Former Philadelphia Eagles Defensive Lineman Admits Nick Foles Is Better Than Carson Wentz

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I haven’t said the team doesn’t like Wentz. I said the team preferred Foles and played better under him when it counted.

And Scandrick’s quote isn’t important because it was his opinion. It was important because it revealed that—2 full seasons after the Superbowl MVP, there are *still* players in that locker room that prefer Foles. That locker room was divided on this issue, for sure. The fact that players are talking about it publicly years later ought to tell you everything you need to know about whether or not that’s true.

If you’d kept Foles and dealt Wentz and drafted well and used the cap you’d have saved wisely, you’d have a better team right now.

Considering how many players on that team back Wentz I doubt it. Nobody can honestly say Foles is a better QB than Wentz. Had 2 great games per year those two years if we’re really looking at it. Players hear about our locker room culture and are excited to join the team when they join. I remember Golden Tate saying that.

And to add to it, 2 players =/= the team.
 

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Considering how many players on that team back Wentz I doubt it. Nobody can honestly say Foles is a better QB than Wentz. Had 2 great games per year those two years if we’re really looking at it. Players hear about our locker room culture and are excited to join the team when they join. I remember Golden Tate saying that.

And to add to it, 2 players =/= the team.

That team played better for Foles in the playoffs than they did for Wentz, period. There’s no arguing it. I realize 2017 was the year you guys want to pretend Wentz won the MVP, but he wasn’t available when it counted again. Even that next season when Foles stepped in at crunch time again and you snuck past the Bears in a playoff game you had no business winning...you’re dreaming of you think Wentz pulls that off.

Of course the players generally are going to back the guy with the long term deal. It’s the fact you’re seeing anybody in that locker room come out and say the opposite that tells you how much debate there really is. Throw in the comp, the picks you spent to get him, the pucks you’re missing out on by not trading him, and the fact that you can hardly expect him to stay healthy when the games count most and I’m not sure it’s really even a very close call. Even if most of the players won’t admit it publicly yet.
 

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Foles is different when he's wearing that Eagle's uniform. It brings out the better QB in him, but only in spurts.
 

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Michael Bennett spent just one season in Philadelphia, but he saw enough to know that Nick Foles is a better quarterback than Carson Wentz.

The veteran NFL defensive lineman gave an honest comment on the Foles vs. Wentz debate during a podcast appearance with Chris Long.

“Nick Foles is better,” said Bennett, who played for the Eagles in 2018.

Foles, of course, stepped in fro an injured Wentz to lead the Eagles to their first-ever Super Bowl. Philly stuck with Wentz and Foles left in free agency for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He’s since been traded to Chicago.

Long: I look at the Carson Wentz situation, someone I always knew had it in him. If you play with Carson, he is a good guy, but you don’t know if he has that intestinal fortitude to be that first one to step over the line–

Bennett: Nick Foles is better.
Where are all of the Dak-hating Wince lovers? For the past 4 years, they have spewed their poison. Michael Bennett is one of several Eagles players who have said as much: Foles is a better QB than Wince is.
 

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Still boggles my mind that Foles didn't get the starting job after winning the Super Bowl. I mean, that's the absolute best audition a guy could put forth to get the job. If leading a never-won-Super Bowl franchise to its first-ever Lombardi isn't good enough to prove that you deserve the starting job, what is?
 

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NOT SURE WHY THIS IS EVEN A QUESTION. Of course Foles is better than Wentz. Even the iggles fans know it. Wentz is shakey at best, up and down. Foles was the 1 steady on the team. The front office allowed draft status to dictate whether or not they kept a guy or not. BAD DECISION. It cost them.
 

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Still boggles my mind that Foles didn't get the starting job after winning the Super Bowl. I mean, that's the absolute best audition a guy could put forth to get the job. If leading a never-won-Super Bowl franchise to its first-ever Lombardi isn't good enough to prove that you deserve the starting job, what is?
Two great games vs 11 or however many Wentz had. Really no question who is the better QB.
 

