FWST: Phillips takes high road with critics but points out he has won more than BP

[burmafrd]

BP only had that first year as high picks. Remember he had mostly winning seasons afterwards so we were drafting usualy around 20. The only first rd pick that did not produce was Carp and he does somewhat now. actually second rd was where he had the problems. We did not do too well there. 3rd rd we did well as well as later on. BP came into a team that was a MESS before he got here. Wade inherited a playoff team.

 

[Doomsday101]

BP only had that first year as high picks. Remember he had mostly winning seasons afterwards so we were drafting usualy around 20. The only first rd pick that did not produce was Carp and he does somewhat now. actually second rd was where he had the problems. We did not do too well there. 3rd rd we did well as well as later on. BP came into a team that was a MESS before he got here. Wade inherited a playoff team.

Wade inherited a 9-7 team. BP best season was year 1 when the team went 10-6 after that we went 6-10, 9-7 and 9-7. The current team has 22 starters who were not starting or on the team in 2006 BP last season

 

[Gaede]

Wade's right, really. The Cowboys are what they are.

He's criticized only because the press looks back at Parcells and romanticizes the **** out of him. In comparison, they see Wade as a country bumpkin doofus who can't really know what's going on.

In reality, he's a really good football coach who the players actually love. And he wins too. Two division titles in three years is extremely impressive, no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I love all the folks that try to act like Wade Phillips is a better coach then Bill Parcells.

I think people forget just how crappy the talent on Bill Parcells' teams were the first few years. We were the beneficiaries of an easy schedule in 2003 but were eventually exposed.

If Wade Phillips would have inherited Quincy and Hambrick, we would have won about 2 games.

 

[FightingIrishman]

Wade will be entering his 4th this coming season so who knows. Fact is Wade has not been given much of a chance by the critics since day 1.

What? The mediots have the cowboys as a SB fav every year. Every year is "THE YEAR."

Give me a break.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Actually Phillips has a better post season record than Bill did with the Cowboys as well.

Bill was able to draft well BECAUSE of those 3 5-11 seasons.

Wade has not had the advantage of high draft picks to waste on players that did not work out for him.

No Bill Parcells was able to draft well because he surrounded himself with smart people and he knows talent.

Many clubs like the Browns and Raiders get high draft picks annually and completely suck year after year.

 

[Doomsday101]

I love all the folks that try to act like Wade Phillips is a better coach then Bill Parcells.

I think people forget just how crappy the talent on Bill Parcells' teams were the first few years. We were the beneficiaries of an easy schedule in 2003 but were eventually exposed.

If Wade Phillips would have inherited Quincy and Hambrick, we would have won about 2 games.

I'm not claiming Wade to be better or wrose only that BP did not raise the sun and Wade is just some flunky taking over what BP built by himself which seems to be the fairy tale some like to tell. We have 22 different starting players on this team than what we had in 06. Personally I get tired of the slams on Wade as Coach cup cakes hell he had more 2 a days during training camp than any year that BP was here.

 

[Bach]

I love all the folks that try to act like Wade Phillips is a better coach then Bill Parcells.

I think people forget just how crappy the talent on Bill Parcells' teams were the first few years. We were the beneficiaries of an easy schedule in 2003 but were eventually exposed.

If Wade Phillips would have inherited Quincy and Hambrick, we would have won about 2 games.

EXACTLY


But it all comes down to some feel the need to defend the ones who are here now while trying to tear down the ones who aren't. Same thing with the silly Jerry / Jimmy debates. There's really no debate, but since Jerry is still here and Jimmy's not, then to some they have to try and defend all things Jerry while at the same time try and discredit Jimmy. Really is a strange mentality, imo.

 

[Doomsday101]

No Bill Parcells was able to draft well because he surrounded himself with smart people and he knows talent.

Many clubs like the Browns and Raiders get high draft picks annually and completely suck year after year.

BP was not running the draft he had a say as did the scouts and in the end it was Jerry call when ever the scouts and BP did not agree on a player selection in some instance Jerry sided with BP and others he sided with the scouts. BP played a big part but it was never him alone

 

[Doomsday101]

EXACTLY


But it all comes down to some feel the need to defend the ones who are here now while trying to tear down the ones who aren't. Same thing with the silly Jerry / Jimmy debates. There's really no debate, but since Jerry is still here and Jimmy's not, then to some they have to try and defend all things Jerry while at the same time try and discredit Jimmy. Really is a strange mentality, imo.

