Garrett and "Process" get big extension

[Idgit]

Some people judge coaches by what they do in the playoffs, not the regular season.

Marvin Lewis has won COTY also, but has done jack in the playoffs..........very similar to Garrett

Most of those people didn't like him because he couldn't get average teams over .500 just a few years ago.

At least the goal posts are moving in the right direction.

 

[Idgit]

He's the reigning Coach of the Year in the entire league.......lol that is meaningless, do you really think he was the best coach last year ??
He's won 12 games or more two of the last three years......6 years as HC and those are the only 2 winning seasons.
1-3 in playoffs, and if you count the win or go home games of the 8-8 years, he is 1-6
He's overhauled the roster ...... lol yes and that is still ongoing after 6 years, part of the process.

I don't think many bad coaches win NFL Coach or the Year awards, if that's what you're asking.

And I never considered getting to .500 with the rosters we had from 2011 to 2013 was anything he should have been blamed for. That hasn't changed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You know who else has been COTY....................

Taking a 4 win team to the playoffs the following year is a heck of an accomplishment. That is how he got there.

I understand that you care most about championships but that is hardly the only success a coach can have. Nevermind that Mike Brown is a godawful owner.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think many bad coaches win NFL Coach or the Year awards, if that's what you're asking.

And I never considered getting to .500 with the rosters we had from 2011 to 2013 was anything he should have been blamed for. That hasn't changed.

He's rebuilt the offense to one of the league's best, has the core of it locked up long term except for Martin, and just this past season developed a new franchise QB for the club.

As Sports Illustrated's Jonathan Jones noted: "He went from 4-12 to 13-3 in a year with a meddlesome and controversy-starting owner, a rookie quarterback, a rookie running back, a decent defense—all while dealing with benching a franchise quarterback."

He needs to do better on defense but given the lack of assets assigned there that is still a WIP.

Some people are just intractable no matter how much you rub their nose in it.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

58-46. He's a winning coach.

 

[Melonfeud]

Ok I cant say that JG masterminded all this, but he may have.
First get rid of Romo, that started last year by not letting Romo come back or play, JG was involved in that.
Now not resigning many players on defense and offense.

So now with 2nd year QB, and many new players on defense, and some on offense, JG will not be
expected to go to SB.

Had they kept Romo as starter, and resigned more players, he would then be expected to win it all.

But now as things have turned out who expects a SB run this year ?
Would JG have good excuse for not winning in playoffs in 2017?

I think all this extends the "process" and JG for many more years

Dak has to develop and grow, the defense has to be built, new players have to be developed.

But mainly getting rid of Romo was the best thing for JG, as long as Romo was the starter
he was expected to win ( if Romo wasnt hurt) but now with Dak, there are several years
of excuses built in.
The team will be competitive for the div title, and be in playoffs most likely, so all is good for JG.

Bottom line is JG might not be able to win against GB in playoffs, or manage the clock,
but he could be a genius at keeping his cushy job.

At least someone ain't afraid to dig deep and drag up to the light (and glint of the barbed hook) the fattest worm in the frickin' CAN!,,, well done sir! and on a much more personal matter,,,,I'm a Lipton tea drinker because of you,,,,TOO THIS DAY.

 

[Melonfeud]

58-46. He's a winning coach.

,,er,,,OK as only a fool argues facts, on the win /lose aspect yer' rounding home plate thanks to the fight and spirit attributed solely to T.R. holding 8-8 seasons x 3,,, but the facts of a 'clean hands, ivy league, perceived privileged panty waist professional BACK THE **** UP QUARTER BACK ' to be a 'coach' is insulting.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Taking a 4 win team to the playoffs the following year is a heck of an accomplishment. That is how he got there.

I understand that you care most about championships but that is hardly the only success a coach can have. Nevermind that Mike Brown is a godawful owner.

All I said was that both Jason Garrett and Marvin Lewis have both won COTY awards and both have had very limited success in the playoffs.

That is all 100% true.

 

[Beast_from_East]

58-46. He's a winning coach.

1-2 in the playoffs is the problem

 

[Melonfeud]

He's rebuilt the offense to one of the league's best, has the core of it locked up long term except for Martin, and just this past season developed a new franchise QB for the club.

