FWST: Phillips takes high road with critics but points out he has won more than BP

[visionary]

Wait, I thought he was a terrible influence on the draft. Make up your mind.


What high picks? The highest we ever drafted that we did not trade for was the very first draft in 2002 when we picked Newman fifth. The Ware choice at eleven was part of the Losman trade. I must be missing these "high" choices you speak of.

Bill Parcells was brought here and did his job BECAUSE we had 3 5-11 seasons that were a direct reflection of the decay of the franchise.

So instead of being at least somewhat thankful for that, please continue to lament the fact he did not meet your unrealistic expectations of a Super Bowl from the minute he was hired.

He was not necessarily brought here just to win. He was brought here to fix the organizational mess that Jerry Jones created. That was his job, and he also had to then coach a team that was seriously devoid of talent, practically as bad as what Jimmy Johnson started with.

If anything, Phillips has his job much easier because all he has to do is worry about winning the games he plays and not as much about revamping the entire organization from top to bottom.

For the record, I think Phillips has earned the right to be "left alone" based off the results from this past season. And I hardly think the backlash for an embarassing loss to Minnesota has been nearly as severe as it deserves because he bought himself a good bit of equity down the stretch. Let him do what he is free to do and that is win the games he has to--just now it needs to go a step further and win in the postseason.

ssshhhhhhh!!!!
dont try to make sense

 

[Doomsay]

And some have done nothing but slam the current HC, it would be a bit easier to look back at BP and what he did if it was not filled with BS and slams at the current HC

Wade brought this on himself with the Parcells comparison. Wade should never talk about his regular season record given that he inherited a playoff team. He should have been talking about how much better we have to get on the offensive line, how the thrashing that the Vikings administered on both sides of the ball shows us how much we need to improve to make it to the championship game etc. I'd respect him if he talked like that and made the moves to achieve that success.

 

[CowboyDan]

I think we hit a nerve!!

I'll play the nice guy and say that I'm happy both of them were here. Bill did a great job putting some of the pieces in place and Wade a great job taking this team to the next level and adding the pieces that we needed to be a contender. And we have no one to thank but Jerry Jones for it. He brought both of them in here.
We are a contender, with Wade as the Head Coach. Don't let the Vikings game fool you, this team is very good. I'm glad Wade has a full plate of draft picks this year and I can't wait till next season starts.

:starspin

 

[Doomsday101]

Wade brought this on himself with the Parcells comparison. Wade should never talk about his regular season record given that he inherited a playoff team. He should have been talking about how much better we have to get on the offensive line, how the thrashing that the Vikings administered on both sides of the ball shows us how much we need to improve to make it to the championship game etc. I'd respect him if he talked like that and made the moves to achieve that success.

Wade has been dealing with that from day 1 as Jerry said Wade got no honeymoon he was second guessed and critized from day 1. As I mentioned BP never had a problem with blowing his own horn

 

[burmafrd]

No BP was the only voice to give Gurode another shot. Even Jerruh had given up on him. He put Gurode at guard because of the garbage we had there at the time. Al Johnson was OK at center mostly, not really good but not bad either. Gurode made a decent guard. He is a better center but no one really knew that until the results of a couple of years were obvious.

dbair you and too many others just do not realize how pitiful that 2002 team was. Bp only added Newman and a couple others really in 2003.

In 2003 the only real players we had that were good at their positions was teh Hotel, LA, Witten, Bryant for a while on offense. On D we had Ellis and Glover on the line, Dat and Coakley at LB, Newman and Woody in the secondary. At that time Roy was still hitting people so he was good to.
So he added Newman and Witten that year. You look at the other starters we had and outside of Glover, Elli and Roy NONE of them started anywhere else once they left us. And really how good have they done elsewhere? Glover was starting to go downhill, Roy already was, and Ellis, well how good did he do this year? And BP worked to replace them as fast as he could. Next year we found out just how weak the team was and that was when Jerruh bought off on going to the 3-4.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I think we hit a nerve!!

