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[Macnalty]

I have a difficult time with Takk/Watt fitting our scheme(not their talent) and Harris IMO is not BPA. It seems like there are better prospects available, maybe not and this is what you get at 28. We are really stressed with our current level of talent at DB in 2017 and we need some immediate help IMO, the time for projects left the building.
How we stand right now these are our starters. I am not a big Nolan Carroll(30) fan and Anthony Brown(23) is still going to make some mistakes. Does anyone see Byron Jones(24) making the leap to pro-bowl status this year? Scandrick was exposed last year I guess we have to hope he has recovered from his knee and suddenly become durable at age 30. Jeff Heath(25) was almost carried out of town by the cowboy villagers because of his "on the field play" during his rookie season.
Nolan Carroll Right CB
Jeff Heath SS
Orlando Scandrick Nickel-back
Byron Jones FS
Anthony Brown Left CB

backups
Leon Mcfadden LCB
Jeremiah Mckinnon LCB
Jameill Showers FS
Kavon Fraser SS
Sammy Seamster RCB
Duke Thomas RCB

 

[Macnalty]

I'm going with Taco.

He certainly has a high ceiling and fits our scheme.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If you go by that list who is our first rd pick? taco? Mike Williams? Fabian, Tak, TJ Watts, Obi?

Im going with Takk

 

[Risen Star]

I hate to believe the Cowboys play poker with their cards facing the table, but they do telegraph their interests quite a bit. This is also the only team to have their draft board leak three times in 7 years. I'm not aware of any other team's board making it to the internet. I'm sure there's even more correlation between visits and the draft boards.

It's not really surprising considering who runs this team. You expect the mismanagement. You've lived it for over two decades.

 

[ksg811]

I have a difficult time with Takk/Watt fitting our scheme(not their talent) and Harris IMO is not BPA. It seems like there are better prospects available, maybe not and this is what you get at 28. We are really stressed with our current level of talent at DB in 2017 and we need some immediate help IMO, the time for projects left the building.
How we stand right now these are our starters. I am not a big Nolan Carroll(30) fan and Anthony Brown(23) is still going to make some mistakes. Does anyone see Byron Jones(24) making the leap to pro-bowl status this year? Scandrick was exposed last year I guess we have to hope he has recovered from his knee and suddenly become durable at age 30. Jeff Heath(25) was almost carried out of town by the cowboy villagers because of his "on the field play" during his rookie season.
Nolan Carroll Right CB
Jeff Heath SS
Orlando Scandrick Nickel-back
Byron Jones FS
Anthony Brown Left CB

backups
Leon Mcfadden LCB
Jeremiah Mckinnon LCB
Jameill Showers FS
Kavon Fraser SS
Sammy Seamster RCB
Duke Thomas RCB

What about Takk doesn't fit our scheme? He's a speed rusher off the weak side from the 7 or wide 9 technique. That's not somebody we have on the roster right now. No one on the roster has that type of burst or closing speed to play that wide and create backfield pressure.

 

[reddyuta]

What about Takk doesn't fit our scheme? He's a speed rusher off the weak side from the 7 or wide 9 technique. That's not somebody we have on the roster right now. No one on the roster has that type of burst or closing speed to play that wide and create backfield pressure.

exactly.Gregory will never play in this league unless they change the Pot rules and i am not holding my breadth right now for that.

 

[Rogerthat12]

 

[xwalker]

12 of 18 are DBs.

 

[Rogerthat12]

12 of 18 are DBs.

Yep and 5 DE's, they mean business on those DBs!

 

[Macnalty]

What about Takk doesn't fit our scheme? He's a speed rusher off the weak side from the 7 or wide 9 technique. That's not somebody we have on the roster right now. No one on the roster has that type of burst or closing speed to play that wide and create backfield pressure.

I really see the need for a DB with the current talent in house. Takk is generally seen as a 3-4 talent, he is going to be good but then again so is Carl Lawson from Auburn he just has a injury history. I have watched film on Takk and most of the time he is more effort than talent IMO. I like him just not in love.