As Sports Illustrated's Jonathan Jones noted: "He went from 4-12 to 13-3 in a year with a meddlesome and controversy-starting owner, a rookie quarterback, a rookie running back, a decent defense—all while dealing with benching a franchise quarterback."

He needs to do better on defense but given the lack of assets assigned there that is still a WIP.

Some people are just intractable no matter how much you rub their nose in it.

Although I hold you(sir?) In high esteem it's abundantly clear yer' not clearly intune/hardwired to the vibe and rumble this rigid street stomper of a team is gonna throttle back and roll with, and cling to the center pin of views,,, smh.
(I.e. you gotta be spoon frickin' fed by what some other spine sez' ,,ALL THE WHILE witnessing our team as compared to others?) ,,,,,

 

[Melonfeud]

Exactly, but Jason is very good at dealing with the jones boys, and keeping his job without winning.
This thread isnt about firing him, it is pointing out that wont happen, in fact all pressure is now off JG for the next few years.
all he has to do is make the playoffs , have a winning record, and he looks good.
The process will go on and on.

To me JG had a SB team in 2014 and 2016 and could not get past div round and GB.
Should have won SB both of those years.

Gots to say No on that bro!
Unless your Irwin Rommel mind(like mine) would've fielded T.R. into the line up as soon as he was cleared (for this last leg cramp in the swim competition event) but 2014? ,, I watched both those games,,, ?

 

[Hoofbite]

Ok I cant say that JG masterminded all this, but he may have.
First get rid of Romo, that started last year by not letting Romo come back or play, JG was involved in that.
Now not resigning many players on defense and offense.

So now with 2nd year QB, and many new players on defense, and some on offense, JG will not be
expected to go to SB.

Why not? I don't see any of the players they have lost as irreplaceable and Dak being in his 2nd year is only relevant in that he has 1 year more experience than he had last year. He wasn't expected to go to the SB last year an they had the second best record in the NFL.

Any team that has a #1 seed should be expected to compete the following year, barring catastrophe.

Had they kept Romo as starter, and resigned more players, he would then be expected to win it all.

But now as things have turned out who expects a SB run this year ?
Would JG have good excuse for not winning in playoffs in 2017?

I think all this extends the "process" and JG for many more years

It shouldn't by itself. If he keeps the team in contention, he should be kept around. If not, then it's time to find another coach. The "process" can't be indefinite in the NFL. Player's careers are not indefinite, and he's already wasted some of the best QB play the team has ever had. Entering the 7th full year of his leadership, it's time to start reaping the rewards of sticking to the process. If he struggles to keep the team in contention, what else is there? He has had plenty of time to build the team to his vision. A leap-year frequency of successful seasons isn't going to cut it.

 

[DandyDon52]

He's rebuilt the offense to one of the league's best, has the core of it locked up long term except for Martin, and just this past season developed a new franchise QB for the club.

As Sports Illustrated's Jonathan Jones noted: "He went from 4-12 to 13-3 in a year with a meddlesome and controversy-starting owner, a rookie quarterback, a rookie running back, a decent defense—all while dealing with benching a franchise quarterback."

He needs to do better on defense but given the lack of assets assigned there that is still a WIP.

Some people are just intractable no matter how much you rub their nose in it.

just this past season developed a new franchise QB for the club. ......lol So we owe JG for Dak being a good QB ???
Dak would have been the 3rd stringer, probably not playing at all, if not for the injury's to kellen and tony.
Dak developed himself, I think he realized as soon as he was drafted, that if tony got hurt and kellen didnt do well he could
take the job, so went all out preparing himself. He is a self starter who worked very hard to be ready for the chance if it came.
In no way was he a typical rookie QB.

He went from 4-12 to 13-3....... this is misleading, because everyone knew dallas was not the typical 4-12 team,
and everyone knew if romo could avoid injury they would be 11-5 or better the next year.

a rookie running back....... lol again, he was the # 4 overall pick, off a championship team, everyone knew he would be good.
again not a typical rookie.

He's rebuilt the offense to one of the league's best.......they have had a good offense every year, just better once they
decided to run more with murray in 2014. Then they tried it with 2 regular backs, didnt work so good, so they got elliot.
And you cant credit JG with building, or fault him , as it is a group that is doing it. The jones boys, McClay, JG, and input from OC and DC.
I will add they started with the run more after JG was replaced as OC.