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NOT SURE WHY THIS IS EVEN A QUESTION. Of course Foles is better than Wentz. Even the iggles fans know it. Wentz is shakey at best, up and down. Foles was the 1 steady on the team. The front office allowed draft status to dictate whether or not they kept a guy or not. BAD DECISION. It cost them.
Lol I guess you weren’t watching when the offense struggled with Foles. Nice.
 

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Lol I guess you weren’t watching when the offense struggled with Foles. Nice.
no but I did watch him do what Wentz has yet to do, LEAD THE TEAM TO A SB WIN. Isnt that the goal?
 

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Two great games vs 11 or however many Wentz had. Really no question who is the better QB.
WENTZ has all the physical traits you want, no doubt. But if you want a guy to lead, go with FOLES. Its whats between the ears that matters.
 

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Still boggles my mind that Foles didn't get the starting job after winning the Super Bowl. I mean, that's the absolute best audition a guy could put forth to get the job. If leading a never-won-Super Bowl franchise to its first-ever Lombardi isn't good enough to prove that you deserve the starting job, what is?
Wentz is good..but Foles is simply a better fit for that particular team for whatever the reason. The fact is, Wentz cant seem to play to the level Foles did. The team seemed to rally behind Nick.
 

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no but I did watch him do what Wentz has yet to do, LEAD THE TEAM TO A SB WIN. Isnt that the goal?
Yes of course. But the guy is mad streaky. He has the Ryan Fitzpatrick trait of looking sharp a couple games and then coming back down to earth 75% of the time. That isn’t a franchise QB imo.
 

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Yes of course. But the guy is mad streaky. He has the Ryan Fitzpatrick trait of looking sharp a couple games and then coming back down to earth 75% of the time. That isn’t a franchise QB imo.
but he did it. Doesnt matter..HE DID HIS JOB. He just seemed to be the better fit, not the most talented by any means. BUT SOMETIMES its the guy that has that something you cannot measure that makes all the difference in the world. To me, Foles is just a winner..a nice fit for what The Iggles staff want him to do. Wentz seems to be inconsistent. Hes pretty streaky himself btw. Wish we had Foles in Dallas actually backing up Dak. I like him much better than Dalton. Whatever it is, his team mates wanna follow him.
 

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but he did it. Doesnt matter..HE DID HIS JOB. He just seemed to be the better fit, not the most talented by any means. BUT SOMETIMES its the guy that has that something you cannot measure that makes all the difference in the world. To me, Foles is just a winner..a nice fit for what The Iggles staff want him to do. Wentz seems to be inconsistent. Hes pretty streaky himself btw. Wish we had Foles in Dallas actually backing up Dak. I like him much better than Dalton. Whatever it is, his team mates wanna follow him.
Wentz is definitely more consistent. Plus we had to change our playbook for him. More credit goes to the coaching staff than Foles imo. They adapted the playbook for each QB when they were in the game.
 

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I think Wentz is more talented but Foles was a better leader and the team responded to him better.
Foles continues to be a journeyman...Wentz will be a starter for a long time.
 

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Guys I live on the East Coast. The DMV is a confluence of every NFC East team. My interactions with Eagles Fans is they wish the could surgically implant Nick Foles personality and leadership in Wentz's body.

Please read this entire article. I believe Wentz is doomed in Philly and the contract was just a mea cul pa...Jalen Hurts will never relinquish splitting snaps with Wentz once Carson goes down again. The playoff picture of Wentz on Bench this past season was the nail in coffin. Pederson can win with Jalen. Wentz misses the the 2 Offensive coaches whom left after Superbowl

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-...agles-quarterback-as-selfish-not-team-player/

Sources inside Eagles paint Carson Wentz as 'selfish,' 'uncompromising' and 'playing favorites'

The franchise quarterback ‘complicated’ the offense, sources said, adding he didn’t want to run ‘Foles stuff’
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The 2018 Philadelphia Eagles season was an odd one. As defending Super Bowl champs, the Eagles dealt with, among other things, a potential Super Bowl hangover, roster turnover and a bevy of serious injuries. But the most unavoidable storyline of the year involved Carson Wentz, who came off a near MVP season and later ACL tear to return, go 5-6 as a starter and then be sidelined due to a back injury.

