Garrett Detractors: A dose of reality

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, but that was several years and a few coaches ago.

I am of the opinion that since Parcells left, Jerry Jones has once again gone back to putting himself more and more in charge.

Not that Garrett has no say, but that I don't think he has as much as Parcells did.

Then that is an opinion not a fact. I know what those who have worked for Jerry have said and those who do not even know Jerry Jones have said so excuse me if I go by those who know and who have worked for him. Sorry but when a fan says no HC would work for him? Based on what your opinion? heck you don't know how things operate how Jerry works with them no you have your own biased opinion. So I can go by what those who do know Jerry and have worked with Jerry have said as a more reliable fact

 

[TwoDeep3]

But those of you calling for his head should take a step back and be realistic just for a second. We could do worse......

This argument males no sense at all.

Hey, I bought a car that needs a major overhaul, has three flat tires that need replacement, and the radio doesn't work.

But it could be worse.

I could also have a transmission that isn't working.

So I should be happy?

Garrett hasn't shown in seven years he is a head coach. He was given the job by the man whose name is on his birth certificate and Mr. X.

8-8 repeatedly is NFL HEL. You are not good enough to do anything, and even get into the play-offs. And you are not bad enough to draft at the top of the rounds where the talent resides.

You are in Mediocreville.

Mediocreville

Sittin on 8-8
Watchin the 9ers take
That trophy I wanted all along
The Eagles are makin
The play-offs once again
I have to sit her and keep my mind strong

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a LB that covers the seam
Some people say that The Redhead's to blame
But I say, it's the GM's fault

Don't know the reason
Romo was hot all season
Nothing to show but his herniated spine
But January is chilly
My Gosh, please not Philly
If they win I'll drink some strychnine

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a guard that blocks the A gap
Some people say that it's Romo to blame
But I know, it's the GM's fault

I hear there's a process
But it leaves such a big mess
Jerry thinks he's been coach all along
But he's nearin' seventy
Not much more longevity
That notion is what helps me hang on

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a saftey that reminds me of Woody
Some people say that it's parity to blame
But we all know, it's the GM's fault
Yes, some people say that it's only a game
But we know, it's Jerry's damn fault

 

[CowboyGil]

Man, where's the popcorn eating smiley when you need it???

 

[Stash]

Then that is an opinion not a fact. I know what those who have worked for Jerry have said and those who do not even know Jerry Jones have said so excuse me if I go by those who know and who have worked for him. Sorry but when a fan says no HC would work for him? Based on what your opinion? heck you don't know how things operate how Jerry works with them no you have your own biased opinion. So I can go by what those who do know Jerry and have worked with Jerry have said as a more reliable fact

That's fine by me.

As I said, it's something which cannot be conclusively proven either way, therefore there is no point in debating it.

If Garrett is fired, and a marquee name like Gruden or Cowher is hired, I will gladly eat crow.

But if it's more of the same, it will serve to reaffirm my opinion.

 

[Stash]

This argument males no sense at all.

Hey, I bought a car that needs a major overhaul, has three flat tires that need replacement, and the radio doesn't work.

But it could be worse.

I could also have a transmission that isn't working.

So I should be happy?

Garrett hasn't shown in seven years he is a head coach. He was given the job by the man whose name is on his birth certificate and Mr. X.

8-8 repeatedly is NFL HEL. You are not good enough to do anything, and even get into the play-offs. And you are not bad enough to draft at the top of the rounds where the talent resides.

You are in Mediocreville.

Mediocreville

Sittin on 8-8
Watchin the 9ers take
That trophy I wanted all along
The Eagles are makin
The play-offs once again
I have to sit her and keep my mind strong

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a LB that covers the seam
Some people say that The Redhead's to blame
But I say, it's the GM's fault

Don't know the reason
Romo was hot all season
Nothing to show but his herniated spine
But January is chilly
My Gosh, please not Philly
If they win I'll drink some strychnine

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a guard that blocks the A gap
Some people say that it's Romo to blame
But I know, it's the GM's fault

I hear there's a process
But it leaves such a big mess
Jerry thinks he's been coach all along
But he's nearin' seventy
Not much more longevity
That notion is what helps me hang on

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a saftey that reminds me of Woody
Some people say that it's parity to blame
But we all know, it's the GM's fault
Yes, some people say that it's only a game
But we know, it's Jerry's damn fault

That was awesome.

