Garrett’s strengths and weaknesses-Can he improve as a HC?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Bobhaze, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. GhostOfPelluer

    GhostOfPelluer Well-Known Member

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    Have you hit your ceiling professionally? It's a simple question. To pretend there is some artificial ceiling to be hit is asinine for anyone who is willing to work at their craft (particularly when it's not tied to physical/athletic prowess).
     
  2. TexasHillbilly

    TexasHillbilly Well-Known Member

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    After 20 years of doing the same thing, I still learn something every day. I also don't have 20,000 know it all's wanting to get me fired after every season. I am not dogging the fan base here, I am saying I only have to worry about 1 guy....my supervisor. Garrett has to worry about Jerrah and really doesn't care what we have to say. He is laughing all the way to the bank. He will never be a bilechek but there is always room for improvement....even for Jason G.

    Also, I truely believe that if he doesn't win this year, he will be looking for another job.
     
  3. ShiningStar

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    yes, either you can do the job rigt or oyu cant, not everyone can do every job and wasting 9 years is not worth it.

    I hit mine after 1 2 years as i get older. if i cant do a job by 2 years, i move on. its silly to waste time.
     
  4. ShiningStar

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    said year after year after year. you like to be punched in teh face. Got it.
     
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  5. CouchCoach

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    acr brings up a point I have wondered about after watching most of that All or Nothing doc on the Cowboys. I have this habit of not watching the central figure but watching those watching him. Did that with Owens and Bryant, trying to get a read on their reaction.

    If you watched that series, did you get the feeling they were all in on Garrett? I didn't, they seemed attentive but in a way I would expect, seemed more "I am paying attention because I am paid to pay attention". I felt like Garrett was trying to command the room by dropping F bombs. He'll be a coach by talking like one.

    These guys have spent most of their lives around football coaches and they know an empty whistle when they see one. They're the ones in the trenches when the bad plays happen and they're the ones that have heard from other players how predictable they are under Garrett. They know when their commander has failed them on the field and they talk among themselves just like all of us did with our bosses.

    It would be very interesting to do a blind survey with the players on last year's team as to why they think they lost that game in LA and also just how many would be OK if this was Garrett's last season.
     
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  6. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    He’d be the first guy to say he needs to improve. I think he’d also say that many of the things you list as his limitations are things he does intentionally because it’s what he believes in and are not necessarily the things he’d have listed on his own list of things he wants to improve.

    Generally speaking, Garrett teams perform up to their ability. We had a top-8 finish last season with a top-10 roster. Next year’s team ought to be better than last year’s and ought to be a contender in a tough NFC. If we fall short, it will probably be primarily because of execution and not necessarily coaching. With the obligatory hat-tip to the chorus of “if we’d coached differently we’d have executed better” that we’ll hear over and over again no matter what the outcome is.
     
  7. ShiningStar

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    so you think its on the players, not the coaches? So you dont like McClays actions?
     
  8. acr731

    acr731 Well-Known Member

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    I agree Garrett can't improve any more and has hit the ceiling.

    With that said, though, I find myself constantly learning new things, even after 28 years in the same career field. But that comes with a job that evolves and changes every other year.
     
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  9. acr731

    acr731 Well-Known Member

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    You don't hear Garrett admit he was wrong but on rare occasions. Normally he's throwing others under the bus.
     
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  10. ShiningStar

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    exactly and not all jobs are the same or the goals of teh job.

    the goal of sports is to win. we might not all agree, but no one bought into a sports franchise and said "well, if we win great, if not, no big deal"
     
  11. ClappingCarrot

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    I also like how Garrett handles the overzealous Dallas media. Not exactly a coaching strength in a traditional sense, but that stuff is still important.
     
  12. TexasHillbilly

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    that not it. They did not renew his contract. Win your in, lose your out.

    Punched in the face.....you don't even know what you are talking about and you know even less about his level of coaching. Your assumption of me is wrong. I thought you were better than that.
     
  13. eromeopolk

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    He will not get better. Remember Parcells and Landry's 3 year rule.

    You are what you are.
     
  14. acr731

    acr731 Well-Known Member

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    Thats exactly how some members here think. Why be satisfied with regular season accomplishments. Is that what you're primary goal is? To be nothing more than competitive year in and year out? I prefer making history, not being a footnote of times long past.
     
  15. CouchCoach

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    He learned that early on watching Aikman. I believe handling the media is a coaching strength and one of the reasons he will get a shot with another NFL team.
     
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  16. Idgit

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    That’s, of course, completely false.

    You rarely hear him publicly blame anybody at all, because he knows that’s not in the team’s best interest. And he knows how the Dallas media swarms when there’s blood in the water.

    What he does do is say players and coaches need to improve. When he does, most of the time he includes himself specifically on that list and then transitions to talking about the players in more detail as he tries to answer the question.
     
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  17. glimmerman

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    Do you think he is willing to do the work to get better. Is he going to change his conservative ways. I think he is what he is.. Maybe a little like JJ in the fact he wants to do it his way.
     
  18. glimmerman

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    That’s because he got on the job training of being a HC. You or I could be put in the job and show improvement over the course of 9 years.
     
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  19. acr731

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    He specifically threw Romo under the bus after a loss, and blamed him for changing the plays at the line.

    But in all honesty, I have listened to his pressers maybe a total of 5 minutes over the past 10 years combined. I can't stand to listen to that smug punk talk.
     
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  20. ShiningStar

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    a few things are going on that you might have missed. ok im sre you dont technically get punched in the face, however, this is abot sports, not all jobs. lets start there. the goal is to win, not be an even keel, or fill teh stands because people think you are good and some coaches ride that wave.

    his level of coaching might be OC, and thats fine, not all coaches are HC material. hes a nice guy, however this isnt the occupation for him. that happens in life.

    two things are constantly sceamed on this board, we have a lot of good talent, or Garrett sucks. For any sports, thats a bad combo, and with most teams rectified. our FO sees it and doesnt care. For coaches to be good, they can elevate decent players. Maybe Garrett is doing that, but the fans are confused if we have good players or if Garrett is good, clearly one of the two isnt working. For me it falls on the coaches , a good staff will play to its strenghts, Garret wont do this, he plays to the level of his opponents. He doesnt play the weaknesses ad he doest attack. Hes also still makig bad mistakes over and over and over. which after 9 years is annoying.

    I want to see Garrett be constistet in winning with what he has, he doesnt do that.

    Do you think the Jones boys didnt renew his contract just based on him? i tend to think it was a popular answer, play the "we ll see how it does and than make a move" in the Garrett era i ahvet seen the Jones boys be aggressive, which also leads me to believe Stephen will be a wimp as well, i could be wrong bt if he wanted to win, we would be seeing it by now. Garrett has been a 500 coach with a ferrari at times to play with.
     
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