For those wanting to know about offensive line of Cowboys, what smoaky said

[cowboyjoe]

I thought I would post for those that didnt hear what david smoaky of ktbb said the other day about the offensive line.
Smoaky basically said when he went up to valley ranch this week, that all of the offensive linemen, gurode, davis, columbo, all of them except flozell were mad and ticked off the way they played against the cardinals, and they vowed to do something about it.
However, smoaky said that Flozell Adams still thought he played ok, now that is what i think one of the problems is on this team, this is a veteran guy, and best i remember he has been on the winning team in 98 when the oowboys went to the playoffs, etc, and he is content with the way he played.
Something is wrong with that, and that maybe why reports were that he and hudson houck didnt get along, becausse flozell is content sometimes way he plays, and houck is in your face supposedly type of coach.
Yet, to me, when one of your supposedly veteran offensive linemen says, i did ok blocking, and a horrible run and pass blocking that flozell played, then something is wrong and needs to be corrected and flozell made accountable.

what do you zoners think?

 

[Coakleys Dad]

you couldnt be more right.

 

[silverbear]

what do you zoners think?

I think it's comical the way you constantly cite "smoaky" as the definitive oracle of all things Cowboys related... frankly, I'm considerably less than impressed with his "analysis"...

Example-- you and "smoaky" are blaming the offensive line for the loss to the Cards, and that's just ASININE... oh, they didn't have their best game, but they racked up 374 yards (about 65 yards more than the Cards were allowing defensively going into the game) and averaged 5.9 yards per play the Cards were averaging right at 5.5 ypp allowed going into the game), and that's not possible unless the offensive line is doing a capable job...

But you two fail to put the blame where it REALLY belongs, which leads me to wonder how much either one of you knows about football... lemme help you out here, what unit was responsible for:

a) Allowing a kickoff return for a TD on the opening kickoff??

b) Doinking a shortish field goal attempt off of the upright just before the end of the first half?? (I'll give Folk a pass for that one, just because nobody's perfect, and he's been pretty consistent)

c) Giving up a blocked punt in overtime that was returned for a TD??

Seldom in the history of football has one team's special teams been more directly responsible for a loss... if just one of the first two things doesn't happen, the game never gets to overtime, and the Boys win...

But noooooo, let's all make the OL our designated scapegoat... never mind that the Boys are 3rd in the NFL in total offense, 3rd in passing offense, and 3rd in points per game...

You can't put up numbers that good if your offensive line isn't doing a pretty fair job... as I said, I think they're capable of even better numbers, but they're not the reason the Cowboys lost to the Cards, period...

 

[Vertigo_17]

maybe Flo's reasoning is that he played OK despite the fact that he couldn't raise his left arm. there really is not other reasoning IMO.

these guys need to play better.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

maybe Flo's reasoning is that he played OK despite the fact that he couldn't raise his left arm. there really is not other reasoning IMO.

these guys need to play better.

especially when this was supposed to be one of our main strengths

 

[cowboyjoe]

well what i heard, when hudson houck left the cowboys, flozell and houck didnt get along because houck expected flozell to work harder, be more intense and bury people, and flozell didnt like that or to work that hard, thats what i heard, again, i dont know, but thats what i remember reading somewhere, so seeing if anyone that remembers that,

flozell and houck not getting along,

 

[Apollo Creed]

We also wont play a front 4 as fired up, physical, strong, and fast as the Cards either. That bunch really can get after your QB.

 

[Biggems]

I think it's comical the way you constantly cite "smoaky" as the definitive oracle of all things Cowboys related... frankly, I'm considerably less than impressed with his "analysis"...

Example-- you and "smoaky" are blaming the offensive line for the loss to the Cards, and that's just ASININE... oh, they didn't have their best game, but they racked up 374 yards (about 65 yards more than the Cards were allowing defensively going into the game) and averaged 5.9 yards per play the Cards were averaging right at 5.5 ypp allowed going into the game), and that's not possible unless the offensive line is doing a capable job...

But you two fail to put the blame where it REALLY belongs, which leads me to wonder how much either one of you knows about football... lemme help you out here, what unit was responsible for:

a) Allowing a kickoff return for a TD on the opening kickoff??

b) Doinking a shortish field goal attempt off of the upright just before the end of the first half?? (I'll give Folk a pass for that one, just because nobody's perfect, and he's been pretty consistent)

c) Giving up a blocked punt in overtime that was returned for a TD??

Seldom in the history of football has one team's special teams been more directly responsible for a loss... if just one of the first two things doesn't happen, the game never gets to overtime, and the Boys win...

But noooooo, let's all make the OL our designated scapegoat... never mind that the Boys are 3rd in the NFL in total offense, 3rd in passing offense, and 3rd in points per game...

You can't put up numbers that good if your offensive line isn't doing a pretty fair job... as I said, I think they're capable of even better numbers, but they're not the reason the Cowboys lost to the Cards, period...