And some have done nothing but slam the current HC, it would be a bit easier to look back at BP and what he did if it was not filled with BS and slams at the current HC

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm not claiming Wade to be better or wrose only that BP did not raise the sun and Wade is just some flunky taking over what BP built by himself which seems to be the fairy tale some like to tell. We have 22 different starting players on this team than what we had in 06. Personally I get tired of the slams on Wade as Coach cup cakes hell he had more 2 a days during training camp than any year that BP was here.

Yes he did.

When Bill Parcells left this franchise, it was exactly like a phrase a famous politician we all know use to say, "It is mourning in America", and America in this case were the Cowboys.

The totally revamped the Franchise.

I still say we don't get the new Stadium in Arlington if Bill Parcells isn't hired and people could actually see the Franchise making progress.

New Stadium

New Franchise Quarterback

At least 3 guys that have a shot at the Ring of Honor (Ware, Romo and Witten)

Went to the Playoffs with a QB with a drug problem and another who had only started half the Season

To me that is raising the Sun, if looked at from the perspective of what we were prior to his arrival.

 

[Alexander]

Bill was able to draft well BECAUSE of those 3 5-11 seasons.

Wait, I thought he was a terrible influence on the draft. Make up your mind.

Wade has not had the advantage of high draft picks to waste on players that did not work out for him.

What high picks? The highest we ever drafted that we did not trade for was the very first draft in 2002 when we picked Newman fifth. The Ware choice at eleven was part of the Losman trade. I must be missing these "high" choices you speak of.

Bill Parcells was brought here and did his job BECAUSE we had 3 5-11 seasons that were a direct reflection of the decay of the franchise.

So instead of being at least somewhat thankful for that, please continue to lament the fact he did not meet your unrealistic expectations of a Super Bowl from the minute he was hired.

He was not necessarily brought here just to win. He was brought here to fix the organizational mess that Jerry Jones created. That was his job, and he also had to then coach a team that was seriously devoid of talent, practically as bad as what Jimmy Johnson started with.

If anything, Phillips has his job much easier because all he has to do is worry about winning the games he plays and not as much about revamping the entire organization from top to bottom.

For the record, I think Phillips has earned the right to be "left alone" based off the results from this past season. And I hardly think the backlash for an embarassing loss to Minnesota has been nearly as severe as it deserves because he bought himself a good bit of equity down the stretch. Let him do what he is free to do and that is win the games he has to--just now it needs to go a step further and win in the postseason.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes he did.

When Bill Parcells left this franchise, it was exactly like a phrase a famous politician we all know use to say, "It is mourning in America", and America in this case were the Cowboys.

The totally revamped the Franchise.

I still say we don't get the new Stadium in Arlington if Bill Parcells isn't hired and people could actually see the Franchise making progress.

New Stadium

New Franchise Quarterback

At least 3 guys that have a shot at the Ring of Honor (Ware, Romo and Witten)

Went to the Playoffs with a QB with a drug problem and another who had only started half the Season

To me that is raising the Sun, if looked at from the perspective of what we were prior to his arrival.

:laugh2:

OK that is what you believe. Myself I don't think BP had anything to do with Jerry's desire to build a new stadium.

I do give BP major props as well as Jerry for changing the culture in this franchise but it was never BP alone. Currently it is not Wade alone like BP Wade does have the input on personnel but so do the scouts and Jerry is still the deciding factor when there is a disagreement on a player. Face it when Jerry hired BP that was a call out to the fans that how we do business will change and I think that is still in place today.

 

[adamknite]

The Ware choice at eleven was part of the Losman trade. I must be missing these "high" choices you speak of.

Ware was our draft pick, Spears was Buffalo's.

 

[Gaede]

Man, I remember the last two years with Parcells. Nobody was singing his praises then...

Everyone wanted him GONE...everyone here acts like a jilted lover or something...Parcells is human--he was not God. The same **** we complain about now we complained about when he was here too. But hey, he's a charmer and apparently that counts more than actual, factual, real live honest to god results.

 

[dbair1967]

And he had to totaly rebuild a team. He had to develop the QB Phillips is riding.
Phillips walked in to ten times the better situation than Parcells did.

