Flip-flopping on McFadden

gimmesix

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I have really been torn over whether or not I believe Dallas should try to trade up and take Darren McFadden. So much of the conflict is based on cost and needs at other positions. Getting Adam Jones would help some with one of those concerns, but not completely (since we don't know how he'll act).

The primary things that make me say don't do it are:

1) Having to trade both first-round picks and probably more to trade up.

2) The more pressing needs we currently have IMO at wide receiver and cornerback. We know we have our starting running back, but we don't know if one of the players we want to start at receiver (Terry Glenn) will be able to go and we know we need a capable third corner, who can play on the nickel D and probably have to step in for an injury.

3) The strong depth of the running back class in this draft. Since our primary objective is to get someone to spell Barber, the need to go after the draft's best back isn't pressing.

The primary things that make me say do it are:

1) Although this is a strong RB class, I believe McFadden could be a rare back. This is a player who succeeded against some very, very tough defenses in a tough league, and made several of them look weak. This is a player who succeeded despite Arkansas lacking a decent passing game. This is a player who succeeded last year despite a concussion or two and playing a lot of the season with bruised ribs (which I believe is the main culprit behind his fumbling, since he didn't have a fumbling problem previously). Yes, the Wild Hog formation and having Felix Jones as a backfield teammate helped, but even with both of them on the field, teams still knew the run was coming, focused on McFadden and couldn't stop him consistently. In other words, he's absolutely not going to be a bust and has shown he might be something special.

2) Dallas could kill two birds, possibly three, with one RB. Two of our primary positions of concern are backup running back and "speed" wide receiver, and I believe that McFadden could be the answer at both positions. He wasn't called upon to catch a lot of passes at Arkansas, but his hands have never been a problem and he is a multiposition athlete, being as good in the secondary as he was in the backfield in high school (and recruited for both spots). I truly believe with his size, strength and speed, Dallas could line him up at receiver to provide a speed threat or put him in the backfield with Barber some and then motion him out. That, of course, would be in addition to his duties at running back. On top of that, McFadden was overshadowed by Felix Jones as a kick returner, but he did very well with the opportunites he got. So even though Barber is the starter, McFadden would get plenty of opportunities to contribute, justifying the pick.

3) If we do get Adam Jones and the Raiders are willing to trade down for our two first-rounders (maybe throw in a sixth in 2009), then the price is not too steep in my mind. We'd still have to go after a corner early in the draft, but I'd be willing to stick with the WRs we've got, watch the development of Stanback and have McFadden add that speed threat.

Ultimately, I'm not sure I'd be disappointed with Dallas' decision either way (unless we traded the farm to move up). If we don't get McFadden, we have a good chance of adding two good players at positions that need the depth. If we do get McFadden, we stand a chance of having a special player who can put a lot of added stress on defenses already struggling to contain our stars. That possibility excites me, but what we might be losing to trade up deflates me.
 

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He'd have the single biggest impact of any player we could draft at any position...I'm all for getting him

it's a longshot no doubt, but if we get this kid we're over the top in a big way fro 2008 and beyond

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if the Raiders would be willing to trade the 6th pick for 22 and 28 of course do it. Thats an absolute no brainer.

It would be the biggest steal since the Ditka giveaway and theres a snowballs chance of it happening but of course you do it if they are that dumb.
 

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If we're trading two firsts to get DMac there better be a deal to recoup a first for trading MB3.
 

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I think that if we get McFadden and he out shines Barber in training then McFadden gets the nod and we trade barber to a team like the Dolphins for next years first rounder if he doesn't out shine Barber he will be worked into the system slowly and we would eventualy trade Barber durring the season or next season. I think we could get more for him durring the season. Say the Bears rushing is not up to par again and are desperate we might be able to get above top value for him.
 

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No way do I trade 2 first round picks for McFadden when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on board and serious needs at both CB and WR. No brainer is right.
 

