FWST Blog: Roy Williams (11) takes turn at ripping Garrett's offense

[khiladi]

Look at the game logs? I watch the games every single one and no Garrett is not constantly looking down field hell Barber had 52 catches on the season he was not running deep routs, Witten had 81 catches he was not running deep routs the majority of the time. Yes on many pass plays Romo looked deep and should be checking down based on coverage.

Is Barber a WR or the primary, secondary or even third target on those throws? You expect Barber to be downfield catching passes. While Garrett is dumb, I don't think he is a second grader coaching football. Barber had fifty-two catches, the majority of them being checkdowns. He wasn't the primary target, he was the target when Garrett's vertical routes failed.

Further, a lot of Witten's catches were vertical as well, down the seams. ANd Witten's production dropped off as the season progressed as well.

 

[khiladi]

Terrell Owens is a declining player. Except, he had one of his very best seasons in Jason Garrett's passing offense in 2007. That season, in Garrett's passing game, cuts Owens and his minions off at the knees. Owens and some of his fans blame Garrett but igore the 2007 season when Owens excelled in Jason Garrett's passing game. What? It's typical Owens. "I confess. He did it".

Nobody has ignored the 2007 season and your living in a dream-world if you assert such a thing. You know what the argument is? Teams figured Jason Garrett out. You know what TO said? Teams figured this offense out. Jason Garrett was figured out by the end of the year and he hasn't recuperated since.

The 4-6 defense was the best defense in the league one year and in a matter of a year, was pretty much rendered obsolete.

 

[khiladi]

When Owens' YPA against Joyner's "red" corners drops from 9.3 YPA to 2.0 YPA* (*for 8 games; half returns not in), you can't pin that enormous drop off in production all on Jason Garrett. You can't. Owens, with 8 games left to be counted, is behind Patrick Crayton's 2.8 YPA. That has to alarm the Cowboys. That is one big reason why Roy Williams was brought to Dallas. Crayton couldn't get away from some of the better corners. Now, Owens has demonstrated on the field that he couldn't get away from them, either. Owens was able to beat bracket coverage in 2007. He couldn't beat it in 2008, and one reason he couldn't was some of the better corners shut him down.

Who was the CB covering TO one-on-one against the 49ers? Yeah, that was a 'red corner'. Your whole argument is predicated upon the assumption that TO couldn't beat red corners, when TO was double-teamed by safeties and red-corners.

The fact is, part of a WRs production is contingent upon the coach calling the routes.

 

[khiladi]

The only people who are trashing Garrett - that I've heard - are 2 goofball WRs and a few people in the media.

Actually, Tono Romo called him out too, and some reports said the team wasn't complaining when it looked like he was going to get the Rans job... So you got the franchise QB, the HoF receiver and the WR that was in the pro-Bowl that Dallas invested in to become the number one receiver to play alongside TR down the road in the future...

 

[dbair1967]

Poor Baby... More and more, his boy Garrett is getting trashed by everybody... denial...

he's not my baby...he deserves criticism...

but it definitely wasnt all his fault...we had lazy players with poor practice habits...we had alot of injuries

still, the team scored at least 20+ pts in 10 of 13 games Romo started. If your OC is a loser, you dont do that.

for people to continue to blame him for everything is just stupid...especially when the yr before the offense was one of the dominant units in the league, and he called all the plays and designed all the passing game

 

[khiladi]

he's not my baby...he deserves criticism...

but it definitely wasnt all his fault...we had lazy players with poor practice habits...we had alot of injuries

still, the team scored at least 20+ pts in 10 of 13 games Romo started. If your OC is a loser, you dont do that.

for people to continue to blame him for everything is just stupid...especially when the yr before the offense was one of the dominant units in the league, and he called all the plays and designed all the passing game

Or it could just be that we had Romo and TO and Witten and this talent could overcome the stupidity of the OC... I just love how your complaining about poor practice habits and lazy players, when in the article that spoke about Jason Garrett treating players differently in practice, it was OK, because the greats like Jimmy Johnson did it... When you need to defend Garrett, he can treat player's differently... When you want to bash other players to defend Garrett, all of the sudden the team has bad practice habits and poor work ethic... Even then, Garrett controls the offense. It is his fault...

Like I said, take off your Garrett-homer glasses... He's a dud and he is no Norv Turner and never was. He isn't even close. He has more affinity to a guy like Martz in his style, than anywhere near Norv...

Like I've said a million times before, the 4-6 was a dominant defense in one point in time, and Buddy Ryan the best defensive mind in the league... It doesn't work as a base package anymore...

One more thing: It's funny how you say people blaming Garrett as the sole problem is stupid, yet your one of the most ardent proponents of getting rid of TO. Well guess what? More people on the team with relevance, liek the franchise QB, agree with TO. And now RWs the investment of the future at WR agrees with TO as well...