And let me say JG isnt the worse coach, there are others he is better than, and he has gotten better, but he just lacks
certain things. He doesnt do well with clock mgmt, or in pressure situations.
The team is never ready after a bye, and game plans are often questionable.

His mantra is "fight" and his teams do fight, so maybe he should print up some "WIN" T shirts ??
Or even better "win in the playoffs" or "win the div round" shirts.

 

[DandyDon52]

Why not? I don't see any of the players they have lost as irreplaceable and Dak being in his 2nd year is only relevant in that he has 1 year more experience than he had last year. He wasn't expected to go to the SB last year an they had the second best record in the NFL.

Any team that has a #1 seed should be expected to compete the following year, barring catastrophe.



It shouldn't by itself. If he keeps the team in contention, he should be kept around. If not, then it's time to find another coach. The "process" can't be indefinite in the NFL. Player's careers are not indefinite, and he's already wasted some of the best QB play the team has ever had. Entering the 7th full year of his leadership, it's time to start reaping the rewards of sticking to the process. If he struggles to keep the team in contention, what else is there? He has had plenty of time to build the team to his vision. A leap-year frequency of successful seasons isn't going to cut it.

Well that is your view, but many have already said all they expect in 2017 is a playoff appearance, some want to get past div round.
Which means into the nfc champ game.
Wait and see what excuses are given at end of this coming season.

We dont know yet which players will leave, and who we will get to replace them , so hard to speculate at this point, but
The more players that leave the better the excuse for not winning in playoffs is.
And Dak should and could be better this year, but if he has a slump it is ok and another excuse.

I think they make the playoffs again, but
being top seed again.....no
winning div again........60/40 that they do, although it has been awhile since a east team won 2 in a row.
winning 11 in a row again........no
13-3 or better again ? doubtful but possible

JG said last year that it was the last year for "this team" meaning this group of players, so he knew about some of what is
happening now.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

just this past season developed a new franchise QB for the club. ......lol So we owe JG for Dak being a good QB ???
Dak would have been the 3rd stringer, probably not playing at all, if not for the injury's to kellen and tony.
Dak developed himself, I think he realized as soon as he was drafted, that if tony got hurt and kellen didnt do well he could
take the job, so went all out preparing himself. He is a self starter who worked very hard to be ready for the chance if it came.
In no way was he a typical rookie QB.

He went from 4-12 to 13-3....... this is misleading, because everyone knew dallas was not the typical 4-12 team,
and everyone knew if romo could avoid injury they would be 11-5 or better the next year.

a rookie running back....... lol again, he was the # 4 overall pick, off a championship team, everyone knew he would be good.
again not a typical rookie.

He's rebuilt the offense to one of the league's best.......they have had a good offense every year, just better once they
decided to run more with murray in 2014. Then they tried it with 2 regular backs, didnt work so good, so they got elliot.
And you cant credit JG with building, or fault him , as it is a group that is doing it. The jones boys, McClay, JG, and input from OC and DC.
I will add they started with the run more after JG was replaced as OC.

And let me say JG isnt the worse coach, there are others he is better than, and he has gotten better, but he just lacks
certain things. He doesnt do well with clock mgmt, or in pressure situations.
The team is never ready after a bye, and game plans are often questionable.

His mantra is "fight" and his teams do fight, so maybe he should print up some "WIN" T shirts ??
Or even better "win in the playoffs" or "win the div round" shirts.

You left out the part where they took a fourth round rookie who had never operated under center and had him perform the best a quarterback has ever performed in NFL history. You left out the part where they Wally Pipp'd the starter.

He turned an absolute disaster in the injury to Romo and turned it into an outstanding season.

This notion that Dak developed himself is ignorant. Dak himself persistently gave Garrett and his staff credit. And you are absolutely right about him not being the usual rookie. He was a 4th rounder who was projected to be inaccurate and have poor mechanics, exactly what coaches work with players on.

You forget that he is the coach of the entire team. If the 4-12 team was not your 'usual' 4 win team then he gets credit for that too. I bet your reasoning doesn't stop you from criticizing him for that season either.

High picks fail frequently. Zeke still had the second best rookie rushing performance in history in the most pass happy era ever.

They did not used to have a good offense year after year. They used to struggle to score points until Garrett focused on developing the offensive line and running game. It was his leadership that saw them start running the ball more which you just flip as inconsequential.