Further complicating matters was not only the return of last season's Super Bowl MVP, Nick Foles, who seemed to almost immediately get the offense back on track, but also that Wentz will be up for a new, likely monstrous contract at the end of next season.

So what happened? Why did the team play better behind Foles? Was it simply that Wentz was playing injured? Was it something else?

The circumstances surrounding Wentz and the Eagles’ offense were peculiar and we started asking questions.

Over the past two months, PhillyVoice spoke with more than a half dozen players, plus other sources close to the team, who all requested to remain anonymous — fearing repercussions given Wentz' power within the organization. And what they told us paints a somewhat different picture of the Eagles' locker room – and their franchise quarterback – than one might expect.

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Whereas some circles blamed the Eagles’ offensive failures on new offensive coordinator Mike Groh, numerous sources in and around the NFL and Eagles said they thought Wentz may have been the root of the Eagles’ offensive problems. Groh is a “good coach,” who was “bullied” by Wentz, according to sources. The problem with the offense this past season shouldn’t lie with Groh, it should “lie with Wentz,” they said.

Last Tuesday, Eagles coach Doug Pederson declared Wentz the starting quarterback moving forward.

One thing is certain: Every one of our sources said the same things almost verbatim about the relationship between Wentz and Nick Foles: “They love each other, they respect each other and they support each other.”

But while the sentiment in the Eagles’ locker room is that Foles is “universally loved,” Wentz isn’t.

His aw-shucks, overgrown-Opie-from-Mayberry routine plays well with the local and national media. Indeed, sources describe Wentz as “incredibly hard working,” “determined,” and “highly intelligent.” But the true Wentz is more nuanced and complicated, with sources describing him as “selfish,” “uncompromising,” “egotistical,” one who plays “favorites” and doesn’t like to be “questioned,” one who needs to “practice what he preaches" and fails “to take accountability.”

Numerous sources confirmed Wentz was once verbally attacked by a highly respected teammate for not being “a team guy.”

“Carson Wentz’s biggest enemy is Carson Wentz,” one source said. “He’s had his *** kissed his whole life, and sometimes acts like he’s won 10 Super Bowls, when he hasn’t played in, let alone won, a playoff game yet. Everyone around him wants good things for him. He did more thinking on the field than he did playing (in 2018). You don’t have to be a brain surgeon or a football expert to see how differently this team plays and reacts with one guy as opposed to the other."

According to multiple sources, Wentz tended to “complicate” the offense. He didn’t let it come organically, as Foles did. According to one source, Wentz could “complicate 2+2.”
Wentz, according to sources, created friction within the offense.

This was different in 2016 and '17 under former Eagles coaches Frank Reich, now the Indianapolis Colts’ head coach, and John DeFilippo, the new Jacksonville Jaguars offensive coordinator, because they would rein Wentz in and stop him from going off-point, sources said. Reich and DeFilippo are two respected, entrenched NFL coaches who have experienced success. They forced Wentz to run the Eagles’ offense, a Super Bowl-winning offense that scored 41 points in the biggest game in franchise history and outdueled all-time great Tom Brady.

Ask yourself who had the better season: Wentz (279-for-401, 3,074 yards, 21 TDs, 7 INTs, sacked 31 times) or Andrew Luck (430-for-639, 4,593 yards, 39 TDs, 15 INTs, sacked 18 times)?

The Colts' offense nearly mirrored the one run last year by the Eagles.

According to multiple sources, Wentz tended to “complicate” the offense. He didn’t let it come organically, as Foles did. According to one source, Wentz could “complicate 2+2.”

Reich and DeFilippo stressed to Wentz the importance of sticking with the play that was called — a completed pass was there waiting. When Wentz deviated from that, it was sometimes met with bad consequences, like an interception or a sack. When Wentz trusted what Reich and DeFilippo called, it led to an MVP-like season that produced an Eagles’ single-season franchise record 33 touchdown passes and an 11-2 record in 13 games.

Pederson, Reich and DeFilippo were the perfect storm of coaches. Each had their strengths, and each complemented one another.