Well done sir!

 

[Alexander]

If Garrett is fired, and a marquee name like Gruden or Cowher is hired, I will gladly eat crow..

I do not believe Gruden or Cowher is going through a very messy and costly divorce, nor does Jerry Jones need to fund a stadium.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's fine by me.

As I said, it's something which cannot be conclusively proven either way, therefore there is no point in debating it.

If Garrett is fired, and a marquee name like Gruden or Cowher is hired, I will gladly eat crow.

But if it's more of the same, it will serve to reaffirm my opinion.

It can be proven by those who have worked for him. I do think BP is right and there is a lot of misconception about jerry jones. Does that take him off the hook? NO but to claim other coaches would not want to work for him or that somehow all Jerry coaches are puppets are being claimed by those who do not know Jerry or how they operate. What a fan knows but people who have acutally worked for him don't? LOL

 

[khiladi]

Many of you are calling for Garrett's head on a stick. I'm not defending him. I'm not even sure he is the right man for the job. I am sick and tired about hearing his "process" bull**** like many other posters on the website. But those of you calling for his head should take a step back and be realistic just for a second. We could do worse......

In fact we have done worse. Think Chan Gailey. Think "The Mad Poodle" Dave Campo. Many would argue Garrett would be an upgrade over Barry Switzer (But Barry Switzer had a much better feel for when to take a risk than any other Cowboys Coach not named Landry or Johnson.)

Fire Garrett, and find the next Jimmy Johnson? That could happen. But would the smart money be on the fact that the next coach would be more like Jimmy Johnson, or Dave Campo? Be honest with yourself. If you really think Jerry Jones and Company suck as bad as a GM as you think he is what makes you think he is going to hire a better coach than Garrett.

This isn't really my position on the matter .... to the Cowboys' detractors ... I'm just sayin'......

Gailey and Campo are better than Garrett.. I'd rather have them.

 

[dupree89]

I think Coach Jones should just go for it and make it official....he should be the man on the sideline with the headset and running the "show".

 

[rynochop]

Then that is an opinion not a fact. I know what those who have worked for Jerry have said and those who do not even know Jerry Jones have said so excuse me if I go by those who know and who have worked for him. Sorry but when a fan says no HC would work for him? Based on what your opinion? heck you don't know how things operate how Jerry works with them no you have your own biased opinion. So I can go by what those who do know Jerry and have worked with Jerry have said as a more reliable fact

Exactly right...this whole 'that coach would never work for him' is the biggest myth ever. Has any coach ever bad mouthed him? That he was a constant intereferer,etc..? no

 

[Stash]

It can be proven by those who have worked for him. I do think BP is right and there is a lot of misconception about jerry jones. Does that take him off the hook? NO but to claim other coaches would not want to work for him or that somehow all Jerry coaches are puppets are being claimed by those who do not know Jerry or how they operate. What a fan knows but people who have acutally worked for him don't? LOL

What good would it do Parcells to say anything negative publicly about Jerry Jones?

Jerry took great financial care of Parcells after he lost his shirt in a divorce. And you don't bite the hand that feeds ya.

And Parcells wouldn't want to alienate himself from the league and it's owners by openly bad-mouthing one of them. There's nothing to be gained by it.

But if everything was as great as he says, why did he ever leave? And why did he take coaches away with him?

Actions speak louder than words.

Again, we can revisit this subject if and when a coaching change is made.

I would be happy to be wrong about it.

 

[TNCowboy]

I do not believe Gruden or Cowher is going through a very messy and costly divorce, nor does Jerry Jones need to fund a stadium.

Whilst I agree that no way Jones would hire either, and may I add, no way either would work for Jones, that wasn't my post.

 

[khiladi]

Remember when the Rams or Detroit was set on hiring Garrett as HC and then got inundated with phone calls from angry fans.... Man, good times

 

[Stash]

Whilst I agree that no way Jones would hire either, and may I add, no way either would work for Jones, that wasn't my post.

I think it was one of mine, but I can't find it.

 

[Doomsday101]

What good would it do Parcells to say anything negative publicly about Jerry Jones?