This notion that the offense was good when they were trotting out Livings, Nagy, Kowalski, Cook, Costa, or the corpse of Kosier, Jones, Austin, and Barber is laughable. Romo had to run for his life and got pummelled and we could not run the ball. Romo's ability and Garrett's stubbornness got them to 8-8.

Garrett hasn't made a clock management gaffe in 3 years. He is clearly schooled himself repeatedly on scenarios and has efficiently used timeouts. I'm sure your brain thinks the spike was a bad move but if you actually study the scenario and evaluate the probabilities, it was not a mistake.

The best rookie class in over a decade is entering its second year. They are going to improve greatly as all NFL players do in their second year on average. They have an excellent player development staff to help them out led by Jason Garrett. Doubt them if it makes you feel better.

 

[waving monkey]

I'm pissed we are not going all in. We just had homefield with a 2 rookies for crying out loud! We are right there. But we have no money because of mismanagement of the cap.

you know the Cowboys and their MO,but your pissed?

 

[Melonfeud]

I had checked out the challenge flag % 's on the NFL reference chart and Garrett ( compared to other coaches in the league)does have an above average knack when tossing his 'red' onto the field in getting the officiating staff to reverse their calls, he won 14 out of the 20+(21 or 24 times,I forget) times he's ever blatantly tossed off his 'red' on the field,, So I reckon that's an upside .

 

[waving monkey]

This is from the thread

• What would you consider a success and a failure next year

Dak is longterm.

Playoffs = success

No playoffs = failure

See so just make playoffs, and avg fan is happy , media cant say much either .
one poster said a bad year from dak would be ok lol.
JG just ensured another 3 years here, with no pressure to win a SB.
In 2020 there will be some pressure to win a SB, but it just depends on what happens between now and then.

And COTY is a meaningless award . it is also just for regular season.

No Romo means no pressure for JG. add in the other players we lose in near future, and even less pressure.

The awards given to Garrett come from various organizations whose business is sports. These folks disagree with your
smear camphaign. As many others throughout the NFL. Look back through those given the awards.

Romo means no pressure for JG. add in the other players we lose in near future, and even less pressure.[/QUOTE
Leting Romo go has been discussed here adnausum. This is peevish and petulant. It's really a new low even for you.

 

[waving monkey]

I agree with you.

I just like to express my disdain for the man at every opportunity that seems fitting.

nothing petty about you or your fanship

 

[waving monkey]

,,er,,,OK as only a fool argues facts, on the win /lose aspect yer' rounding home plate thanks to the fight and spirit attributed solely to T.R. holding 8-8 seasons x 3,,, but the facts of a 'clean hands, ivy league, perceived privileged panty waist professional BACK THE **** UP QUARTER BACK ' to be a 'coach' is insulting.

child

just this past season developed a new franchise QB for the club. ......lol So we owe JG for Dak being a good QB ???
Dak would have been the 3rd stringer, probably not playing at all, if not for the injury's to kellen and tony.
Dak developed himself, I think he realized as soon as he was drafted, that if tony got hurt and kellen didnt do well he could
take the job, so went all out preparing himself. He is a self starter who worked very hard to be ready for the chance if it came.
In no way was he a typical rookie QB.

He went from 4-12 to 13-3....... this is misleading, because everyone knew dallas was not the typical 4-12 team,
and everyone knew if romo could avoid injury they would be 11-5 or better the next year.

a rookie running back....... lol again, he was the # 4 overall pick, off a championship team, everyone knew he would be good.
again not a typical rookie.

He's rebuilt the offense to one of the league's best.......they have had a good offense every year, just better once they
decided to run more with murray in 2014. Then they tried it with 2 regular backs, didnt work so good, so they got elliot.
And you cant credit JG with building, or fault him , as it is a group that is doing it. The jones boys, McClay, JG, and input from OC and DC.
I will add they started with the run more after JG was replaced as OC.

And let me say JG isnt the worse coach, there are others he is better than, and he has gotten better, but he just lacks
certain things. He doesnt do well with clock mgmt, or in pressure situations.
The team is never ready after a bye, and game plans are often questionable.

His mantra is "fight" and his teams do fight, so maybe he should print up some "WIN" T shirts ??
Or even better "win in the playoffs" or "win the div round" shirts.