I'll play the nice guy and say that I'm happy both of them were here. Bill did a great job putting some of the pieces in place and Wade a great job taking this team to the next level and adding the pieces that we needed to be a contender. And we have no one to thank but Jerry Jones for it. He brought both of them in here.
We are a contender, with Wade as the Head Coach. Don't let the Vikings game fool you, this team is very good. I'm glad Wade has a full plate of draft picks this year and I can't wait till next season starts.

:starspin

Here! Here!

:toast:

 

[Alexander]

Phillips needs to stop making dumb comparison statements.

He also needs to quit being so hypersensitive to criticism.

If he is upset because nobody understands it is so hard to win games, then he should understand and appreciate what Coach Parcells achieved with less talent and more responsibility. Really what he needs to do is quit interjecting Parcells into the conversation period. I did not see how the question was asked but I doubt it had anything to do with directly comparing him to Parcells. He apparently has an issue with it, still.

Honestly, the criticism he is getting now is exactly what he faced in Denver and Buffalo if you look back on it. He replaced successful veteran coaches who had Super Bowls on their resumes. That kind of comparison is going to happen, it is not just because of Parcells.

He also needs to quit expecting people to modify the expectation level that has been with the franchise for the last 40 years or so.

Perhaps he needs to go coach in Cincinnati where his record of achievement would make him an all-timer for the Bengals. But when you take the biggest job on the biggest stage, you need to be able to handle both it and the bullets that will fly in your direction.

This season closing PC was the first time I have ever seen him mention his goal is reaching the Super Bowl instead of being a regular season "winner". It was actually encouraging.

 

[zrinkill]

BP only had that first year as high picks. Remember he had mostly winning seasons afterwards so we were drafting usualy around 20.

What high picks? The highest we ever drafted that we did not trade for was the very first draft in 2002 when we picked Newman fifth. The Ware choice at eleven was part of the Losman trade. I must be missing these "high" choices you speak of.

Huh?

With Campo's team he went 10-6

Then he went

6-10
9-7
9-7

Overall record those last 3 years was 24-24, how is that "mostly winning and drafting high"?
His top 2 picks in 2003 Terence Newman and Al Johnson
His top 2 picks in 2004 Julius Jones and Jacob Rogers.
His top 2 picks in 2005 Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears
His top 2 picks in 2006 Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Fasano

Compare that too Wades drafts with much worse draft positions

 

[burmafrd]

ANd he got the Rat where? Got Witten where? The draft is a lot more then two rounds by the way.

You cannot really compare the talent of the 2003 team with the 2006 team can you? Or are you not sharp enough to notice the difference?

 

[WoodysGirl]

He also needs to quit being so hypersensitive to criticism.

Or maybe people should dial back some of the criticism and begin recognizing the progress of the team since he's been in Dallas.
People need to not be so offended when he pats himself on the back for his own work.

While I agree that there are some things he's done that's warranted criticism, he was criticized before he picked up the whistle to coach his first practice here and it's been non-stop ever since.

Since he doesn't have anybody else pointing out his record or whatever other accomplishments, he might as well do it himself.

 

[zrinkill]

ANd he got the Rat where? Got Witten where? The draft is a lot more then two rounds by the way.

You cannot really compare the talent of the 2003 team with the 2006 team can you? Or are you not sharp enough to notice the difference?

And Wade has not found great players in the later rounds? Think carefully before answering.

And of course I see the difference ..... just like I see the difference in Bills last team and Wades current.

But apparently you are not bright enough to see that.

 

[Alexander]

Huh?

With Campo's team he went 10-6

Then he went

6-10
9-7
9-7

Overall record those last 3 years was 24-24, how is that "mostly winning and drafting high"?
His top 2 picks in 2003 Terence Newman and Al Johnson
His top 2 picks in 2004 Julius Jones and Jacob Rogers.
His top 2 picks in 2005 Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears
His top 2 picks in 2006 Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Fasano

Compare that too Wades drafts with much worse draft positions

So now they are "Wade's drafts"? Do tell.

