FWST Blog: Still troubled Quincy Carter opens up, says Jerry made billionaire play

[Big Country]

Especially after it was Bill who gave him the clean slate after his 2002 mutiny.

No joke!! Bill was being more than fair by giving him a chance to compete straight up...

Ah the memories of those lean years... pretty anorexic compared to present day

 

[Hostile]

Dang, Parcells chose Vinnie over Warner???? Why?

Vinny was a FOB.

That pissed me off. I never liked the Testa signing and still don't. Very few of us wanted Warner. Those of us who did were raked over the coals for it. He was "washed up."

 

[BAT]

Vinny was a FOB.

That pissed me off. I never liked the Testa signing and still don't. Very few of us wanted Warner. Those of us who did were raked over the coals for it. He was "washed up."

Warner was coming off hand injuries that took him almost 2 years to recover from, but Vinnie never won jack. Warner's age (spring chicken compared to Vinnie) & resume should have given him the edge, easily. Parcells and his "guys". *shakes head*

 

[DWhite Fan]

So...let me get this straight...Romo isn't good enough, and we should have had someone else here already, because he hasn't won a playoff game or superbowl? yet you were upset they got rid of TO, despite the fact he never won a playoff game or superbowl here.

Interesting.

Should Witten, Barber, D-Ware, and Bigg go as well? I mean they've had multiple years here now to win a superbowl or playoff game and they haven't either.

Or do we only put that blame on one player? When they don't win it's all Romo's fault but if they win it will be a team effort right?

All of a sudden, it is 1984 again

Bring on Gary Hogeboom!
:laugh2:

 

[Hoofbite]

Dang, Parcells chose Vinnie over Warner???? Why?

Cause Warner looked washed up at that time. There was about a 5 year period where Warner was either sucking badly or not playing at all. Vinny was washed up by might as well go with the devil you know.

 

[jazzcat22]

I thought marijuana only made you paranoid, not delusional. I learned something new today.

It's a new strain....called MariQCARwanna play football like Tony Romo.....

 

[Jack Burton]

No sir. Here is the Q saga from his benching to his waiver.

Quincy had a chronic need to visit Jerry Jones for reassurance. The guy panicked about competition and even tried to racially divide the locker room against Hutch. He was called down by Darren Woodson and Emmitt Smith.

Before the 2003 game against Arizona he was struggling in practice with the routes and reads in Bruce Coslet's Offense. He mentioned it to Joey Galloway and Galloway started cutting off routes so Q could complete the passes.

Then in the film session Coslet got pissed because the plays were not being run the way he had them drawn up. Quincy threw Galloway under the bus. Several guys had to keep Joey from killing him after he did that. He said, "I can't afford the criticism, you can." That is a direct quote.

So in the Arizona game Galloway and the other receivers ran the routes as drawn up, not the way they had practiced and Q was all over the place bad. His worst game ever. In the huddle he basically called them traitors. On the way back to the sidelines in that game there was footage of Emmitt Smith yelling at Q and as he neared the sidelines Jerry and Q got into it.

The first time I shared this story I added this line to it. If you go back and look at where the WRs are and how much YAC they could have gained if the ball had been delivered where Coslet designed it, he could have had one of his best games. Please go back and look if you have that game and can stomach it.

After that game Woodson and Emmitt went to Campo and Coslet and said the team would be better off if Q was benched because he had lost the team. Hutch was brought in and no matter how bad he was, he was never pulled.

Q got the message and he started trying to fix his own image. When Parcells arrived Q was given a clean slate and he performed for Parcells and the man liked him, but he could not trust him.

Then they made the trade for Drew Henson and Q immediately demanded a meeting with Jerry. What was his role here? Why were they undercutting him? All that kind of jazz. It pissed Parcells off. I mean it royally pissed him off.

In March of that year the Cowboys began targeting either Kurt Warner or Vinny Testaverde. I knew as early as March of that year that Q was going to be cut. He had one chance, shine in Training Camp. He didn't and that was why he was cut.

The Dallas Cowboys have worked around positive drug tests before. Why did one test by one guy mean this kind of consipiracy crap? That's just it, it didn't.

I am not guessing about this stuff. Some of the info I have shared with you is directly from players who were in that locker room. Quincy was gone as soon as Vinny was signed. I wish we had signed Kurt Warner but I can't have everything.

Thanks for sharing that very detailed breakdown with us. I am sometimes disappointed with Romo's carelessness concerning turnovers, but he is clearly the best QB we've had since Aikman. The only bright side of the Vinnie years was that Romo had an actual pro to learn from.

 

[arync]

this was actually a good interview. I think he's crazy and he scared me everytime he dropped back to pass.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Cry me a river Quincy, you had your shot and you blew it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No sir. Here is the Q saga from his benching to his waiver.