Jerry took great financial care of Parcells after he lost his shirt in a divorce. And you don't bite the hand that feeds ya.

And Parcells wouldn't want to alienate himself from the league and it's owners by openly bad-mouthing one of them. There's nothing to be gained by it.

But if everything was as great as he says, why did he ever leave? And why did he take coaches away with him?

Actions speak louder than words.

Again, we can revisit this subject if and when a coaching change is made.

I would be happy to be wrong about it.

BP never had issues about calling out others that he has worked for. Another guy who has said he would work for Jones is Mike Holgren who has a very tight relationship with Jerry.

Why would Parcells leave? same reason he left coaching to begin with, he was getting burned out. The hours he put in the effect it had on him mentally and physically.

 

[khiladi]

Parcells' biggest mistake here was leaving us with Tony Sporano and not Sean Payton. He took Sporano with him to Miami after he went there, which shows where he thought the real talent was. I don't think Parcells gave payton the credit he deserved, which is why Payton proceeded to destroy him that game in his first year as Saints HC. He provided the blueprint to destroy the Cowboys, which was then mimicked by every team. Attack our slow MLB and our defense with screens.

We have Romo because of Payton, point blank. Jerry should have done everything in his power to keep him.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Then one thing left out of all this commentary about any coach would work for Jerry is the common comment by so many people, from Switzer, to Parcels, to Jimmy, to Lacewell, to Brandt and more is this.

Jerry listens and takes in all opinions and then...

...makes his final decision.

It's not that he isn't a nice guy, or gets along well with others.

But Parcels was quoted as saying Jerry listens to too many people.

Yet he makes the final decision, and he says so himself.

You may rewrite it as you like, but Jerry even admits that, and this is where the rubber meets the road.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This argument males no sense at all.

Hey, I bought a car that needs a major overhaul, has three flat tires that need replacement, and the radio doesn't work.

But it could be worse.

I could also have a transmission that isn't working.

So I should be happy?

Garrett hasn't shown in seven years he is a head coach. He was given the job by the man whose name is on his birth certificate and Mr. X.

8-8 repeatedly is NFL HEL. You are not good enough to do anything, and even get into the play-offs. And you are not bad enough to draft at the top of the rounds where the talent resides.

You are in Mediocreville.

Mediocreville

Sittin on 8-8
Watchin the 9ers take
That trophy I wanted all along
The Eagles are makin
The play-offs once again
I have to sit her and keep my mind strong

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a LB that covers the seam
Some people say that The Redhead's to blame
But I say, it's the GM's fault

Don't know the reason
Romo was hot all season
Nothing to show but his herniated spine
But January is chilly
My Gosh, please not Philly
If they win I'll drink some strychnine

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a guard that blocks the A gap
Some people say that it's Romo to blame
But I know, it's the GM's fault

I hear there's a process
But it leaves such a big mess
Jerry thinks he's been coach all along
But he's nearin' seventy
Not much more longevity
That notion is what helps me hang on

Wastin away again in mediocreville
Searchin for a saftey that reminds me of Woody
Some people say that it's parity to blame
But we all know, it's the GM's fault
Yes, some people say that it's only a game
But we know, it's Jerry's damn fault

I wish I didn't like this so much. Good job!

 

[Stash]

BP never had issues about calling out others that he has worked for. Another guy who has said he would work for Jones is Mike Holgren who has a very tight relationship with Jerry.

After Cleveland, do you still consider Holmgren a quality hire?

I do not.

 

[Stash]

Parcells' biggest mistake here was leaving us with Tony Sporano and not Sean Payton. He took Sporano with him to Miami after he went there, which shows where he thought the real talent was. I don't think Parcells gave payton the credit he deserved, which is why Payton proceeded to destroy him that game in his first year as Saints HC. He provided the blueprint to destroy the Cowboys, which was then mimicked by every team. Attack our slow MLB and our defense with screens.

We have Romo because of Payton, point blank. Jerry should have done everything in his power to keep him.

I felt that near the end if his coaching run that Parcells had grown too conservative and therefore the game had passed him by.

Everything always had to be 'reigned in'.

I felt that stifled innovation and creativity on both sides of the ball.