Unless fans are satisfied with two blow outs in Phillips two most important games as Cowboys HC, he hasn't done a thing in Dallas either.

So the blowout win we had in the playoffs wasnt an important game?

Also, the loss to the Giants was far from a blowout, we had the ball and a chance to win twice at the end of the game.

If you are going to turn around and tell me last years blowout loss to Philly was one of Wade's most important games, then you also have to acknowledge that the win over Philly to end this yr was an important game as well.

 

[Doomsday101]

Man, I remember the last two years with Parcells. Nobody was singing his praises then...

Everyone wanted him GONE...everyone here acts like a jilted lover or something...Parcells is human--he was not God. The same **** we complain about now we complained about when he was here too. But hey, he's a charmer and apparently that counts more than actual, factual, real live honest to god results.

I agree. We never had a winning dec with BP, in 06 we went 2-4 in our division, in the contest between the teacher and student (NO) we got our butts handed to us and then lose the last 2 reg season games to Philly and Det which forced us to play the road game vs Seattle. BP did do allot of good things but this idea that we have taken a step back wards or the current team is all because of BP is just a flat out lie

 

[Doomsday101]

So the blowout win we had in the playoffs wasnt an important game?

Also, the loss to the Giants was far from a blowout, we had the ball and a chance to win twice at the end of the game.

If you are going to turn around and tell me last years blowout loss to Philly was one of Wade's most important games, then you also have to acknowledge that the win over Philly to end this yr was an important game as well.

You got to remember these games are only big and important if we lose but when we have won those games really were not that big. :laugh2:

 

[sago1]

Phillips needs to stop making dumb comparison statements. When Parcells arrived he took over a team which had gone 5-11 for 3 years. Because of his success in the NFL, Jerry game him more authority and our drafts generally added some really good players.

While the Cowboys have added some pretty good players since Wade's arrival, when you look at the starters the bulk of them are players Parcells brought to the team one way or another--particularly the so called name players like: Ware, Ratliff, Newman & on offense Witten, Romo, Austin, etc.

 

[dbair1967]

Morons. You later fans have no idea how PITIFUL the team was in 2002.

It was pitiful because of the QB and HC more than anything else.

BP not only had to remake the whole team but the front office and scouting situation as well. By far the BEST thing he did was get rid of Lacewell. He gave Jerruh the blue print on how to look at talent. So we would get no more drafts of nothing but the garbage we got.

Absolutely deserves credit for that, did a great job of upgrading the front office and scouting department.

As a coach I think he was SUPERB in 2003. Look at what he had to work with and he won 10 games. Q at QB, Hambone at RB, etc. I think that year burned him out as a coach as he was never that good again. Yeah he made some mistakes like Rogers, but he also was the ONLY person who wanted Colombo, and he was the ONLY person who wanted to give Gurode one more chance at center. He also convinced Jerruh to keep the Hotel with his first extension before the 2003 season.

It was also the product of a painfully easy schedule. He also wasnt the only person who wanted to give Gurode a chance at C, Jones said the day Gurode was drafted he was a center. Then Parcells made Gurode split time with Al Johnson, who was an obvious bust. I also dont know that Parcells had to do much to "convince" Jones to keep Adams.

Wade never had to rebuild a team like BP did FOUR SEPARATE TIMES. And he took each one to the playoffs. And only in Dallas did he fail to win a playoff game.

Parcells didnt rebuild the Giants, he coached the Giants. He also didnt have total control in New England, and thats why he left. He was hired in Dallas to get the Cowboys back to the bigtime, and he didnt win a playoff game in 4 years and barely finished above .500. Thats not success when you are the highest (or 2nd highest) paid coach in the NFL.

Wade had a top QB, RB, TE, good O line, and a growing and getting better D when he came in. What did BP have? Prior to his first draft he had about 5 players who were really good on the WHOLE TEAM.

Parcells deserves credit for putting alot of good players out there, but there ARE a bunch of new starters on this team. Parcells didnt draft Gurode or Adams. He didnt sign Davis. He didnt draft Felix Jones. He didnt sign Olshansky, Brooking, Hamlin or Sensabaugh, and he didnt draft Spencer, Jenkins or Scandrick.

He deserves credit for changing the culture of the organization, but just like anyone anywhere else he made alot of personnel mistakes (we can revisit this if you like) and was average at best as a HC.