 

[John813]

I'm going with Taco.

FWIW, Miami is very high on Taco.

Reading about him on Miami Dolphin articles/forums, it seems either him or Malik Mcdowell are the two guys the Dolphins are really keying on in the first. Taco, IMO, fits their team better than MM.

 

[Zekeats]

Trade up for Derek Barnett. I would give up my first two picks for him.

 

[ksg811]

I really see the need for a DB with the current talent in house. Takk is generally seen as a 3-4 talent, he is going to be good but then again so is Carl Lawson from Auburn he just has a injury history. I have watched film on Takk and most of the time he is more effort than talent IMO. I like him just not in love.

I don't understand the 3-4 vs. 4-3 argument. UCLA utilized both so he has experience in both. The responsibilities of a rush OLB and 4-3 RDE are the same; it's a one gap responsibility with the main goal of getting the quarterback.

Secondly, defenses play in sub packages 50%+ anyway, and those rush linebackers generally move up to the line from a 3 point stance in sub defense.

It's one injury and not a serious one at that so I'm not too concerned. I just think his combination of burst and motor is hard to ignore. He's also incredibly long, and I think Marinelli can teach how use that to the fullest.

 

[Macnalty]

I don't understand the 3-4 vs. 4-3 argument. UCLA utilized both so he has experience in both. The responsibilities of a rush OLB and 4-3 RDE are the same; it's a one gap responsibility with the main goal of getting the quarterback.

Secondly, defenses play in sub packages 50%+ anyway, and those rush linebackers generally move up to the line from a 3 point stance in sub defense.

It's one injury and not a serious one at that so I'm not too concerned. I just think his combination of burst and motor is hard to ignore. He's also incredibly long, and I think Marinelli can teach how use that to the fullest.

I agree the injury is not serious, I initially liked Carl Lawson before the 2016 season and thought he was going to give Myles Garrett a run, that proved to not be the case.
You describe the positions correctly and the Cowboys brought him in for a visit, a 3-4 DE are quicker athletes rushing from the outside and forces offensive adjustments that empty the backfield, that fits Takk IMO, 4-3 DE is big DE on big Tackle just to simplify things and Takk is not built to do battle like a base 4-3 would require. We like that big on big because of Rod and his ability to camouflage his defensive fronts. I think Rod believes he has an edge with big on big. Would Takk work here? Of course but not a perfect fit for what DC wants to do with the Dline IMO. Like I said we are picking #28 and no one is going to be perfect.

 

[ksg811]

I agree the injury is not serious, I initially liked Carl Lawson before the 2016 season and thought he was going to give Myles Garrett a run, that proved to not be the case.
You describe the positions correctly and the Cowboys brought him in for a visit, a 3-4 DE are quicker athletes rushing from the outside and forces offensive adjustments that empty the backfield, that fits Takk IMO, 4-3 DE is big DE on big Tackle just to simplify things and Takk is not built to do battle like a base 4-3 would require. We like that big on big because of Rod and his ability to camouflage his defensive fronts. I think Rod believes he has an edge with big on big. Would Takk work here? Of course but not a perfect fit for what DC wants to do with the Dline IMO. Like I said we are picking #28 and no one is going to be perfect.

Does Rod Marinelli LIKE the big on big or is that what he's forced to do based on the personnel he has to work with? Remember the early 2000's Buccaneers? Marinelli was the D-line coach and assistant coach of those teams and they had 265 pound ("undersized" for that time) speed rushing from a wide position on the weakside. I think the Marinelli defense of the last couple years is more a matter of personnel than scheme choice.

Marinelli is a brilliant defensive mind (In my opinion) and works his scheme to his personnel; he doesn't try to force a scheme when he doesn't have the right players. With all the changes this season, they are clearly letting Rod build his defense in his vision, which would include a speed rushing LEO, which Takk fits the mold of.