Florio: Cowboys not generating much interest at training camp

[Califan007]

One easy way to squash this. What is the average attendance record ?????

Somebody said the record was 9,000+...

Did you mean just the attendance average (more or less)? I asked the same question on page 1. I don't think I got an answer.

 

[DallasEast]

To tell the truth, I have gained a new-found respect for Mike Florio. First of all, he uses the following photo with his article:

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That's freaking genius. Jerry Jones is fuming over those low attendance numbers. lol!

Then, he composes the article that diminishes location as a factor variance for attracting fans. So, by definition of the rhetoric he has some readers lapping up, any team representing "America's Team" would enjoy favorable attendance at training camp--regardless whether it were held away from their home facilities or nearby.

Hmm.

Okay.

The Dallas Cowboys are holding training camp in Oxnard, California--over 1,400 miles away from Arlington, Texas.

Let's suppose the New England Patriots, whom some proclaim as America's Team, held their training camp at a location of comparable distance away from Foxborough, Massachusetts. For the sake of discussion, let's make Little Rock, Arkansas their destination.

That would certainly piss off old Jerruh, would it not?

By Florio's implication, it would mean Tom Brady and company would see approximately 46,000 fans show up in Little Rock for training camp. 46,000 was the weekend attendance number in Foxborough reported by the team's website.

One might think the 1,400-mile gulf between the local Patriots' home fanbase and a city located smack dab in the middle of Arkansas would significantly influence those numbers. Not according to Florio's allusion. What Florio would have does have some readers believing that 25,000+ Patriots fans would automatically descend out of the Ozarks mountains to see New England prepare for the upcoming season.

Hilarious. I wonder if he was as good at getting folks to believe such nonsense as a lawyer as he has as a rumor mill jockey? He probably left many a sucker standing nude dressed only in a wine barrel. lmao.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I was there yesterday and it was nice not having to fight the crowd... also there was alot more seating this year than i remember last year. but again that could be because there was lower attendance.

Well then why didn't you ask Tony how bad his back is?

 

[Califan007]

To tell the truth, I have gained a new-found respect for Mike Florio. First of all, he uses the following photo with his article:

​

That's freaking genius. Jerry Jones is fuming over those low attendance numbers. lol!

Then, he composes the article that diminishes location as a factor variance for attracting fans. So, by definition of the rhetoric he has some readers lapping up, any team representing "America's Team" would enjoy favorable attendance at training camp--regardless whether it were held away from their home facilities or nearby.

Hmm.

Okay.

The Dallas Cowboys are holding training in Oxnard, California--over 1,400 miles away from Arlington, Texas.

Let's suppose the New England Patriots, whom some proclaim as America's Team, held their training camp at a location of comparable distance away from Foxborough, Massachusetts. For the sake of discussion, let's make Little Rock, Arkansas their destination.

That would certainly piss off old Jerruh, would it not?

By Florio's implication, it would mean Tom Brady and company would see approximately 46,000 fans show up in Little Rock for training camp. 46,000 was the weekend attendance number in Foxborough reported by the team's website.

One might think the 1,400-mile gulf between the local Patriots' home fanbase and a city located smack dab in the middle of Arkansas would significantly influence those numbers. Not according to Florio's allusion. What Florio would have does have some readers believing that 25,000+ Patriots fans would automatically descend out of the Ozarks mountains to see New England prepare for the upcoming season.

Hilarious. I wonder if he was as good at getting folks to believe such nonsense as a lawyer as he has as a rumor mill jockey? He probably left many a sucker standing nude dressed only in a wine barrel. lmao.

The only problem with this is, what if the attendance numbers this offseason are significantly lower than in past seasons? Then you can't chalk it up to training camp location, since the location is the same as in past years. It would have to be chalked up to something else.

As someone mentioned above, showing the average TC attendance numbers over the past "x" years would go a long way.

 

[DallasEast]

The only problem with this is, what if the attendance numbers this offseason are significantly lower than in past seasons? Then you can't chalk it up to training camp location, since the location is the same as in past years. It would have to be chalked up to something else.

As someone mentioned above, showing the average TC attendance numbers over the past "x" years would go a long way.

Oh, please.

