FWST: Phillips takes high road with critics but points out he has won more than BP

[Dave_in-NC]

Why does it have to be one side or the other?

Bill got us on winning track, sure. But plain and simple he quit on the team, I'm not going to defend the man. I simply think the game has passed him by.

I think Wade has done a nice job so far. Could it be better? Of course, but his time is not yet over in Dallas. So I will support the coach.

owens,Tank and Pacman. Coaches leave teams who's GM put three of the NFls biggest idiots on the same roster.

 

[Apollo Creed]

"Can't win with them."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I mentioned three of them in my post.

explain to me how that is any shrewder than Parcells bringing in Ryan Young, Adrian Murrell and Vinny Testerverde?

sounds like he ripped a play right out of the Parcells' roster playbook of bringing in guys you've coached to be stop-gaps

that's not clever at all

 

[Doomsday101]

owens,Tank and Pacman. Coaches leave teams who's GM put three of the NFls biggest idiots on the same roster.

Pacman and Tank did not play for BP, only idiot was Owens and I have been shot Keith Davis :laugh2:

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Pacman and Tank did not play for BP, only idiot was Owens and I have been shot Keith Davis :laugh2:

I stand corrected. owens would be enough by himself.
I forgot about Killa

 

[peplaw06]

It has nothing to do with that. Its people constantly making the claim that Wade has accomplished more than Parcells when Wade inherited a playoff team with an All Pro QB and Parcells inherited Quincy Carter.

Its an apples to oranges comparision yet it pops up daily in multiple threads, and now even Wade is making the dishonest comparison to try and prop himself up.

The 9-7 year was Romo's first starting and he wasn't even in there for 1/3 of the season.

Bill had that "All Pro QB" on the roster the entire time he was here. He chose to go with a slew of retread QBs as opposed to putting Romo in there. Would Romo have been ready? Who knows? But Bill still had the guy on the team.

You're giving Bill a pass because Romo only started 10 games in 2006? (which btw is way more than 1/3 of the season)

And conveniently left out is that the team completely spiraled out of his control in Wade's 2nd season coming off 13-3 and led to one of the worst losses in franchise history.

"Spiraled out of control" = 9-7?? What do you call losing 4 out of the last 6 in 2003, or going 6-10 in 2004 after 10-6, or going 9-7 back to back in 2005 and 2006?

All I'm saying is it's interesting how you're spinning this depending on who you like better.

Wade did a nice job here this year and I give him credit for that, but again he still has more than Bill had, particularly in Romo finally maturing, and he still hasn't won anything but 1 Wild Card game - followed by another pummeling to end the season.

Romo has matured under Wade. And the one wild card game is more than Bill won here.

The real difference is it seems like the team is genuinely getting better. I didn't feel like that was the case when Bill left. Yeah, we had a young QB, but he was still something of an unknown. On the other hand, we had gone 9-7 twice in a row and 6-10 before that.

 

[Doomsday101]

I stand corrected. owens would be enough by himself.
I forgot about Killa

As BP called him the player. :laugh2:

 

[peplaw06]

explain to me how that is any shrewder than Parcells bringing in Ryan Young, Adrian Murrell and Vinny Testerverde?

sounds like he ripped a play right out of the Parcells' roster playbook of bringing in guys you've coached to be stop-gaps

that's not clever at all

ummmm... because all of the guys you mentioned were DONE. They were brought in partly because no one else wanted em.

Sensabaugh and Igor are still relatively young. And here's the key, they're all productive.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ummmm... because all of the guys you mentioned were DONE. They were brought in partly because no one else wanted em.

Sensabaugh and Igor are still relatively young. And here's the key, they're all productive.

my point is that all coaches do that

it wasn't something Wade thunk up himself, hence I don't see the cleverness in it

and it's definitely not something to go, "ooh, ooh, Parcells never thought to think of that!"

but I agree with what you're saying, just don't see the need to make something up to prop up Wade

 

[Doomsday101]

my point is that all coaches do that

it wasn't something Wade thunk up himself, hence I don't see the cleverness in it

and it's definitely not something to go, "ooh, ooh, Parcells never thought to think of that!"

but I agree with what you're saying, just don't see the need to make something up to prop up Wade

The cleverness was getting guys who had something left in the tank not guys who were completely done. It is one thing getting a stop gap player but to this day I still can't figure out Eddie George he was toast before he came to Dallas as was Vinny. I don't really fault most of those moves we took a chance and some just did not pay off

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The cleverness was getting guys who had something left in the tank not guys who were completely done. It is one thing getting a stop gap player but to this day I still can't figure out Eddie George he was toast before he came to Dallas as was Vinny. I don't really fault most of those moves we took a chance and some just did not pay off

no, clever is signing an undrafted Miles Austin and grooming him to be a starting WR for you, as opposed to spending a 1st round pick on one

or trading a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick for one

just because something works, doesn't mean it's clever, and besides, ALL coaches look for and strive for that same thing

 

[Doomsday101]

no, clever is signing an undrafted Miles Austin and grooming him to be a starting WR for you, as opposed to spending a 1st round pick on one

or trading a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick for one

just because something works, doesn't mean it's clever, and besides, ALL coaches look for and strive for that same thing

and when it does not work they catch hell and when it does they get the praise only differance I see is those who refuse to give Wade credit for doing a good job.

