Frank Coyle Top 50 overall 4/21/15....

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If we were to go off this list, looks like BPA will likely be a corner or LB

Specifically, based on our interest, K Johnson or b Jones or Kendricks or Thompson

I still don't understand why we are even interested in LB. It is our deepest position on the team.
 

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O Odiggy near the end of the season last year looked very strong, if those hips have healed I am sold on him in the first rd. If you like DeMarcus L as a move up pick, IMO O Odiggy might have more talent, he certainly has the bend, and use of hands. Lots to like in my opinion, only trump in my deck would be Gurley, and Malcom Brown at 27.


Talent I disagree with off the top of my head
WR Jalen Strong IMO a less reliable Marcus Colson Saints. no way top 50
Donovan Smith IMO way down the list closer to top 75 prospect
Grady Barrett missing at the DT position.
PJ Williams even with the DUI over his head should be top 50
 

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If the actual draft falls like these rankings, CB would be the likely pick.
 

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I think the team still views Hitchens as a role player, not a starter. Just my opinion

I know, not sure why. He is a starter in my opinion and not just an average one but a good one. It sucks because you finally hit on a 4th round pick and then you want to hold him back from being a starter.
 

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Highest rated guy who could be there at 27 is Peat.
 

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LOL!

Just posted about that.

I don't think his production matches his athletic skills.

"Mamula-like".
Id honestly rather Hunter if we are looking to add a "high upside DE" with limited pass rush production, although I dont hate Owa at all. Hunter gets the very rare " high floor, high ceiling" label in that once he steps foot in an NFL camp he is a game changing run defender who plays with an extremely high motor and lots of intesity. He is a guy you can pencil in for first and second down as soon as he is draft and has the work ethic and coachability to develope into a effective pass rusher
 

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I know, not sure why. He is a starter in my opinion and not just an average one but a good one. It sucks because you finally hit on a 4th round pick and then you want to hold him back from being a starter.

I dont they see him as a SAM. And they are right if they dont. He can play there in a pinch but he doesn't play with the physicality of that position.

I think a possible lineup this season could be Lee at Will, McClain at SAM and Hitchens at Mike
 

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I know, not sure why. He is a starter in my opinion and not just an average one but a good one. It sucks because you finally hit on a 4th round pick and then you want to hold him back from being a starter.

I'm not sure, either. Hitchens showed he can start and play well. I wonder if the team thinks he would be a liability in the long term
 

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Highest rated guy who could be there at 27 is Peat.

No one is saying it but if some of that Oline talent falls we need to clean it up if the guys we want are gone rather than trading back.
 

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I dont they see him as a SAM. And they are right if they dont. He can play there in a pinch but he doesn't play with the physicality of that position.

I think a possible lineup this season could be Lee at Will, McClain at SAM and Hitchens at Mike

I completely disagree. He is a very physical linebacker and he showed it. I remember when watching games last year one of the main things that stood out about his game was once he made contact the RB went either sideways or forward and never got anything extra. Also he looked and played pretty well in the middle. There is no way McClain gets moved from the middle. His size is perfect for the middle of the field and interrupts the passing lanes greatly on any down.
 

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I completely disagree. He is a very physical linebacker and he showed it. I remember when watching games last year one of the main things that stood out about his game was once he made contact the RB went either sideways or forward and never got anything extra. Also he looked and played pretty well in the middle. There is no way McClain gets moved from the middle. His size is perfect for the middle of the field and interrupts the passing lanes greatly on any down.

Hitchens is a sideline to sideline player who isnt nearly as effective when ask to play down hill which is why he wasnt nearly as effective as a SAM last year as he was at Will or Mike. He logged quality games at both Will and Mike, but was subpar when asked to play SAM
 

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McClain on the other hand has the ability to effect games both sideline to side line as well as down hill. He would be just as effective playing SAM as he would Mike
 

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I still don't understand why we are even interested in LB. It is our deepest position on the team.

Injury and reliability issues with Lee and to a lesser extent McClain are a concern. Plus McClain is on a one year deal.

And is our roster really that deep there? Wilber is in the last year of his rookie deal and probably will not be back. Brinkley and Gachkar are fairly average. The rest of the depth, save perhaps Hitchens, is fairly mediocre.

It is not always about the right now, it is about the next few years as well. I do not see it as a pressing need, but I understand if the value is there you can only get better.
 

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Injury and reliability issues with Lee and to a lesser extent McClain are a concern. Plus McClain is on a one year deal.

And is our roster really that deep there? Wilber is in the last year of his rookie deal and probably will not be back. Brinkley and Gachkar are fairly average. The rest of the depth, save perhaps Hitchens, is fairly mediocre.

It is not always about the right now, it is about the next few years as well. I do not see it as a pressing need, but I understand if the value is there you can only get better.

It's a sheer #'s thing tho. Lee, Ro, Hitchens, Brinkley, and Gachkar are guaranteed to make the roster. I'm not sure of Rivers exact contract but I'm pretty sure they didn't go out and get a vet like Rivers early in free agency just as a camp body. So that's 6 LB's already with Will Smith, Lawrence, Wilber and Watson currently on the roster. Worst case scenario is Lee and Ro get hurt at the same time and Hitchens, Brinkley and Rivers/Gachkar as our starters....that worst case scenario really doesn't scare me much honesty
 

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Injury and reliability issues with Lee and to a lesser extent McClain are a concern. Plus McClain is on a one year deal.

And is our roster really that deep there? Wilber is in the last year of his rookie deal and probably will not be back. Brinkley and Gachkar are fairly average. The rest of the depth, save perhaps Hitchens, is fairly mediocre.

It is not always about the right now, it is about the next few years as well. I do not see it as a pressing need, but I understand if the value is there you can only get better.

I would argue its very deep. Brinkley has been a starter for most of his career and Gachkar is obviously counted on being able to fill in if needed or they wouldn't have paid him $3+mill. Add in the addition of Rivers, and guys like Watson and Wilber and this position is deeper than any other on the team.
 

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I would argue its very deep. Brinkley has been a starter for most of his career and Gachkar is obviously counted on being able to fill in if needed or they wouldn't have paid him $3+mill. Add in the addition of Rivers, and guys like Watson and Wilber and this position is deeper than any other on the team.

If the cowboys felt that way, they have a funny way of showing it by bringing in almost 10 LBs for visits and three of them with 1-2 round grades.

Sometimes what WE as fans, in this case YOU as a fan, feels is not what the cowboys feel. That should be kept in mind if you want to have a realistic view of who the COWBOYS, not you, want to draft. :cool:
 
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