With Reich taking the top job with the Colts and DeFilippo joining the Vikings this season, the Eagles’ offense was going to be pretty much the same, or so the players thought. There was one major exception: Wentz didn’t want to run many of the concepts, because he felt that was “Foles’ stuff,” sources said. But as anyone who watched the Eagles could see, Foles and the Eagles’ offense was successful running their “normal stuff.”

Aggravation came in knowing that if Wentz was the more dominant player — and he is — why wouldn’t the offense be even more prolific with him running it than Foles?

MORE: Eagles teammates defend Carson Wentz on Twitter following PhillyVoice report
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The glaring difference is that Foles, every source stated, would go through progressions within the offense — exactly how it was designed to run — and hit the open receiver, regardless of who it was or where they were on the field. Wentz only saw, it seemed, one receiver the majority of the season: Zach Ertz. This understandably frustrated the rest of the offense, considering other receivers were open downfield. To stop the Eagles in 2018 under Wentz was rather easy: Stop No. 86.

Wentz’s proclivity for playing “favorites” manifested itself in targeting Ertz, who went on to catch a single-season NFL-record 116 passes for a tight end. Over the 11 games Wentz played, he went to Ertz 106 times (an average of 9.6 targets per game), while Alshon Jeffery was targeted 74 times (7.4 targets per game) and Nelson Agholor 60 times (5.4 targets per game). Sources added, without any great revelation, that Jordan Matthews is an Eagle because “of his buddy Wentz.”

This even came out during the year before Wentz got hurt, but the Eagles' veteran leadership and locker room conducted themselves in a way that avoided it becoming a big story.

An unnamed source in a story by ESPN's Josina Anderson said of the Eagles' struggles after the Saints loss, "I really felt like when we came out of camp, we didn’t have that same identity, that same rhythm, that camaraderie that you build on and off the field."

The same source also mentioned that the team was "over-targeting Zach Ertz."

The offensive players primarily felt more comfortable and confident with Foles – again, not a great revelation – because they knew he would get everyone involved in the offense. Foles would check down, if he had to, but he wasn’t going to audible out of running plays, as Wentz had a tendency to do this past season.

Wentz also had a propensity to pull the ball when he was about to hand off to the running backs, and check down to Ertz, despite having one of the NFL’s better offensive lines to run behind. It would frustrate the offensive line, the running backs and the wide receivers — basically everyone on the field at the time, with the exception of Wentz and Ertz. This too came out during the season, as Anderson mentioned it from her source.



In 2017, the Eagles won by gassing teams. In 2018, Wentz’s penchant to show so little confidence in other aspects of the Eagles’ offense not only limited its performance — in turn, it limited Wentz. He took more abuse this season (31 sacks in 11 games in 2018, as opposed to 28 sacks in 13 games in 2017) than he did his first two years in the NFL. That came partly because Carson Wentz couldn’t be “Carson Wentz,” the Teflon ginger that mesmerized the NFL in 2017 with his Harry Houdini escapes, since he was nowhere close to being 100-percent healthy, despite what Wentz has said publicly.

Losing Torrey Smith, Trey Burton, Brent Celek and LeGarrette Blount is important to note. Smith, who was not a great player, knew where to find openings on the field and made tough catches. Burton was under-appreciated here and created matchup problems. Celek played an integral role in the offense, and was reliable. Blount was a pounding runner who took stress off Wentz in the red zone.

Our sources expressed the same narrative: Wentz was so hell-bent on getting back after Foles led the Eagles to the Super Bowl that he risked his own health, the health of the offense and the health of the Eagles in doing so. That translated into a 6-7 season, up until Pederson announced that Wentz had a stress fracture in his back and would be doubtful the final three regular-season games, spurring further questions about Wentz’s long-term health.

Psychologically, Wentz might not have fully trusted the surgically-repaired left knee he injured on Dec. 10, 2017, when he tore his ACL and LCL against the Los Angeles Rams.

Wentz wasn't 100 percent the whole season, sources agreed. Though, actually, that didn’t have to come from people inside the NovaCare Complex, or from those very familiar with Wentz’s game. Everyone could see it. Wentz couldn’t escape the pocket as freely as he did in 2017, getting caught by linebackers from behind. Sources estimated that Wentz was probably at about 80 percent of what makes Carson Wentz the special player he has been and should be.

