Fox Sports poll: Who is the MVP frontrunner? (No Prescott)

MountaineerCowboy said:
Justin Fields and benched Russel Wilson is better than what Allen has gone against?

You stay looking foolish.
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Allen's schedule is softer this year yeah..... thanks for proving my point lol

Allen schedule in the postseason so far his 13 games (compared to Dak's 5) is DEFINITELY softer.
 
Yobwocs said:
Allen's schedule is softer this year yeah..... thanks for proving my point lol

Allen schedule in the postseason so far his 13 games (compared to Dak's 5) is DEFINITELY softer.
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You're the most delusional Dak fan here.

Allen goes against the Super Bowl champs in the playoffs while Dak goes against the teams that get beat right after they dog walk him.

You are literally wrong eveytime you post.
 
Yobwocs said:
He can't win the big game just like Dak. Same goes. Sure his record is better, but same thing applies.

Not saying Dak > Allen. sure Allen has a better reputation..... and it's probably well earned, but this should tell you how hard it is to beat really good teams in January. Allen can't do it and he's had more chances.

Imagine if all Dak's wins were against Bo Nix, Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph, and Mac Jones. We won't hear the end of it from Dak's haters.
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Pretty sure we can all agree in those playoff losses Allen has looked legit, unfortunately he s run into Kansas City which went on to be super bowl champs three of those years. He's been in how many NFC championships and Dak hasn’t made one. The bigger picture is how they've played in playoffs and how each had played. Allen has outplayed Dak on tougher opponents and that just undeniable. Allen holds 7-5 record, 25TD to 4 int, and 101 rating in his playoff performances. Dak is 2-5, 14 TDs vs 7 int with a 91 rating(drops to 84 if the out the TB wild card win against a team with losing record). Dak unfortunately is a turnover machine in the playoffs and none of his stats translate to playoffs.
 
Wangchung83 said:
Pretty sure we can all agree in those playoff losses Allen has looked legit, unfortunately he s run into Kansas City which went on to be super bowl champs three of those years. He's been in how many NFC championships and Dak hasn’t made one. The bigger picture is how they've played in playoffs and how each had played. Allen has outplayed Dak on tougher opponents and that just undeniable. Allen holds 7-5 record, 25TD to 4 int, and 101 rating in his playoff performances. Dak is 2-5, 14 TDs vs 7 int with a 91 rating(drops to 84 if the out the TB wild card win against a team with losing record). Dak unfortunately is a turnover machine in the playoffs and none of his stats translate to playoffs.
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Ok yeah agreed Dak is a turnover machine in the playoffs. Where you might think that that's never gonna change. I disagree. I think it's quite possible Dak goes on a playoff streak where he stops turning the ball over at his usual rate.

As for who plays tougher opponents.... all I meant is that Allen gets a layup in the first round (which is mostly why he has 7 playoffs wins). Dak doesn't even get that layup. He gets Aaron Rodgers when he was the best QB in the league. McVay and the Rams during the 2018-2021 period where they were dominant. And he ran into the 49ers a couple of times too during that 2019-2023 period where they were also pretty dominant.

Yes I know Allen in the 2nd round is getting Mahomes.... but in the first round...... if Dak got Allen's schedule I think he can easily beat Miami, Pittsburgh, Indy, or New England.
 
Yobwocs said:
Ok yeah agreed Dak is a turnover machine in the playoffs. Where you might think that that's never gonna change. I disagree. I think it's quite possible Dak goes on a playoff streak where he stops turning the ball over at his usual rate.

As for who plays tougher opponents.... all I meant is that Allen gets a layup in the first round (which is mostly why he has 7 playoffs wins). Dak doesn't even get that layup. He gets Aaron Rodgers when he was the best QB in the league. McVay and the Rams during the 2018-2021 period where they were dominant. And he ran into the 49ers a couple of times too during that 2019-2023 period where they were also pretty dominant.

Yes I know Allen in the 2nd round is getting Mahomes.... but in the first round...... if Dak got Allen's schedule I think he can easily beat Miami, Pittsburgh, Indy, or New England.
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Don't you just love that word "if"?
 
Yobwocs said:
Ok yeah agreed Dak is a turnover machine in the playoffs. Where you might think that that's never gonna change. I disagree. I think it's quite possible Dak goes on a playoff streak where he stops turning the ball over at his usual rate.

As for who plays tougher opponents.... all I meant is that Allen gets a layup in the first round (which is mostly why he has 7 playoffs wins). Dak doesn't even get that layup. He gets Aaron Rodgers when he was the best QB in the league. McVay and the Rams during the 2018-2021 period where they were dominant. And he ran into the 49ers a couple of times too during that 2019-2023 period where they were also pretty dominant.