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The only way I would be "ok" with getting McFadden is if it is only for our two first round picks, and only AFTER we have traded for Pacman and a WR (RW, Boldin, or CJ). Now, I'd rather keep the picks and draft a CB and RB if the before mentioned trades happen. McFadden may be a great talent, but we have great talent on our team, we just need to add a few more pieces, and we would be set to make a serious run at a Super Bowl championship.
 

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Sarge;2008046 said:
No way do I trade 2 first round picks for McFadden when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on board and serious needs at both CB and WR. No brainer is right.

Preach on

Morning Sarge
 

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Sarge;2008046 said:
No way do I trade 2 first round picks for McFadden when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on board and serious needs at both CB and WR. No brainer is right.
I really don't know why that is so hard for some to understand. For me, McFadden isn't the final piece of the puzzle for us.
 

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big dog cowboy;2008093 said:
I really don't know why that is so hard for some to understand. For me, McFadden isn't the final piece of the puzzle for us.

I don't understand it either. RB is not an area of need when compared to WR or especially CB, so why throw 2 1st rounders away for a player who is going to be splitting time with a Pro Bowler? CB was an area of need LAST year, and we lost what little we had in FA and some want to address the running game?

When we're getting thrown on for 400 yards a game maybe it'll hit some of these guys in the head.

It's a VERY good draft for RB's to boot. You're gonna get a quality RB in the second round whilst hopefully addressing CB and WR in the first.

IMO/FWIW...
 

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Doesn't make sense to spend our 2 first rounders to trade up/get McFadden. If McF is good, we'd want him on the field taking a lot of snaps, snaps which MBIII would want. Also, 4th draft pick would be huge cap hit while at same time we trying re-sign MBIII to the starter money he wants. Frankly moving up to draft McF only works for 1 year while MBIII is a RFA. After that Jerry would be forced let him go w/o getting anything for him. Remember, we also must re-sign Newman, Canty, Hamlin, Ware, TO, etc before 09 season.

OK let's assume we trade a 5th? for Pacman; don't want give up a 4th . Don't know when Commish lefts the suspension; we also gotta worry about Pacman getting into trouble. To protect ourselves, we gotta use a first rounder on a good CB. Don't forget Newman (30) & Henry (32/33) both had injury problems last year & Henry's contract is over after 09 season. Even if Pacman behaves in first year, there no guarantee he does so in his 2nd season given his track record. We'd also need that young CB to replace Henry. Frankly, I'd love us to draft 2 CBs; maybe Jake Ikegwuouna also a good pick in 4th/5th round even though he can't play in 08.

We also desperately need a young WR with #1 or #2 starting potential.TO
(35) is an elite WR but little behind him. Crayton is a good #3 but w/o TO he's no threat; same goes for Hurd (good hands/no speed) a Crayton clone; Austin inconsistent but has some speed; the unknown Stanbach gets on the field this year as WR for first time; coaches like him but that's pretty much all we know. As for Glenn, we can't risk our season hoping he's healthy & can contribute the whole season.

I don't buy this crap that it takes 2-3 years for a top pick to develop; we got production from the undrafted Hurd in only his 2nd season. Saints 7th rounder WR Colston (from a small school) was big producer in rookie season. Giants got good production later in the season from Smith, once he got healthy. If our scouting department does its job, we draft a smart player w/really good hands, decent to good speed, strong work ethic, who isn't afraid to go over the middle/take hits & runs good routes. I'd prefer we use one of our first rounders cause we probably have better chance getting a future #1 or #2 WR. Now we could get lucky & get one in the 3rd round (after all TO was a 3rd rounder) but he probably slipped cause he came from a small school. For goodness sake, if the screwup Cards can draft 2 successful WRs like Fitz & Bouldin we certainly can. If Landry had listen to some of you, we won't have drafted Michael Irvin in the first round; since he now a HOF he obviously turned out pretty good.

