FoxSports Czar: Sunday Observations...Austin and Ogletree blurbs

[WoodysGirl]

by John Czarnecki
Updated: November 9, 2009, 3:53 PM EST

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Is this Miles Austin kid for real?
The undrafted Austin has been Mr. Turnaround for Dallas and made Tony Romo look like Joe Namath during this four-game Dallas winning streak. His only catch Sunday, a 49-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter, finished off the Eagles in Philly. While putting the Cowboys in first place, Austin has 22 catches for 531 yards, six touchdowns in his four-game run from being a benchwarmer. Projected stats over a full season: 88 catches, 2,122 receiving yards, 24 TD catches. Translation: He's been pretty darn good the past four weeks.


Forget the playoffs, will the Commanders win another game this season?
You have to wonder how the Washington Commanders go to work every day. There is so much negativity on the airwaves in Virginia and D.C. about the owner, the coach, the new play-caller, the owner's sidekick, the inconsistent quarterback and Riggo, while every former player and coach imaginable offers their critique of how this season went down the drain. The Commanders have eight games left and their only chance at a win, maybe, is at Oakland on Dec. 13. Ouch! 3-13 is an awful Christmas present.


Can the Giants figure out what's wrong in time?

Yes, Jimmy Johnson was right when he said that Drew Brees exposed the Giants' utter lack of quality safeties without injured starter Kenny Phillips. Since that Oct. 18 game between then unbeaten teams, the Giants have continued to get torched by Warner, Donovan McNabb and Philip Rivers. Those four quarterbacks combined have averaged 263 passing yards against the G-men.

"All we can do is go back to the drawing board and keep working hard," said cornerback Corey Webster, who had no help on the winning touchdown because safety Michael Johnson was too late to break on the pass to Vincent Jackson. Yes, there is a lot of football to play, and fortunately, the Giants have a bye coming up.

Sunday Observations

• Eagles coach Andy Reid, and for that matter no NFL coach, should ever again challenge the marking of the ball against ref Walt Coleman's crew.
• Did you notice that Cowboys undrafted rookie Kevin Ogletree &#8212; the next Miles Austin &#8212; had two catches for 38 yards, both on wide receiver screens? Owner Jerry Jones just loves this kid and was more than happy to see him replace $45 million receiver Roy Williams on both plays.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10344024/The-Day-After:-Biggest-questions-at-midseason

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Eagles coach Andy Reid, and for that matter no NFL coach, should ever again challenge the marking of the ball against ref Walt Coleman's crew.

Two things...

On the first challenge, Reid actually benefited in that the crew didn't move the ball back as they probably should have based on the receivers momentum taking him back further than the ball was spotted, before being touched by a defender. Collinsworth and Michaels both were suprised the ball didn't go back a few more inches.

On the second challenge, CC and AM pointed to the spot of the beak where McNabb rested where the ball was, and how that was an indication of where the ball should be. But if you go back and look at the measurement on 3rd down, you'll notice that the first down marker actually extends a good few inches BEYOND the beak, so even if the ball was spotted there, it wouldn't have resulted in a first down.

In other words, Walt Colemans crew was correct on both challenges.

 

[TwentyOne]

http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/John-Czarnecki-FOXSports.com-Senior-NFL-Writer?authorId=211Ouch! 3-13 is an awful Christmas present.

Depends for whom it's supposed to be. I for myself could live with it.

:laugh2:

 

[jazzcat22]

Two things...

On the first challenge, Reid actually benefited in that the crew didn't move the ball back as they probably should have based on the receivers momentum taking him back further than the ball was spotted, before being touched by a defender. Collinsworth and Michaels both were suprised the ball didn't go back a few more inches.

On the second challenge, CC and AM pointed to the spot of the beak where McNabb rested where the ball was, and how that was an indication of where the ball should be. But if you go back and look at the measurement on 3rd down, you'll notice that the first down marker actually extends a good few inches BEYOND the beak, so even if the ball was spotted there, it wouldn't have resulted in a first down.

In other words, Walt Colemans crew was correct on both challenges.

I am glad someone else noticed this also.
The other thing I was thinking, is that they said he wasn't down, he was on top of players, and slid down to move the ball up further. Which he did, but that was shown in the replay in super slow motion.