And Wade has not found great players in the later rounds? Think carefully before answering.

You mean like Erik Walden?

 

[viman96]

Wade needs to stop comparing himself to others. The more he does the others will do it. Some will always do it and it is best to ignore them and move forward.

 

[zrinkill]

So now they are "Wade's drafts"? Do tell.

They are not? Or are you back too he is just a puppet.

You mean like Erik Walden?

Take your pick of the many busts between 2003 and 2006 ..... many of them in the 1-4 rounds.

 

[Alexander]

Wade needs to stop comparing himself to others. The more he does the others will do it. Some will always do it and it is best to ignore them and move forward.

If his record is so great and stands for itself, let it. The problem he just does not yet grasp is the circumstances he is in, just as much as he claims people just don't understand how hard it is to win.

Phillips brings it on himself because quite honestly, he still appears to be insecure. He just wants to be loved. And cuddled. He's good enough, he's smart enough and gosh darn it, people like him.

 

[zrinkill]

Phillips brings it on himself because quite honestly, he still appears to be insecure. He just wants to be loved. And cuddled. He's good enough, he's smart enough and gosh darn it, people like him.

Not gonna argue with that ..... I for one still want Wade replaced as head coach. (though I think he would be ideal as head of Football Operations)

But I still think he has done a better job while he has been here than Bill did.

In that regard ..... his record does speak for itself.

 

[Don Corleone]

Its not that he is saying it.

It's why he is saying it.

He's clearly trying to give himself a little boost. I suppose there's nothing wrong with that but it just sounds ridiculous. It's like claiming to be the offseason champions. Means nothing because if you take even a small look beyond the surface you will see so many things that are laughable.

So many mistakes? Like what? Just curious as to what would drive you to say "**** Parcells".

I don't see it as him giving himself a boost, but more that he is just trying to fight off critics. I'm sure he gets a bit defensive, as we all would in the same situation.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Not gonna argue with that ..... I for one still want Wade replaced as head coach. (though I think he would be ideal as head of Football Operations)

But I still think he has done a better job while he has been here than Bill did.

In that regard ..... his record does speak for itself.

If you are looking at their records, yes, Wade Phillips has done a better job then Bill Parcells.

But I think what people have to look at is what exactly was each men brought in to do.

I think a very cogent argument could be made that what they were brought in here to do was very different.

Bill Parcells was asked to find a Quarterback, overhaul the talent on the team and the front office, be a counter to Jerry Jones and last, field a winning team.

Wade Phillips was brought in here to just "fix" the Defense and he finally did that in the last year of his contract.

 

[Alexander]

They are not? Or are you back too he is just a puppet.

I don't think he has a great deal of influence over the draft, no. He might go and put his two cents in about a linebacker or two, but that is about the extent of it. Even Jones has admitted that the model now is more scout-driven than coach-driven.

Take your pick of the many busts between 2003 and 2006 ..... many of them in the 1-4 rounds.

And you also have the benefit of hindsight plus three years.

So if Jason Williams and Robert Brewster completely bomb, will you be just as angry at Phillips over the players you believe that he was responsible for drafting? I'll see you in 2013 and we can revisit.

 

[zrinkill]

I don't see it as him giving himself a boost, but more that he is just trying to fight off critics. I'm sure he gets a bit defensive, as we all would in the same situation.

Exactly.

Its his Ho-Hum attitude that pisses people off.

They do not like seeing it in a head coach (neither do I)

It makes them so angry that they ignore the fact that he is a great X's/O's coach and a wonderful talent evaluator.

I appreciate every thing that Bill did ..... he got us back on the right path .... but that does not mean that Wade has not carried us further up that path.

Even if he looks like a fat nerd while doing it.