 

[dbair1967]

Or it could just be that we had Romo and TO and Witten and this talent could overcome the stupidity of the OC

sure it is

... I just love how your complaining about poor practice habits and lazy players, when in the article that spoke about Jason Garrett treating players differently in practice, it was OK, because the greats like Jimmy Johnson did it... When you need to defend Garrett, he can treat player's differently... When you want to bash other players to defend Garrett, all of the sudden the team has bad practice habits and poor work ethic... Even then, Garrett controls the offense. It is his fault...

I'd been saying it was painfully obvious the team had poor practice habits before the season ever ended or anyone even remotely mentioned it in the media...it was obvious by watching them on the field...it was never an "excuse"...it was a fact

Like I said, take off your Garrett-homer glasses... He's a dud and he is no Norv Turner and never was. He isn't even close. He has more affinity to a guy like Martz in his style, than anywhere near Norv...

I'm not a Garrett homer, nor have I ever claimed he was Norv Turner

Like I've said a million times before, the 4-6 was a dominant defense in one point in time, and Buddy Ryan the best defensive mind in the league...

I have no idea what you are rambling about

 

[khiladi]

sure it is

They did just fine with Sparano as OC, and Bledsoe played for a huge majority of the time that year.

I'd been saying it was painfully obvious the team had poor practice habits before the season ever ended or anyone even remotely mentioned it in the media...it was obvious by watching them on the field...it was never an "excuse"...it was a fact

But you defended Garrett when he was called out in an article for treating star players differently IN PRACTICE which contributed to poor practies, saying Jimmy Johnson did it. I guess you do it, only when you need to defend Garrett...

I'm not a Garrett homer, nor have I ever claimed he was Norv Turner

I guess we have different definitions of what it means to be a homer..

I have no idea what you are rambling about

The analogy isn't hard... Garrett had his moment in the spotlight. He got figured out, like the 4-6 got figured out. The 4-6 faded to oblivion. Just because Garrett had a little success doesn't mean he's great.

Even then, he had all the talent in the world, which co ntributed to his success. If Tony Romo didn't have an uncanny ability to avoid defenders in the pocket, Jason Garrett wouldn't have sniffed those numbers.

 

[dbair1967]

They did just fine with Sparano as OC, and Bledsoe played for a huge majority of the time that year.

huh? in 2007? Sparano wasnt the OC, and Bledsoe wasnt the QB.

But you defended Garrett when he was called out in an article for treating star players differently IN PRACTICE which contributed to poor practies, saying Jimmy Johnson did it. I guess you do it, only when you need to defend Garrett...

what does this have to do with the team having poor practice habits?

I guess we have different definitions of what it means to be a homer..

apparently so

The analogy isn't hard... Garrett had his moment in the spotlight. He got figured out, like the 4-6 got figured out. The 4-6 faded to oblivion. Just because Garrett had a little success doesn't mean he's great.

I guess we'll see

Even then, he had all the talent in the world, which co ntributed to his success. If Tony Romo didn't have an uncanny ability to avoid defenders in the pocket, Jason Garrett wouldn't have sniffed those numbers.

and if Romo didnt have an uncanny ability for stupid turnovers, wr's didnt have an uncanny ability for dropping passes or running wrong routes, 40 million RB didnt have an uncanny ability to fumble, and OL's had an uncanny ability to actually stand in front of the guys they were supposed to we wouldnt be having any of these discussions...

the talent is definitely there...the work ethic and heart are not

 

[khiladi]

huh? in 2007? Sparano wasnt the OC, and Bledsoe wasnt the QB.

This offense did just as good in 2006 as it did this year, and we had Drew Bledsoe as QB for like 6 games.

what does this have to do with the team having poor practice habits?

Sleeping in meetings and coddling star players who don't wan't to practice hard... I thought that is the reason we need to get rid of TO, because it is actions like these that lead to poor practices and bad work ethic...

and if Romo didnt have an uncanny ability for stupid turnovers, wr's didnt have an uncanny ability for dropping passes or running wrong routes, 40 million RB didnt have an uncanny ability to fumble, and OL's had an uncanny ability to actually stand in front of the guys they were supposed to we wouldnt be having any of these discussions...

the talent is definitely there...the work ethic and heart are not

Who refuses to establish a running game to reign in Romo? Yes, that's right. Jason Garrett..

Who wants to throw the ball downfield all the time and take big chunks down field all the time, ultimaetly creating a tendency in Romo to force things downfield? Yeah, that's right... Jason Garrett...

Who puts the team in 3rd in long situations with the vertical apssing game, ultimaetly causing Romo to buy time with his feet and try and make plays to get a first down, which again feeds the tendency to try and make things happen resulting in TOs? That's right, Jason Garrett...