Also, in that video, to mee, he had stopped, then moved foward. So can that be considered his progressed was stopped first. Deosn't matter if he is on top of a player. Same as a guy being stopped standing up, but never goes to the ground.

Also, doesn't this happen all the time on goal line plays. A player runs or dives on the linemean, but never really goes to the ground, but yet they blow the play dead, as soon as he stops the first time.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

"made Romo look like Joe Namath"
is that a compliment?

 

[theebs]

"made Romo look like Joe Namath"
is that a compliment?

no.

Romo is better than joe namath.

At least from what I have read, heard and seen of namath in his playing days.

its just another lazy attempt to belittle Romo's accomplishments.

 

[BIGDen]

Hey"Czar", Namath is the most overrated player in NFL history. I don't care if his team won a ring while he was QB or not, he couldn't carry Romo's jock.
These writers just suck.

 

[THUMPER]

no.

Romo is better than joe namath.

At least from what I have read, heard and seen of namath in his playing days.

its just another lazy attempt to belittle Romo's accomplishments.

I saw Namath play his whole career, he was nowhere near as good as Romo is. Great arm and a good leader but he was far more reckless than even Favre was and ended up with a lot more INTs than TDs. The Jets won because they had a very good defense and a solid running game but Namath got all the credit because he was the glamour-boy.

Back then people didn't go ballistic when the QB threw a pick or three.

 

[big dog cowboy]

• Did you notice that Cowboys undrafted rookie Kevin Ogletree — the next Miles Austin — had two catches for 38 yards, both on wide receiver screens? Owner Jerry Jones just loves this kid and was more than happy to see him replace $45 million receiver Roy Williams on both plays.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Is this Miles Austin kid for real?
The undrafted Austin has been Mr. Turnaround for Dallas and made Tony Romo look like Joe Namath during this four-game Dallas winning streak.

Romo looks like a dissipated old drunk who tries to plant sloppy kisses on female celebrities? Actually, I could totally see this for Tony in 30 years.

 

[RS12]

For about a 4 year period Namath missed as many games as he played. He is in the HOF because of his icon status. He has more career picks than TDs by a wide margin. Talk about being in the right place at the right time.

 

[Joe Realist]

Hey"Czar", Namath is the most overrated player in NFL history. I don't care if his team won a ring while he was QB or not, he couldn't carry Romo's jock.
These writers just suck.

Namath living off that SB. Look at his career stats, terrible.

 

[Hoofbite]

Two things...

On the first challenge, Reid actually benefited in that the crew didn't move the ball back as they probably should have based on the receivers momentum taking him back further than the ball was spotted, before being touched by a defender. Collinsworth and Michaels both were suprised the ball didn't go back a few more inches.

On the second challenge, CC and AM pointed to the spot of the beak where McNabb rested where the ball was, and how that was an indication of where the ball should be. But if you go back and look at the measurement on 3rd down, you'll notice that the first down marker actually extends a good few inches BEYOND the beak, so even if the ball was spotted there, it wouldn't have resulted in a first down.

In other words, Walt Colemans crew was correct on both challenges.

They didn't get both of those challenges right. They clearly shorted Philly on the 2nd challenge. It wouldn't have been a 1st down but it would have been really close.

 

[kmd24]

On the first challenge, Reid actually benefited in that the crew didn't move the ball back as they probably should have based on the receivers momentum taking him back further than the ball was spotted, before being touched by a defender. Collinsworth and Michaels both were suprised the ball didn't go back a few more inches.

That's because in situations where the challenge is whether the play should have resulted in a first down, the officials don't change the spot unless the call is reversed.

 

[Bill Wooten]

They didn't get both of those challenges right. They clearly shorted Philly on the 2nd challenge. It wouldn't have been a 1st down but it would have been really close.

I think Al Michaels was saying something about the challenges of a spot being changed this year. That it was no longer "challenging the spot", but it was "challenging that it was a first down due to the spot".

In effect, the spot may have not been 100% accurate, but they deemed the correct spot would not have resulted in a first down, so the spot was not changed and the challenge was a failure.

I like that approach better, personally. One could argue that there are very few 100% accurate spots. So if it is challenged and they move it an inch, you win the challenge even if it doesn't result in a first down.

If it was just challenging the spot of the ball, Reid would have probably won both challenges. He would have gotten the 3rd challenge and kept both timeouts. Neither would have resulted in a first down though.