn't coach a pop warner football team. You have simply nooooo idea how sophisticated NFL offenses are and how good Garrett is.

Look at the results people!!! In 2 out of 3 seasons Garrett's has his offense in the top 3 of the rankings. That people is scary good. Elite.

Myth 5: Jason Garrett needs to do X, Y or Z more .
No he doesn't. He needs to do exactly what he's doing right now.
Post of the day.

Aces man, aces.
 

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TheCount;3075939 said:
It's not about running the ball 50 times a game, it's about being efficient when you do and all the top teams, regardless of how much they pass, are.

That's not correct. Running effectiveness has very little correlation to winning in the NFL. Last year's Super Bowl teams were two of the worst rushing teams in the league.

You run the ball to keep defenses honest, and it doesn't really matter how well you can run it, as long as you're not consistently getting stuffed or losing yardage.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3075932 said:
Its just now starting to get cold lets see how NO and Indy do outside in cold weather down the stretch.

But both play in domes half of their remaining games.
 

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Hoofbite;3076005 said:
There's still a few hours in the day.
I have faith. No one will top that. Football insight and common sense reign supreme.
 

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T-RO;3075913 said:
I am weary of posters failing to appreciate how the NFL works. There was yet another post in the past few days saying "Garrett isn't getting the ball enough to Witten in the red zone." Or "Garret needs to run the ball 40 times a game" These are examples of pure NFL ignorance.

Myth 1. Jason is calling all the plays.

In today's NFL when you come to line of the scrimmage there are many, many times when the play gets CHANGED at the line of scrimmage. This happens perhaps even more often with Romo. The play is changed BASED on the quarterbacks' read at the line of scrimmage.

Nowadays the DEFENSE dictates where plays are going to go. Ask a pro football expert and they will tell you: if a defense wants to take away one or two things that your offense wants to do------ANY NFL defense can do that. Today's NFL is a spontaneous chess match where offenses have to find the best opening left open by the defense on that particular play. And then it changes the next play.

Myth 2: Jason--or any coordinator--determines where a QB throws the ball.
Quarterbacks have up to 5 targets on a play. The coordinator doesn't decide which of those targets a QB throws. Yes there are primary targets but that doesn't always mean a whole lot. It's the quarterback's decision and again this often goes back to what defense is being played and the QB's last second read at the line of scrimmage of the defensive scheme and matches/mismatches.

Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. No you don't. Look at the numbers and you'll see that the top teams pass the ball 60/40 and sometimes even 70/30 of the time. There is no such thing as a top team without an elite quarterback.

Who are the top running team in the NFL? Jets, Titans, Panthers and Dolphins? Bottom Dwellers!!!!! Who are the top ranked passing teams? Saints and Indy--both at 8-0. Also the Pats and Steelers. The two undefeated teams have almost no running games!!!

Myth 4: Jason Garrett is not football smart.
The posters who say this couldn't coach a pop warner football team. You have simply nooooo idea how sophisticated NFL offenses are and how good Garrett is.

Look at the results people!!! In 2 out of 3 seasons Garrett's has his offense in the top 3 of the rankings. That people is scary good. Elite.

Myth 5: Jason Garrett needs to do X, Y or Z more .
No he doesn't. He needs to do exactly what he's doing right now.

This is a very well thought out post and it deserves it's props. Whether it's an absolute truth or not is irrelevant, your arguments have substance and all we have been reading recently has been dribble. Good post. Now allow me to retort.:gent:


Myth 1. Jason is calling all the plays. No not literally but yes he's the Head of the offense because that's exactly how Jerry set it up. He was brought in here before the head coach was, this argument stands on it's own. Yes Tony changes the play very often at the line and maybe this is why Garrett looks irritated when he's talking to Romo on the sidelines. Whatever the case, it's up to Garrett to crack the whip and I'm not convinced the inmates are not running the asylum.

Myth 2: Jason--or any coordinator--determines where a QB throws the ball. Not literally on every play no but both Crayton and RW have made several statements to the contrary. RW said there weren't many if any plays designed or called where he was to get the ball, granted he said this last year when Me-O was here. Crayton made some comments about Romo having to take on to much and we need to run the ball more. A WR said this, then he got demoted.:lmao:

Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. Not always no but you do win games playing to your strengths. If there is bad weather you can struggle without one. Right now the short dump off pass has replaced the run. We need to throw more screens and short little dump off passes to Felix and Choice, even to Barber despite his lack of speed.