Bear you are getting senile in your old age........it is the fault of the OL and that is that. Smoaky has spoken and so it has come to pass. Just fall in like like the rest of the sheep please......:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[Coakleys Dad]

We also wont play a front 4 as fired up, physical, strong, and fast as the Cards either. That bunch really can get after your QB.

how bout the giants in two weeeks?

 

[silverbear]

Bear you are getting senile in your old age...

And some in here seem to have found senility in their YOUTH...

.....it is the fault of the OL and that is that. Smoaky has spoken and so it has come to pass. Just fall in like like the rest of the sheep please......:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I stand corrected, and humbly apologize for doubting the football genius that is "smoaky"... from this point forward, I will never, ever again doubt one of the pronouncements from this legend living among us...

No matter how braindead that pronouncement might be... LOL...

 

[dcfanatic]

I think it's comical the way you constantly cite "smoaky" as the definitive oracle of all things Cowboys related... frankly, I'm considerably less than impressed with his "analysis"...

Example-- you and "smoaky" are blaming the offensive line for the loss to the Cards, and that's just ASININE... oh, they didn't have their best game, but they racked up 374 yards (about 65 yards more than the Cards were allowing defensively going into the game) and averaged 5.9 yards per play the Cards were averaging right at 5.5 ypp allowed going into the game), and that's not possible unless the offensive line is doing a capable job...

But you two fail to put the blame where it REALLY belongs, which leads me to wonder how much either one of you knows about football... lemme help you out here, what unit was responsible for:

a) Allowing a kickoff return for a TD on the opening kickoff??

b) Doinking a shortish field goal attempt off of the upright just before the end of the first half?? (I'll give Folk a pass for that one, just because nobody's perfect, and he's been pretty consistent)

c) Giving up a blocked punt in overtime that was returned for a TD??

Seldom in the history of football has one team's special teams been more directly responsible for a loss... if just one of the first two things doesn't happen, the game never gets to overtime, and the Boys win...

But noooooo, let's all make the OL our designated scapegoat... never mind that the Boys are 3rd in the NFL in total offense, 3rd in passing offense, and 3rd in points per game...

You can't put up numbers that good if your offensive line isn't doing a pretty fair job... as I said, I think they're capable of even better numbers, but they're not the reason the Cowboys lost to the Cards, period...

If you take away the two plays where the Cardinals defense looked like a high school team, MBIII and Crayton going for a total of 125 yards, then the Cowboys offense put up 249 yards on 58 plays. Plus the offensive line had 60 yards of penalties (witten included on 2 false starts).

So yeah, the special teams stunk it up to the high heavens, but for anyone to even stick up for the O-Line this week is just weak sauce.

And this has nothing to do with Smoaky or Cowboyjoe. It has to do with you trying to act like a football genius over those two.

 

[Biggems]

If you take away the two plays where the Cardinals defense looked like a high school team, MBIII and Crayton going for a total of 125 yards, then the Cowboys offense put up 249 yards on 58 plays. Plus the offensive line had 60 yards of penalties (witten included on 2 false starts).

So yeah, the special teams stunk it up to the high heavens, but for anyone to even stick up for the O-Line this week is just weak sauce.

And this has nothing to do with Smoaky or Cowboyjoe. It has to do with you trying to act like a football genius over those two.

but those plays happened...so u cant take them away.

if you take away the 3rd and 17 conversion by the Cardinals, Dallas keeps momentum and probably wins the game by 2+ TDs.....

 

[dcfanatic]

but those plays happened...so u cant take them away.

if you take away the 3rd and 17 conversion by the Cardinals, Dallas keeps momentum and probably wins the game by 2+ TDs.....

The point was that the offensive line gets no pass about their play in that game.

Let's not even say it was only the offensive line. The TE's and Deon Anderson stunk as well. Romo was beaten to a pulp by the time he got to OT.

 

[TNCowboy]

The OL is hand-in-hand with ST as to why we lost the Cards' game.

Flozell and Greg Ellis are the two long-term players on the roster. I'm beginning to think they're the two primary reasons this team fails every December. When these two guys are the ones the young guys look up to, it's no wonder there's no leadership amongst the players.

 

[Paniolo22]

but those plays happened...so u cant take them away.

if you take away the 3rd and 17 conversion by the Cardinals, Dallas keeps momentum and probably wins the game by 2+ TDs.....

So if we have 2 90 yard passes and an 80 yard run and get 300 yards of offense in 60 plays, we wouldn't have the right to complain? Especially if we lost? Of course we can say that 57 plays netted 40 yards and think that stinks. Our Oline played BAD, especially our tackles, who were routinely beat around the edges. If Flo doesn't see that, he has a problem. At least MC admits to playing crappy.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

what in the he77 is Flo drinking?