Attendance would vary for any team even if teams held training camp at their home facilities. What has the attendance numbers been for Washington's training camps over the past few years? Have all the training camps been held in Richmond? If so, have they held steady at 11,000?

Good grief.

Attendance will flucuate regardless of location or circumstance. If you wish to debate that fact, knock yourself out. Me? I'm just commenting about Florio's nonsensical implication about the title of America's Team and how it directly determines training camp attendance regardless of a main contributing tangible factor.

Waitasec.

May I ask a question?

If Washington relocated their training camp next year to Kearney, Nebraska, would you anticipate the team drawing similar attendance comparable to Richmond's as reported by Florio?

 

[Zordon]

I wanted to address a mix-up for you. Florio has never been a reporter. He was an attorney by trade who started a football rumor blog. His ability to compile rumor and news and add a spice of humor into allowed him to build his site into a must-read. He then signed a very lucrative partnership with NBC which allowed him to leave the law business and focus on his site full-time. He now has a credible site for news and rumors and whatnot, but he was never a traditional reporter. He was an aggregator of news like many other blogs.

I never knew that. I always thought he was cut from the same cloth as peter king.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I never knew that. I always thought he was cut from the same cloth as peter king.

Nah, that's an insult to Peter King, who despite my opinion of some of his observations, I feel is a top notch journalist. Florio has been able to elevate himself into the realm of journalism without actually studying to be one nor observing the traditional rules of journalism. However, he has been able to hire a set of traditional journalists to run his site and provide some semblance of credibility.

 

[Califan007]

Oh, please.

Attendance would vary for any team even if teams held training camp at their home facilities. What has the attendance numbers been for Washington's training camps over the past few years? Have all the training camps been held in Richmond? If so, have they held steady at 11,000?

Good grief.

Attendance will flucuate regardless of location or circumstance. If you wish to debate that fact, knock yourself out. Me? I'm just commenting about Florio's nonsensical implication about the title of America's Team and how it directly determines training camp attendance regardless of a main contributing tangible factor.

Waitasec.

May I ask a question?

If Washington relocated their training camp next year to Kearney, Nebraska, would you anticipate the team drawing similar attendance comparable to Richmond's as reported by Florio?

Again....just show the attendance numbers for the last "x" years in Oxnard. If they've remained consistent until this year, it's fair to ask what may have caused the decline. If they fluctuate significantly, then you have a more valid point.

Does anyone have those numbers, btw?

 

[Califan007]

Since nobody has given any actual figures (at least from what I've read in the thread), here's a start. Found this doing the google:

(day 8 of TC) Fans in attendance for Monday’s practice numbered at 2,090, bringing the training camp attendance total to 31,906.

That was from last year. So that's about 32,000 in attendance through 8 days of camp. When Florio wrote up this stuff, there was about 7,700 through 3 days.

 

[Doomsday101]

does not matter soon training camp will be in Frisco TX

The Frisco City Council got an early look Monday at what the Dallas Cowboys’ future home along the Dallas North Tollway could look like.

The project is evolving, and a lot is expected to change before construction starts. The site plan shown Monday, for example, is the 57th version drafted. But the renderings and a brief video offered a sense of what architects, designers, planners and others envision.

Though pleased with what they saw, council members urged the planners to keep them involved on the 91-acre headquarters development.

“We are all very much vested in this project,” Mayor Pro Tem Jeff Cheney said. “We owe it to our citizens to make sure it’s done right.”

The two outdoor practice fields will be reserved exclusively for the Cowboys, while the multi-use sports complex will be for a variety of events, including high school football games, marching band contests and Cowboy training camp.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/news/co...city-council-gets-a-peek-at-cowboys-plans.ece

 

[Yakuza Rich]

[open thread]

The question was about attendance numbers. Having the stadium with the option of having the largest capacity in the NFL would definitely effect those numbers, would they not?

As for your question, sell-outs and attendance are two different things. Stadiums that are 85% full (attendance) could also technically be sold out (sellout).

1. My question goes back to when the Cowboys were at Texas Stadium when the capacity was far less than AT&T Stadium.


2. No other team has the consecutive sellout streak for both home AND away games that the Cowboys do.

For instance, when the Cowboys played Oakland at Oakland in 2005...it sold out. Oakland is routinely known for being blacked out due to not selling out in the months of September and October. When we played Jacksonville in the season opener in 2006 at Jacksonville...it was again sold out.