Myth 4: Jason Garrett is not football smart. No he's to smart for his own good, in fact I think some of his decisions are to witty and need to be simplified. It's like all we need to do is run the ball on a specific play and some gadget play is called that ends up in a field goal or us punting. Drives me nuts. And personally I think Garrett is riding the talent of this team to a Top Ranked Offense. We have more weapons on offense than a Columbian drug lord. Pablo Escobar trembles in his grave when we take the field. We normally dominate the weaker teams which pads our stats but we struggle or even lose to better teams, that's where coaching comes in to play. We have the talent to win despite our weakness in coaching and I believe (The homer in me believes) that this is the year our talent goes deep into the postseason despite our lesser coaches. Garrett was horrible in Miami and he's not very special here.

Myth 5: Jason Garrett needs to do X, Y or Z more . Yes he does. We should have put up 14 more points on the egirls but play calling left us short. Other games where running the ball more or throwing more short dump off passes would have gotten us the W. Games where Romo is blatantly off, the coaches need to step in and change the strategy. We should be dominating just about everybody we've played and I believe we will but sometimes the coaches need to make better adjustments and they haven't. I find myself yelling at the tv or yelling in the stands to just run the freaken ball, or run a screen, or throw a pass to the rb in the flats, or get Barber out of there and give Choice some reps. It drives me nuts when you know they are going to run a certain play and inevitably it fails and we either have to punt or settle for a field goal. It's not just nit picking, it's just fine tuning, and it's an obsession with winning that brings this mind set out in every fan. We expect better because we see what we have.




I will say that Garrett is getting better and a few more years may be all he needs to be considered great in my book but for now the guy is riding the talent of a STACKED offense....:thankyou:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3075932 said:
Its just now starting to get cold lets see how NO and Indy do outside in cold weather down the stretch.

LOL. Another myth I CONTINUALLY hear around here.

Don't you realize that bad weather FAVORS the PASSING game (unless it's real windy or you are Troy Aikman). Receivers know where they are going. DBs don't and they slip more easily.

Lots of historic passing games have occurred in bad weather. Brady and his backups have had some CRAZY PROLIFIC days in the snow in New England.

Next someone will bring up the Steelers----another HUGE MYTH. If you watch the games you'd know. They pass almost 70-30 the past few seasons and are TERRIBLE at running the ball.
 

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TheCount;3075939 said:
Having a top flight quarterback has never hurt a team, but if you can't run, you're going to have issues. There's a difference between not being able to run and not running the ball often.


Issues? Issues like going to the Superbowl? Arizona and the Steelers were among the WORST running teams last year and where did they end up?

Of course it helps if you can run the ball. But what prize did we get when we ran for 230 yards on the Giants? A LOSS. Romo was off that day and we got beat. Games are won and lost these days on quarterback play, rushing the passer and secondary play.
 

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T-RO;3075913 said:
I am weary of posters failing to appreciate how the NFL works. There was yet another post in the past few days saying "Garrett isn't getting the ball enough to Witten in the red zone." Or "Garret needs to run the ball 40 times a game" These are examples of pure NFL ignorance.

Myth 1. Jason is calling all the plays.

In today's NFL when you come to line of the scrimmage there are many, many times when the play gets CHANGED at the line of scrimmage. This happens perhaps even more often with Romo. The play is changed BASED on the quarterbacks' read at the line of scrimmage.

Nowadays the DEFENSE dictates where plays are going to go. Ask a pro football expert and they will tell you: if a defense wants to take away one or two things that your offense wants to do------ANY NFL defense can do that. Today's NFL is a spontaneous chess match where offenses have to find the best opening left open by the defense on that particular play. And then it changes the next play.

Myth 2: Jason--or any coordinator--determines where a QB throws the ball.
Quarterbacks have up to 5 targets on a play. The coordinator doesn't decide which of those targets a QB throws. Yes there are primary targets but that doesn't always mean a whole lot. It's the quarterback's decision and again this often goes back to what defense is being played and the QB's last second read at the line of scrimmage of the defensive scheme and matches/mismatches.

Myth 3: You win NFL games by running the ball. No you don't. Look at the numbers and you'll see that the top teams pass the ball 60/40 and sometimes even 70/30 of the time. There is no such thing as a top team without an elite quarterback.

Who are the top running team in the NFL? Jets, Titans, Panthers and Dolphins? Bottom Dwellers!!!!! Who are the top ranked passing teams? Saints and Indy--both at 8-0. Also the Pats and Steelers. The two undefeated teams have almost no running games!!!

Myth 4: Jason Garrett is not football smart.
The posters who say this couldn't coach a pop warner football team. You have simply nooooo idea how sophisticated NFL offenses are and how good Garrett is.

Look at the results people!!! In 2 out of 3 seasons Garrett's has his offense in the top 3 of the rankings. That people is scary good. Elite.

Myth 5: Jason Garrett needs to do X, Y or Z more .
No he doesn't. He needs to do exactly what he's doing right now.

You are spot on with all 5 observations.
 
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