Quincy had a chronic need to visit Jerry Jones for reassurance. The guy panicked about competition and even tried to racially divide the locker room against Hutch. He was called down by Darren Woodson and Emmitt Smith.

Before the 2003 game against Arizona he was struggling in practice with the routes and reads in Bruce Coslet's Offense. He mentioned it to Joey Galloway and Galloway started cutting off routes so Q could complete the passes.

Then in the film session Coslet got pissed because the plays were not being run the way he had them drawn up. Quincy threw Galloway under the bus. Several guys had to keep Joey from killing him after he did that. He said, "I can't afford the criticism, you can." That is a direct quote.

So in the Arizona game Galloway and the other receivers ran the routes as drawn up, not the way they had practiced and Q was all over the place bad. His worst game ever. In the huddle he basically called them traitors. On the way back to the sidelines in that game there was footage of Emmitt Smith yelling at Q and as he neared the sidelines Jerry and Q got into it.

The first time I shared this story I added this line to it. If you go back and look at where the WRs are and how much YAC they could have gained if the ball had been delivered where Coslet designed it, he could have had one of his best games. Please go back and look if you have that game and can stomach it.

After that game Woodson and Emmitt went to Campo and Coslet and said the team would be better off if Q was benched because he had lost the team. Hutch was brought in and no matter how bad he was, he was never pulled.

Q got the message and he started trying to fix his own image. When Parcells arrived Q was given a clean slate and he performed for Parcells and the man liked him, but he could not trust him.

Then they made the trade for Drew Henson and Q immediately demanded a meeting with Jerry. What was his role here? Why were they undercutting him? All that kind of jazz. It pissed Parcells off. I mean it royally pissed him off.

In March of that year the Cowboys began targeting either Kurt Warner or Vinny Testaverde. I knew as early as March of that year that Q was going to be cut. He had one chance, shine in Training Camp. He didn't and that was why he was cut.

The Dallas Cowboys have worked around positive drug tests before. Why did one test by one guy mean this kind of consipiracy crap? That's just it, it didn't.

I am not guessing about this stuff. Some of the info I have shared with you is directly from players who were in that locker room. Quincy was gone as soon as Vinny was signed. I wish we had signed Kurt Warner but I can't have everything.

Man I honestly didn't know any of this stuff. Then again until I found this site in 08 I'd never kept up with the team as closely, off the field, as I have with the articles and such here.

Thanks for the information on it Hos. That's interesting stuff. I didn't even know that he'd gotten into it with teammates with stuff like that or that they were cutting off routes to help him or any of that stuff.

Very interesting.

 

[rojan]

Man I honestly didn't know any of this stuff. Then again until I found this site in 08 I'd never kept up with the team as closely, off the field, as I have with the articles and such here.

Thanks for the information on it Hos. That's interesting stuff. I didn't even know that he'd gotten into it with teammates with stuff like that or that they were cutting off routes to help him or any of that stuff.

Very interesting.

Very interesting indeed, We need to get him his own sticky or something so these kind of in depth stories don't get lost in threads.

 

[Hostile]

Warner was coming off hand injuries that took him almost 2 years to recover from, but Vinnie never won jack. Warner's age (spring chicken compared to Vinnie) & resume should have given him the edge, easily. Parcells and his "guys". *shakes head*

Courtesy of Roy Williams and Dallas BTW.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Courtesy of Roy Williams and Dallas BTW.

I still remember that game and that injury. I remember feeling bad that Warner had gotten injured but I do remember us beating them when I didn't think we'd have a shot of defeating them. That made me feel pretty good at the time.

 

[BAT]

Courtesy of Roy Williams and Dallas BTW.

Yep. But even before that game, Warner was still getting over some other hand/arm injury. Roy just exacerbated it, boy did he ever.


Still would have taken him over Vinnie tho. Not just speaking from hindsight either. Warner was only a couple years removed from the Greatest Show on Turf.

 

[Use Your Illusion]

No sir. Here is the Q saga from his benching to his waiver.

Quincy had a chronic need to visit Jerry Jones for reassurance. The guy panicked about competition and even tried to racially divide the locker room against Hutch. He was called down by Darren Woodson and Emmitt Smith.

Before the 2002 game against Arizona he was struggling in practice with the routes and reads in Bruce Coslet's Offense. He mentioned it to Joey Galloway and Galloway started cutting off routes so Q could complete the passes.

Then in the film session Coslet got pissed because the plays were not being run the way he had them drawn up. Quincy threw Galloway under the bus. Several guys had to keep Joey from killing him after he did that. He said, "I can't afford the criticism, you can." That is a direct quote.