Yes I know Allen in the 2nd round is getting Mahomes.... but in the first round...... if Dak got Allen's schedule I think he can easily beat Miami, Pittsburgh, Indy, or New England.
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I agree, Allen’s first-round opponents haven't been great teams, but that’s why they are playoff teams. When Dak has played well, it was against much weaker teams than Allen has ever faced. All of Allen’s playoff wins were against teams with winning records. For example, the 11-5 Colts with Rivers as QB beat Aaron Rodgers’ GB team that year. The Patriots team in 2021, which Dak lost to earlier that same year, and the Steelers beat the Packers the same team Dak threw two interceptions in 2023, contributing to that loss. That’s three out of five games where the evidence doesn’t support Dak could have beaten those teams. Regardless, I hope he continues working toward playing complete games and carrying his stats into the playoffs, where we can all agree his drop-off is much larger than other QBs when comparing regular season stats. So, I don't have to argue with anyone later about moving the goalposts, the drop-off I'm referring to is his inability to produce significant first-half stats, since he often relies on empty stats after opposing defense has changed its approach. No, I don't want him to quit; I want him to play a complete, complementary game without tiring out a defense.
 
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MountaineerCowboy said:
Stafford threw for 200 yards and 2 TDs on em.
Mahomes threw for 190 and a TD on em.
Baker threw for 300 and 2 TDs on em.
Bo Nix threw for 240 and a TD on em.

Dak is the only loser to not have a single TD against them

Stay wrong, kid. Conversation over.
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lol so the only QB who had stats like Dak won... again you said better QB play wouldve won and clearly Bo had the same stats and won the rest has "better" and lost...Dart blew them all away and won there is your answer Dart has been the most dnagerous offense to face the Eagles so far... i cant wait for the next "Stats dont matter" from you after this response..lol
 
Yobwocs said:
Someone picking Allen or Dak is a matter of opinion. They're not wrong if they choose Allen. Only you and your buddies here think that picking Dak is wrong, or something. You're a weird group.

I'd like to find guys like you and your friends in real life. Can't find them.
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LOL at the bold. A sizeable portion of this fanbase wants to move on from Dak--yet you are unable to actually find a single "real life" person who doesn't love everything about him.

There are plenty of us out there...

you just have to be willing to take a step outside the echo chamber. I know it's scary.....
 
Giants beat Eagles
We beat Giants
Eagles beat us

See how things work?

This is why we should all put mountain cowboy on ignore. His logic doesn't make sense
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Allen goes against the Super Bowl champs in the playoffs while Dak goes against the teams that get beat right after they dog walk him.
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Buffalo loses legendary, down to the last second battles against KC.
Our franchise QB gives us 80 yards and 2 INT in the 1st half against the last team in, GB.

sure thing @Yobwocs Playoff Josh Allen is like a mirror image of Dak.... :muttley:
 
CowboyFrog said:
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lol so the only QB who had stats like Dak won... again you said better QB play wouldve won and clearly Bo had the same stats and won the rest has "better" and lost...Dart blew them all away and won there is your answer Dart has been the most dnagerous offense to face the Eagles so far... i cant wait for the next "Stats dont matter" from you after this response..lol
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Add Dart to the list after last night.

Dak remains the only QB this season to not have a TD against the Eagles.

And Bo didn't have the same stats as Dak. He had that elusive TD that Dak couldn't find.

You need to stop. You're looking really foolish and you're kinda making it seem like you can't read with the Bo and Dak had the same stats thing.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Logic wins out.
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I mean I'm a Cowboys fan tried and true, but I'd be a little embarrassed to see a 2 win QB on the MVP list. If we finish 12-4-1, you can go ahead an put him on the top 5 list. But... then again, you need a brand new list come playoffs. And we've yet to see the 60 million dollar man play his best ball in the post season.
 
StarW said:
I mean I'm a Cowboys fan tried and true, but I'd be a little embarrassed to see a 2 win QB on the MVP list. If we finish 12-4-1, you can go ahead an put him on the top 5 list. But... then again, you need a brand new list come playoffs. And we've yet to see the 60 million dollar man play his best ball in the post season.
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It's good to see a Cowboys fan that still has a little pride left in em.

Kudos to you.
 
StarW said:
I mean I'm a Cowboys fan tried and true, but I'd be a little embarrassed to see a 2 win QB on the MVP list. If we finish 12-4-1, you can go ahead an put him on the top 5 list. But... then again, you need a brand new list come playoffs. And we've yet to see the 60 million dollar man play his best ball in the post season.
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The rest of the team has been awful except for one game against the Jets. None of the losses have been on him. Even the Green Bay playoff loss it was the defense giving up 6 straight TD drives to Jordan Love.

His critics who bashed him after losing to Green Bay are starting to see that that Green Bay defense is basically the earliest version of this current defense. It came from a continuation of that same defense McCarthy put on the field that day. They're starting to see how for his career Dak has had the worst defense among all major QBs. The ones who have had 10 wins per year their whole life.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Add Dart to the list after last night.

Dak remains the only QB this season to not have a TD against the Eagles.

And Bo didn't have the same stats as Dak. He had that elusive TD that Dak couldn't find.

You need to stop. You're looking really foolish and you're kinda making it seem like you can't read with the Bo and Dak had the same stats thing.
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right your motto is "wins and loses" not stats right so i asked what "better QB play" won until Dart none had, clearly Dart did win and had great QB play ...but the rest you listed had stats and lost...foolish is trying to say Dak has not played really good this year, thats foolish...does it mean he is great, super or whatever..no but he has played really good this year, you are so far dug into your schtick you cant even admit the truth.
 
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