 

[Chuck 54]

I think it's comical the way you constantly cite "smoaky" as the definitive oracle of all things Cowboys related... frankly, I'm considerably less than impressed with his "analysis"...

Example-- you and "smoaky" are blaming the offensive line for the loss to the Cards, and that's just ASININE... oh, they didn't have their best game, but they racked up 374 yards (about 65 yards more than the Cards were allowing defensively going into the game) and averaged 5.9 yards per play the Cards were averaging right at 5.5 ypp allowed going into the game), and that's not possible unless the offensive line is doing a capable job...

But you two fail to put the blame where it REALLY belongs, which leads me to wonder how much either one of you knows about football... lemme help you out here, what unit was responsible for:

a) Allowing a kickoff return for a TD on the opening kickoff??

b) Doinking a shortish field goal attempt off of the upright just before the end of the first half?? (I'll give Folk a pass for that one, just because nobody's perfect, and he's been pretty consistent)

c) Giving up a blocked punt in overtime that was returned for a TD??

Seldom in the history of football has one team's special teams been more directly responsible for a loss... if just one of the first two things doesn't happen, the game never gets to overtime, and the Boys win...

But noooooo, let's all make the OL our designated scapegoat... never mind that the Boys are 3rd in the NFL in total offense, 3rd in passing offense, and 3rd in points per game...

You can't put up numbers that good if your offensive line isn't doing a pretty fair job... as I said, I think they're capable of even better numbers, but they're not the reason the Cowboys lost to the Cards, period...

Let's forget the whole goofy Smoaky thing...and let's forget blaming the OL for the loss...I'm sure your post game film grading is bound to have shown that Flozell did NOT have a good game...I'd say, without postgame film grading, that he had perhaps his worst game this season. I think the most important point is that Flo should have some concern instead of "thinking he played ok".

 

[ejthedj]

I think it's comical the way you constantly cite "smoaky" as the definitive oracle of all things Cowboys related... frankly, I'm considerably less than impressed with his "analysis"...

Example-- you and "smoaky" are blaming the offensive line for the loss to the Cards, and that's just ASININE... oh, they didn't have their best game, but they racked up 374 yards (about 65 yards more than the Cards were allowing defensively going into the game) and averaged 5.9 yards per play the Cards were averaging right at 5.5 ypp allowed going into the game), and that's not possible unless the offensive line is doing a capable job...

But you two fail to put the blame where it REALLY belongs, which leads me to wonder how much either one of you knows about football... lemme help you out here, what unit was responsible for:

a) Allowing a kickoff return for a TD on the opening kickoff??

b) Doinking a shortish field goal attempt off of the upright just before the end of the first half?? (I'll give Folk a pass for that one, just because nobody's perfect, and he's been pretty consistent)

c) Giving up a blocked punt in overtime that was returned for a TD??

Seldom in the history of football has one team's special teams been more directly responsible for a loss... if just one of the first two things doesn't happen, the game never gets to overtime, and the Boys win...

But noooooo, let's all make the OL our designated scapegoat... never mind that the Boys are 3rd in the NFL in total offense, 3rd in passing offense, and 3rd in points per game...

You can't put up numbers that good if your offensive line isn't doing a pretty fair job... as I said, I think they're capable of even better numbers, but they're not the reason the Cowboys lost to the Cards, period...

Sure, the special teams cost us the game.

But if you think the line played well last week, talk to Romo's hand and the about 18 other bruises from the !19! knock downs he took

 

[cowboyjoe]

thats my main point ejthedj
thanks for responding to that negative remark, sure special teams lost, but any time a QB gets hit 19 times, something is wrong, and when Bigg Davis says we played horribly, and we are ticked off about it, upset and mad, and we are going to fix that. But only one of the offensive linemen like flozell adams says, i played ok, something is wrong.

Just like john madden said, you win the game in the trenches, by the offensive and defensive lines. If they play badly, then you stink the game up.

As far as media members, if you look at my posts, i comment on jenn engel, jacquee taylor, nate newton, brady tinker, archer, and others.

what i try to do, is not nick pick anyones post, i never have posted negatively on anyones post, never. We all are dallas cowboy fans, and i try to share that with cowboy fans, and give news when i hear it from the media members.

 

[cowboyjoe]

right CrazyCowboy
, flozell sure is on something or drank something to think he played ok, the way he played, any 9 year old could see that the way flozell, there even have been remarks before about flozells commitment to the game, his dedication, intensity and desire.

i am not doubting that he played hard, he tried to play on one arm, and that does take guts, or whatever, but when you stink the way flozell played, be a man, admit it like Bigg Leonard Davis did, and correct those issues.

to me, flozell knew that he couldnt use that arm, and he was getting romo killed, he should have gone to the offensive line coach and told him, you had better play mcquistan or doug free, i cant use my left arm to extend, etc.

thats what was called for to me, but when you play a bad game, and deep down inside you know it, be a man, admit it,