Most of Wentz’s incomplete passes were low. He wasn’t throwing under a strong base, pushing his passes more from his arm and shoulder than from his strength, his legs.

Wentz also struggled reading defenses this season, according to sources. His eyes were all over the place. Consequently, his scope of the field was far narrower. He pressed. Going into games, the running backs and wide receivers would openly question how many touches they would get, because they felt Wentz wouldn’t look their way. The offensive linemen grew angry because Wentz’s indecision would cause him to hold the ball longer than necessary — resulting in sacks and hits.

"We know what type of player he can be, and who he normally is," one source said. "He needs to realize it’s the Philadelphia Eagles not the Philadelphia Carsons."
After practices, Pederson will single out a player and ask what accountability means to him. After a particularly biting loss in November, there was an awkward moment. Pederson asked one of the more prominent offensive players to define what accountability means. So fed up with his limited role under Wentz, the player said nothing. He checked out.

By early December, after the overtime loss in Dallas, the team’s whole synergy changed when Foles took over. The last three games, the Eagles were running “training camp” plays — and winning, sources said.

Why?

Because the Eagles’ offense — the Super Bowl-winning offense — was being run the way it was meant to be run.

Doug Pederson deserved Coach of the Year honors and a Nobel Prize for the balancing act he performed this past season. One can easily make the case that he did a far better job coaching this season just to get the Eagles into the playoffs than he did last year in winning the Super Bowl. And Pederson wasn’t — nor isn’t — about to throw his franchise quarterback under a bus about anything. But he does listen to his players, and very much cares about their input.

To a person, the sources who spoke for this story stressed that they want Carson Wentz to succeed. He’s 26 years old and has played just one full NFL season, and no playoff games. Many would agree the QB wants to be a superstar, and sometimes acts like he is one already, and that’s certainly understandable.

One can only imagine what Wentz went through, ending his likely 2017 MVP season in a gutsy touchdown pass on a torn ACL. The player whom Philadelphia traded up twice to get at No. 2 overall in the NFL draft had seen his squad reach the postseason, and watched them win a Super Bowl from the sidelines.

The subjects interviewed for this story gave the impression that Wentz changed after his injury. With Foles more than likely gone next season and nothing but open space ahead to rehab and spend a full training camp as QB1, there seems to be a good chance he'll be his dynamic self again — both on the gridiron and with his teammates.

“He has to return to who ‘Carson Wentz’ is," a source told PhillyVoice. "That comes with relaxing and not forcing things. It also comes with being able to take constructive criticism. He has to learn that it’s not always about him and that’s partly what hurt this team this year. We know what type of player he can be, and who he normally is. He needs to realize it’s the Philadelphia Eagles not the Philadelphia Carsons.

“A little humility goes a long way.”

The Philadelphia Eagles did not immediately return a call seeking comment on this story.

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I haven’t said the team doesn’t like Wentz. I said the team preferred Foles and played better under him when it counted.

And Scandrick’s quote isn’t important because it was his opinion. It was important because it revealed that—2 full seasons after the Superbowl MVP, there are *still* players in that locker room that prefer Foles. That locker room was divided on this issue, for sure. The fact that players are talking about it publicly years later ought to tell you everything you need to know about whether or not that’s true.

If you’d kept Foles and dealt Wentz and drafted well and used the cap you’d have saved wisely, you’d have a better team right now.
The bottom line is * they won all playoff games and the SB against Brady and BB* so foles was a "proven SB winner"
At that point wentz had not even won a playoff game.
So logically they should have kept the guy who clearly could win a SB lol, and then either keep wentz as bkup for 1 season,
and then trade him, or just trade him then. They hadnt extended wentz yet, and could have got a #1 pick for him.

Also foles would have been cheaper than wentz.

But eagles used typical football mentality when making the decision, and chose wentz.
 

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Bennett's kind of like the Bat-%^$# crazy uncle. Not sure his thoughts get much traction.
 
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