Notice I said good job not great, win the SB then it is great. As far as I'm concerned BP did a good job as well not great. I don't give a rats backside of what BP did in the late 80's early 90's. He had 4 season 0 playoff wins any other coach would be catching heat, then again most coaches who had won their division 2 out of 3 years would be getting some kudos but we have some stubborn fans who refuse to give any credit that does not fit their own agenda.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and when it does not work they catch hell and when it does they get the praise only differance I see is those who refuse to give Wade credit for doing a good job.

Notice I said good job not great, win the SB then it is great. As far as I'm concerned BP did a good job as well not great. I don't give a rats backside of what BP did in the late 80's early 90's. He had 4 season 0 playoff wins any other coach would be catching heat, then again most coaches who had won their division 2 out of 3 years would be getting some kudos but we have some stubborn fans who refuse to give any credit that does not fit their own agenda.

I agree with peplaw, so this isn't about me witholding credit

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with peplaw, so this isn't about me witholding credit

Sure it is those who act as if Wade walked into a top situation and had nothing to do with building living off what someone else did? Please Wade has added to this program with some very key players that we lacked before. BP did a good job as well. I just think it is chicken **** when people claim he is not a real coach or is some puppet.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The cleverness was getting guys who had something left in the tank not guys who were completely done. It is one thing getting a stop gap player but to this day I still can't figure out Eddie George he was toast before he came to Dallas as was Vinny. I don't really fault most of those moves we took a chance and some just did not pay off

I agree for the most part. It was also clever to bring in some players who knew/understood what Parcells was trying to do. That's how you change the atmosphere of the team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree for the most part. It was also clever to bring in some players who knew/understood what Parcells was trying to do. That's how you change the atmosphere of the team.

I agree as well however some like Eddie George was a head scratcher for me. Vinny I was a bit more understanding but the guy was done, thus Bledsoe is brought which made a bit more sense than Vinny. By the same Token Wade has done the same however Brooking is the only one who is a bit up in age but he clearly made a differance for this team

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Phillips said what frustrates him most is that people don't appreciate how hard it is to win games.

Wahhhh its hard to win games.... so dont coach anymore.

And he had to totaly rebuild a team. He had to develop the QB Phillips is riding.
Phillips walked in to ten times the better situation than Parcells did.

Unless fans are satisfied with two blow outs in Phillips two most important games as Cowboys HC, he hasn't done a thing in Dallas either.

Shut your mouth. Dont you know that Bill Parcells did nothing for this franchise. Dont you know that Jimmy Johnson had very little to do with winning 3 in 4 years.

Very, very bad post on your part

 

[Tommy]

Wade Phillips has won 2 division titles in 3 years. He brings us our first playoff win in over a decade. He has brought this team to the point where Cowboys fans can look at the offseason with optimism and get excited about next September. We havent had that in a long time.

Still, he gets absolutely no credit for it. He has been successful here but is treated like he hasn't. He constantly has to answer questions about his playoff record, his job status, is he too soft, can he motivate.

But damn him when he speaks up and tries to defend himself. He has no right to do that. We he gets called "cupcake" even by so-called Cowboys fans he needs to sit down and take it.

Why doesnt he just admit to the geniuses in the media that he sucks as a coach, that Jerry is making a big mistake in keeping him around but that he will still try to win a few games next year.

Would that make everybody happy?

 

[panchucko]

It happens all of the time, coaches step into good situations. Wade did for sure, Seifert did with the niners, Gruden did with Tampa, it is the way of life, it is what you do with the situation that counts. I think the team we have now is way better than any Cowboy team BP put together.

 

[peplaw06]

my point is that all coaches do that

it wasn't something Wade thunk up himself, hence I don't see the cleverness in it

and it's definitely not something to go, "ooh, ooh, Parcells never thought to think of that!"

but I agree with what you're saying, just don't see the need to make something up to prop up Wade

All coaches do it, sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. By and large the moves Wade has made like this have been ones that worked out, and he hasn't broken the bank in doing it. Igor saved a ton of money over Canty and Sansabaugh the same over Roy Willy. I don't say that they're shrewd just because they worked, but because they also more than paid for themselves.

no, clever is signing an undrafted Miles Austin and grooming him to be a starting WR for you, as opposed to spending a 1st round pick on one

or trading a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick for one

just because something works, doesn't mean it's clever, and besides, ALL coaches look for and strive for that same thing

If picking up Miles as a UDFA hadn't worked, you wouldn't be calling it "clever."