Forced Missed Tackles so far - go Murray!

[dstovall5]

Why would you include them? My contention was his stats were inflated by large leads and defenses playing accordingly.

And you're just flat out wrong, I really don't understand why you're keeping this up as if you're onto something here. Again, I'll show MORE statistics to disprove your "contention".

You just said his stats are inflated by large leads, correct? While behind 1-8 points, Alfred Morris has 16 attempts for 80 yards, which comes out to a 5.0 YPC. So 16 of his 40 rushes have came from when the team is behind only 1-8 points, and he still has carried a 5.0 YPC. I'm sure you'll come back saying 8 points is a "large lead" still causing his stats to be "inflated". I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong, whether you wont to admit that or not is besides the point.

I think 24 points is a large lead.

What about 1-8 points, is this still a "large lead"? I'm sure you'll say it is ...

or not

#MythBusted, Again.

 

[cowboys2233]

Who ever came up with the colors in this bar chart should be shot.

 

[Lonestar94]

Who ever came up with the colors in this bar chart should be shot.

Strange, colors look spot on to me.

Running low on things to complain about tonight?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

And you're just flat out wrong, I really don't understand why you're keeping this up as if you're onto something here. Again, I'll show MORE statistics to disprove your "contention".

You just said his stats are inflated by large leads, correct? While behind 1-8 points, Alfred Morris has 16 attempts for 80 yards, which comes out to a 5.0 YPC. So 16 of his 40 rushes have came from when the team is behind only 1-8 points, and he still has carried a 5.0 YPC. I'm sure you'll come back saying 8 points is a "large lead" still causing his stats to be "inflated". I'm sorry, but you're just flat out wrong, whether you wont to admit that or not is besides the point.


What about 1-8 points, is this still a "large lead"? I'm sure you'll say it is ...



#MythBusted, Again.

I'm sure you can continue to manipulate his stats in all kind of ways. like looking at 1-8 point deficits and ignoring the portions of the game that was tied.

he posted a huge statistical game against the packers....when the game was over. he was a non factor in week one..worse even as he was the goat of that game. and useless for the team in week two when he could of helped.

so your stats don't move me at all.

 

[Bleu Star]

This thread makes me laugh. A picture is worth 1000 words.

 

[cowboys2233]

Strange, colors look spot on to me.

I'd hate to see your wardrobe then.

 

[dstovall5]

I'm sure you can continue to manipulate his stats in all kind of ways. like looking at 1-8 point deficits and ignoring the portions of the game that was tied.

I gave you the larger sample size, because a larger sample tends to give more accurate results, correct? I'm not manipulating any stats, matter of fact, I'll post all the data I was using as my reference, it doesn't make a difference; you're still wrong lol. We'll put your theory to test if his stats are actually inflated, or if you're just making up some B.S.

he posted a huge statistical game against the packers....when the game was over. he was a non factor in week one..worse even as he was the goat of that game. and useless for the team in week two when he could of helped.

Week 1 / 12 attempts / 45 yards / 3.8 YPC / 1 TD
Week 2 / 13 attempts / 107 yards / 8.2 YPC / 0 TD
Week 3 / 15 attempts / 73 yards / 4.9 YPC / 1 TD

Not his fault he's on a crappy team that constantly falls behind, which causes them to abandon their run game.
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Here's the stats I apparently "manipulated". - http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/15009/alfred-morris

Ahead By 1-8 Points / 1 attempt / 3 yards / 3.0 YPC
When Tied / 7 attempts / 20 yards / 2.9 YPC
Behind By 1-8 Points / 16 attempts / 80 yards / 5.0 YPC
Behind By 9-16 Points / 2 attempts / 4 yards / 2.0 YPC

so your stats don't move me at all.

In other words, "because your stats disprove my B.S made up theory about Morris, I will ignore them and turn a blind eye".
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Got me defending a Commander, SMH. If you're going to discredit a player and say their stats are "inflated", at least do some research first and not just talk out of your rear. Have a good day/night, I'm going to bed.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Not his fault he's on a crappy team that constantly falls behind, which causes them to abandon their run game.

It's not his fault he is an average NFL running back either.

 

[dstovall5]

It's not his fault he is an average NFL running back either.

Yah, I wouldn't respond to any of the other stuff either, because you've already showed you're basing your opinion on straight B.S.

G.N.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Yah, I wouldn't respond to any of the other stuff either, because you've already showed you're basing your opinion on straight B.S.

G.N.

I've already went over the stats in detail. 107 yards against the packers, and nearly all of it after the game was over. He did nothing in week one.

you didn't prove jack. the guy is simply average.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Here's the stats I apparently "manipulated". - http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/15009/alfred-morris

Ahead By 1-8 Points / 1 attempt / 3 yards / 3.0 YPC
When Tied / 7 attempts / 20 yards / 2.9 YPC
Behind By 1-8 Points / 16 attempts / 80 yards / 5.0 YPC
Behind By 9-16 Points / 2 attempts / 4 yards / 2.0 YPC

In other words, "because your stats disprove my B.S made up theory about Morris, I will ignore them and turn a blind eye".

wow you are dense.

Morris has 225 yards on the season. Add up your non manipulated breakdown genius.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Easy to rack up a high average when the defense allows you to run out the clock

26 carries 107 yards. 4.11 average when the game is within two possessions of a tie.

14 carries 118 yards. 8.42 average when losing by more then two possessions

Anybody want to show me where the numbers don't back up my original assertion?

 

[Future]

Of course he leads in this stat. He seeks out defenders while others avoid them.

Thats basically what I was trying to say, but you said it 5 times better lol

 

[dstovall5]

wow you are dense.

Morris has 225 yards on the season. Add up your non manipulated breakdown genius.