BTW: If we get a CB with our first rounder, I wouldn't be opposed to trading our 28th pick to get 2 second rounders to get a WR & RB & still have our own late 2nd rounder to draft another position of need such as a DT/SS/OG, another CB & maybe an ILB depending on situation at that position (Thomas/Ayodele/Burnett) & Carpenter future with us. Interesting they bringing in ILB Beau for a looksee; he's projected as a 4th rounder.
 

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I love McFadden and if Dallas can sign at least one quality cb or wr, then I like the idea within reason. If not Stewart might slide and Dallas could afford that.
 

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My two cents is that Mac would be a great fit. I think he would make our Wide outs better and although I'm a MBIII lover , he proved that he can't be as productive for the whole game. As seen in the Gints Play off game.

JMO you understand.;)
 

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Sarge;2008108 said:
When we're getting thrown on for 400 yards a game maybe it'll hit some of these guys in the head.




Sarge, if we're giving up huge yds passing it isnt because of the 3rd or 4th string CB, it'd mean we have other huge issues

I have a very difficult time believing we have those huge issues with the rest of the talent we have on D

we lost 4 games last yr...one of them we made no effort to win...two of the three we lost because the offense didnt do jack (incl the playoff game) and we lost the previous January because of the offense more than the defense as well

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The #1 reason I dont want to trade up for McFadden if we get Pacman Jones is if it complicates resigning guys like Ware, Barber, Newman, and Hamlin eventually.

Other than that if Jerry thinks it brings a lombardi to Dallas then im on board even to overspend on him.
 

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dbair1967;2008139 said:
Sarge;2008108 said:
Sarge, if we're giving up huge yds passing it isnt because of the 3rd or 4th string CB, it'd mean we have other huge issues

I have a very difficult time believing we have those huge issues with the rest of the talent we have on D

we lost 4 games last yr...one of them we made no effort to win...two of the three we lost because the offense didnt do jack (incl the playoff game) and we lost the previous January because of the offense more than the defense as well
David

I don't know what to say David. If you think it's more important to trade up for a RB when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on the team than to address the CB position so be it......we couldn't disagree more.

We can grab a VERY solid RB in the second round this year. Giving up the 2 first round picks for a player that is SPLITTING time with a Pro Bowler is a waste.

I don't disagree with you very often, but this one is a whopper.

I am very sorry that you are so wrong about this.


;)
 

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Sarge;2008144 said:
dbair1967;2008139 said:
I don't know what to say David. If you think it's more important to trade up for a RB when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on the team than to address the CB position so be it......we couldn't disagree more.

We can grab a VERY solid RB in the second round this year. Giving up the 2 first round picks for a player that is SPLITTING time with a Pro Bowler is a waste.

I don't disagree with you very often, but this one is a whopper.

I am very sorry that you are so wrong about this.


;)

McFadden's the only RB I'd take in the 1st rd...after that I do agree, there's little sense in taking one in the first.

There are still some variables with Barber though too. As much as we all love him, he has never had to be THE guy, never had carry a load. There's 6 yrs of college and pro history to that. That doesnt mean he CANT do it, but its definitely something that has to be proved. The other issue is his contract. First he isnt signed to one, he's tendered as a 1st and 3rd. There's no guarantee he'll play under that deal and he reportedly wants alot of money. Is now the right time to commit a huge contract for him, or would be better served to see what he does this yr?

David
 

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An interesting tidbit from an article I saw this morning:


"I recently did an running back analysis for another publication and many of the combine studs fizzled in the NFL. Derrick Blaylock, Tatum Bell and particularly Michael Bennett should be amassing Hall of Fame credentials by now. Bennett even clocked a 4.13 at his pro day in Wisconsin, supposedly the fastest time ever for an NFL player. He went over 1,200 yards as a rookie and has bounced around the league since."

Not a McFadden condemnation, but food for thought.

Rampage brought up the Herschel Walker deal in a debate regarding McFadden. It struck me that we would be playing the role of the Vikings this time around.
 
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