WHo keeps running deep vertical routes not allowing the huge OL to move forward and impose their will on defensive lines, allowing quick defenders to simply blow right by these big men? Yeah, thats' right Jason Garrett...

Who refuses to run screens and short slants to counter act the pressure of the blitzes? Yeah, that's right, Jason Garrett......

Who refused constantly to shorten the passing game when the pressure was on Tony Romo, continually allowing him to get hit, even after having bruised ribs, over and over again? Yeah. that's right, Jason Garrett, whose stupidty almost cost this team the franchise QB...

How do HoF receivers and Pro Bowl WRs that played in the same system in Detroit not know how to run routes properly? That's right, they don't, otherwise they wouldn't be Hof WRs or in the pro-Bowl...

How does one become a HoF reciver, hwo does one be known for garbling up books on the history of football, and not work hard? That's right, they don't... I call BS... It's Garrett and his stupid routes that everybody knows is coming, which was stated by plenty of opposing defenses..

Your damn right, this offense turns the ball over... And blame Garrett, whose game-plan is so stupid, that this offense only runs well in hurry-up mode, which ultimately leads to a a wild tempo, which further magnifies the TO problem...

 

[dbair1967]

This offense did just as good in 2006 as it did this year, and we had Drew Bledsoe as QB for like 6 games.




Sleeping in meetings and coddling star players who don't wan't to practice hard... I thought that is the reason we need to get rid of TO, because it is actions like these that lead to poor practices and bad work ethic...




Who refuses to establish a running game to reign in Romo? Yes, that's right. Jason Garrett..

Who wants to throw the ball downfield all the time and take big chunks down field all the time, ultimaetly creating a tendency in Romo to force things downfield? Yeah, that's right... Jason Garrett...

WHo keeps running deep vertical routes not allowing the huge OL to move forward and impose their will on defensive lines, allowing quick defenders to simply blow right by these big men? Yeah, thats' right Jason Garrett...

Who refuses to run screens and short slants to counter act the pressure of the blitzes? Yeah, that's right, Tony Romo...

How do HoF receivers and Pro Bowl WRs that played in the same system in Detroit not know how to run routes properly? That's right, they don't, otherwise they wouldn't be Hof WRs or in the pro-Bowl...

How does one become a HoF reciver, hwo does one be known for garbling up books on the history of football, and not work hard? That's right, they don't... I call BS...

Your damn right, this offense turns the ball over... And blame Garrett, whose game-plan is so stupid, that this offense only runs well in hurry-up mode, which ultimately leads to a a wild tempo, which further magnifies the TO problem...

you are seriously delusional dude...there's no reason to discuss any of this further with you

I'm betting deep down inside you are one of those incredibly ******** "fans" who wishes certain aspects of the team or players fail so you can say "see!!!! I knew it!!!!"

 

[khiladi]

you are seriously delusional dude...there's no reason to discuss any of this further with you

I'm betting deep down inside you are one of those incredibly ******** "fans" who wishes certain aspects of the team or players fail so you can say "see!!!! I knew it!!!!"

Then Tony Romo, TO, and Roy WIlliams are also delusional... right??

Tell me again, who did Jason Garrett coach before becoming the OC of the Cowboys? WHo was his starting QB, that he mentored during that time?

BTW,I did give credit to Garrett against the Commanders... Go back and read the game thread, and you will find me one the few people defending him during that game. Too bad he didn't learn from that game and went back to his pathetic game-plans...

 

[5Countem5]

Garrett's ascension isn't unheard of, Landry became a DC after only 2 years as a player/coach. Plenty of others had as limited of a resume'.

I'm not saying Garrett will be Landry, but to simply blow him off because of his coaching resume' is wrong.

 

[khiladi]

Garrett's ascension isn't unheard of, Landry became a DC after only 2 years as a player/coach. Plenty of others had as limited of a resume'.

I'm not saying Garrett will be Landry, but to simply blow him off because of his coaching resume' is wrong.

1956 and 2007 are years apart...

 

[5Countem5]

1956 and 2007 are years apart...

Nahhhh-- Football is football...

I could find more recent examples but am too lazy tonight...

Correction- You said 1956 and 2007 are "years apart" - That is true ,51 years to be exact.

 

[RamziD]

Wow, there's a reason I don't come on here often and post. Some of you guys are just a bunch of whiners. Where in "...I don't think they used us correctly this past season. But hopefully this season with training camp under our belt we can all get on the same page and win some ball games" is RW "ripping" Garrett? And how do you automatically assume that he's taking a swipe at the coaching staff by saying "I think that was more of an excuse for others to use"? It's just as likely he's talking about the media or a bunch of overly critical fans. Where is my guy 5countem5 to put some of you drama queens in your place...

 

[OAM]

Who else is rooting for an NFL work stoppage this summer?

LOL!