So in the Arizona game Galloway and the other receivers ran the routes as drawn up, not the way they had practiced and Q was all over the place bad. His worst game ever. In the huddle he basically called them traitors. On the way back to the sidelines in that game there was footage of Emmitt Smith yelling at Q and as he neared the sidelines Jerry and Q got into it.

The first time I shared this story I added this line to it. If you go back and look at where the WRs are and how much YAC they could have gained if the ball had been delivered where Coslet designed it, he could have had one of his best games. Please go back and look if you have that game and can stomach it.

After that game Woodson and Emmitt went to Campo and Coslet and said the team would be better off if Q was benched because he had lost the team. Hutch was brought in and no matter how bad he was, he was never pulled.

Q got the message and he started trying to fix his own image. When Parcells arrived Q was given a clean slate and he performed for Parcells and the man liked him, but he could not trust him.

Then they made the trade for Drew Henson and Q immediately demanded a meeting with Jerry. What was his role here? Why were they undercutting him? All that kind of jazz. It pissed Parcells off. I mean it royally pissed him off.

In March of that year the Cowboys began targeting either Kurt Warner or Vinny Testaverde. I knew as early as March of that year that Q was going to be cut. He had one chance, shine in Training Camp. He didn't and that was why he was cut.

The Dallas Cowboys have worked around positive drug tests before. Why did one test by one guy mean this kind of consipiracy crap? That's just it, it didn't.

I am not guessing about this stuff. Some of the info I have shared with you is directly from players who were in that locker room. Quincy was gone as soon as Vinny was signed. I wish we had signed Kurt Warner but I can't have everything.

You cooked up quite the story here, but I don't buy it. If Quincy's one chance to make the team was "shine" in training camp, why was he cut just four days into camp? Having to impress in three practices or you're out doesn't make any sense at all. That reeks much more of finding out about a failed drug test than anything. His release seemed to be a culmination of things, with the drug test being the last straw.

 

[DallasEast]

You cooked up quite the story here, but I don't buy it. If Quincy's one chance to make the team was "shine" in training camp, why was he cut just four days into camp? Having to impress in three practices or you're out doesn't make any sense at all. That reeks much more of finding out about a failed drug test than anything. His release seemed to be a culmination of things, with the drug test being the last straw.

Training camp is a very limited resource used towards prepping a team for the regular season. If Carter had three bad practices, it could have been more than enough for a seasoned coach like Parcells to state, "Enough is enough. Time to move on". Hostile's 'story', as you put it, seems more credible than the assumption of an important team decision being delayed only so that it fits the criteria of someone other than the head coach. Exactly how long should he have waited?

 

[Hostile]

You cooked up quite the story here, but I don't buy it. If Quincy's one chance to make the team was "shine" in training camp, why was he cut just four days into camp? Having to impress in three practices or you're out doesn't make any sense at all. That reeks much more of finding out about a failed drug test than anything. His release seemed to be a culmination of things, with the drug test being the last straw.

Actually it makes perfect sense. They arrived at Camp. The QBs took part in drills and practices. Vinny satisfied them that they could start him. Quincy was still making the same mistakes. They decided not to put off surgery. So they trimmed the fat. The key to his being cut was Vinny Testaverde. He was good enough right away to convince them there was no need to wait.

The ideas that they would postpone it and see how it rides out make no sense at all. Yes, he failed a drug test. But I am telling you that was incidental to their plan. If he was clean he still would have been waived. He was no longer in their plans. When you bring in 2 QBs in one off season it means things were not good at QB the previous season. We did it again in 2009. The only difference is there is no chance the starter gets the door because despite Quincy's hollow guarantee that Tony wouldn't even be here, he has proven himself and the ceiling for his potential is tremendously high as opposed to badly limited.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'd forgotten that Vinny was already here, when they cut Carter, for some reason I was thinking they signed him afterwards.

So, yeah, that validate my point, entirely, that if Carter doesn't get cut Romo does NOT make this team, even as a PS squad that year.

Carter, Vinny, Henson, Hutch. They're not going to keep 5 guys around. Hutch would have wound up on the PS with Carter, Vinny, and Henson being the top 3.

No room for Romo.

So, again, thank God Carter got cut or Romo would have wound up somewhere else at the end of that TC.

 

[Bach]

You cooked up quite the story here, but I don't buy it. If Quincy's one chance to make the team was "shine" in training camp, why was he cut just four days into camp? Having to impress in three practices or you're out doesn't make any sense at all. That reeks much more of finding out about a failed drug test than anything. His release seemed to be a culmination of things, with the drug test being the last straw.

They gave him four whole days, what more do you want?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Actually they gave him 2 seasons prior to that to show he could do it. He sucked from the time he got here all the way to the time he was cut. He had more than enough time to at least prove he didn't suck anymore.