And whether you're looking at sell outs or attendance, we blow out the rest of the league.





YR

 

[DallasEast]

Again....just show the attendance numbers for the last "x" years in Oxnard. If they've remained consistent until this year, it's fair to ask what may have caused the decline. If they fluctuate significantly, then you have a more valid point.

Does anyone have those numbers, btw?

Do your own grunt work, sir. The internet is freely assessible to you.

"A more valid point." lol.

 

[Califan007]

Do your own grunt work, sir. The internet is freely assessible to you.

"A more valid point." lol.

Yeah, that's a common retort around here lol..."I don't have to prove my point, you need to disprove it."

And "a more valid point", in case it's confusing you, means you didn't really have a valid point to begin with...but you could give your point more validity if you backed it up with something other than dismissive ridicule.

 

[DallasEast]

Yeah, that's a common retort around here lol..."I don't have to prove my point, you need to disprove it."

And "a more valid point", in case it's confusing you, means you didn't really have a valid point to begin with...but you could give your point more validity if you backed it up with something other than dismissive ridicule.

Here we go...

 

[Califan007]

1. My question goes back to when the Cowboys were at Texas Stadium when the capacity was far less than AT&T Stadium.

And I'm imagining that the attendance numbers for the Cowboys were far less than they are at AT&T Stadium, no? Which would effect the Cowboys' ranking as having the highest attendance in the league. That was my point.

2. No other team has the consecutive sellout streak for both home AND away games that the Cowboys do.

For instance, when the Cowboys played Oakland at Oakland in 2005...it sold out. Oakland is routinely known for being blacked out due to not selling out in the months of September and October. When we played Jacksonville in the season opener in 2006 at Jacksonville...it was again sold out.

I can't find the listing of sold out "away" games, so I'll have to take your word for it. You're lagging behind in consecutive sold out home games, though...

And whether you're looking at sell outs or attendance, we blow out the rest of the league.

And again...having the NFL's largest stadium in terms of capacity kinda plays a role in that lol...

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Is it really important that the Cowboys have less attendance this year than others?

If AT&T is half full & 25%'of that half are opponents fans now that matters.

But training camp?

 

[DandyDon1722]

When is the last time we have not recorded a sellout...either at home OR on the road?

/thread




YR

Exactly right. The attendance figures are combined home and away and I think it's been about five years in a row we've led the league. I wrote Florio an email telling him what a disingenuous article it was considering our camp is 1500 miles away from Texas. Also told him if he had any doubts as to the Cowboys popularity in Cali, go to the Chargers pre season game and look around. Was anybody else there last year for the regular season game?

Again we'd all rather have Super Bowls but he got snarky with that lady little line about us.

BTW...he did not respond lol.

 

[DallasEast]

Exactly right. The attendance figures are combined home and away and I think it's been about five years in a row we've led the league. I wrote Florio an email telling him what a disingenuous article it was considering our camp is 1500 miles away from Texas. Also told him if he had any doubts as to the Cowboys popularity in Cali, go to the Chargers pre season game and look around. Was anybody else there last year for the regular season game?

Again we'd all rather have Super Bowls but he got snarky with that lady little line about us.

BTW...he did not respond lol.

I doubt Florio would respond even if he has the opportunity to read your message. The article's underlying implication was intentional and generated the level of reader sentiment he desired. To tell the truth, I'm going to pay him more attention in the future than I have in the past. He's a smart cookie when it comes to pimping his site. And pimping isn't a pun (lol).

 

[5Stars]

And I'm imagining that the attendance numbers for the Cowboys were far less than they are at AT&T Stadium, no? Which would effect the Cowboys' ranking as having the highest attendance in the league. That was my point.




I can't find the listing of sold out "away" games, so I'll have to take your word for it. You're lagging behind in consecutive sold out home games, though...




And again...having the NFL's largest stadium in terms of capacity kinda plays a role in that lol...

Dude, get the hell out of here and go troll the Commanders forum.

Besides, you guys have more fans at training camp than the Cowboys so that means you are a better team....feel good now?

 

[DFWJC]

Dallas' average attendance last year--home and away combined--exceeded 100% capacity.

So did Green Bay and Denver.