Wow, your either blind or your reading comprehension is horrible, I'll go with the second one. If you clicked that link, you would've seen they only have those 4 categories I listed, I haven't manipulated any stats. Heck I even posted the freaking reference link. Also, I really don't see why I would need to manipulate any stats, anyone with a decent football IQ can see right through your foolish assertions.

Easy to rack up a high average when the defense allows you to run out the clock

26 carries 107 yards. 4.11 average when the game is within two possessions of a tie.

14 carries 118 yards. 8.42 average when losing by more then two possessions

Anybody want to show me where the numbers don't back up my original assertion?

40 carries / 225 yards / 5.6 YPC / 2 TDS

You said this originally in response to the above stats -

his first half stats are well below that though. Easy to rack up a high average when the defense allows you to run out the clock

When actually his first half stats are higher, you where wrong just like you're wrong now, you really are grasping at straws, sad really.

It's not his fault he is an average NFL running back either.

You're just butt hurt you got proved wrong multiple times in this thread. Here's a hint, if you're going to make wild assertions, then at least make sure you know what the heck you're talking about. I'm done with this debate, not gonna go around and around in circles debating someone who's clueless, it's like debating a wall.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Wow, your either blind or your reading comprehension is horrible, I'll go with the second one.

You are out of your league here. You simply don’t have the integrity to admit a mistake.

You claimed this 6th round average runner was the best pure runner in the NFL.

After a good laugh, I mentioned his part per average is elevated because of how the games transpired.

The stats bear this out. As I pointed out, his ypc is more than double, and he has twice as many yards when the lead is greater than 16. I don’t care if you deliberately left out the damning parts of the stats. Maybe you were just too ignorant of the math to see you ignored the majority of his yards in your statistical breakdown, or maybe you are just dishonest. Don’t care. You still lose. Liar or ignorant makes no difference in the debate

You can cling to how he rushed for a ton of yards in the first half of the Green Bay game all you want, but you fail to realize those yards don’t contradict my overall point, his real productive work was when the defense was allowing a ground game. A 24 point lead changes how defensive players react to the snap of the ball. If you disagree, it’s because you have never actually played the game, which seems to be pretty clear at this point.

You're just butt hurt you got proved wrong multiple times in this thread. Here's a hint, if you're going to make wild assertions, then at least make sure you know what the heck you're talking about. I'm done with this debate, not gonna go around and around in circles debating someone who's clueless, it's like debating a wall.

4.11 ypc when the game is tight.

8.4 when the game is out of hand.

The stats say I’m right, and you are wrong.

But really, what kind of moron try’s to argue my original point anyway? Everyone knows a large lead makes it easier for the loser to run the ball.

 

[dstovall5]

You are out of your league here. You simply don’t have the integrity to admit a mistake.

You claimed this 6th round average runner was the best pure runner in the NFL.

After a good laugh, I mentioned his part per average is elevated because of how the games transpired

I stopped reading after you claimed I said Alfred Morris "was the best pure runner in the NFL." Like I said, your "reading comprehension is horrible", and now you're just trying to twist my words because you've been getting owned in this debate. Welcome to my ignore list, you're the first one I've ever had to put on it, congratulations!

This is what I actually said, I'll repeat it again because it's obvious you didn't catch it the first time.

Not sure if being sarcastic or not, but Alfred Morris really is one of the best pure runners today. People say RG3 was the reason for Alfred's success, but even with RG3 not able to run as well due the injury, Morris is still averaging 5.6 yards a carry this season. They just haven't given him the ball much because they're always behind. Also, it doesn't surprise that Morris isn't on this list, he doesn't make defenders miss; he runs them over, the dude is a bruiser.

Notice I said Alfred Morris is "one of the best pure runners", and not Alfred Morris is "the best pure runner in the NFL." It makes a huge difference, you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension skills, anyway, welcome to my ignore list bud.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I stopped reading after you claimed I said Alfred Morris "was the best pure runner in the NFL." Like I said, your "reading comprehension is horrible", and now you're just trying to twist my words because you've been getting owned in this debate. Welcome to my ignore list, you're the first one I've ever had to put on it, congratulations!

This is what I actually said, I'll repeat it again because it's obvious you didn't catch it the first time.

just admit your mistake and move on.

I did. I admitted I didn't see the Green Bay game, so I was ignorant that he racked up a ton of yards at the end of the first half, when the game was already a blown out.

your turn.. Admit his ypc is higher then it would of been if he didn't get most of his yards while his team was losing by more then 16 points.

prove you have the slightest bit of integrity and admit your mistake. Admit the statistical breakdown you posted completely ignored the yards that actually gained when the game was out of reach. You don't even have to admit you did it for dishonest reasons, just admit your stats were garbage in relation to this debate.

 

[Don Corleone]

Thats basically what I was trying to say, but you said it 5 times better lol

Yeah I find it funny that people think this is a positive stat. There are two factor at play:

1. A sufficient sample size, meaning that the backs get a good number of carries.

2. The would be tacklers must have a chance to ATTEMPT to tackle.

Point number 2 is my indictment of Murray. He gives plenty of opportunities for defenders to tackle him, where other backs would seek a clear path and not allow the tackle attempt.

 

[AbeBeta]

I have seen that also...but, hopefully he does that to save his next run. If you are getting 6-7 yards on first down, save those other 3 for 2nd down. I think he is playing smart football to make sure he can last the season.

That makes no sense. He could not have another opportunity to break through the entire game. Falling down once you hit the secondary ain't a good idea for an RB

 

[Eric_Boyer]

welcome to my ignore list bud.

first time I have been put on ignore for pointing out a persons stats were dishonest. what a baby.