Garrett interview with Dak

[visionary]

They covered that in the article. I came away with the opposite conclusion: the fact that they had other guys graded higher isn't what's important. It's the fact that they thought enough of him to dedicated the resources to trying to develop him at all is what matters. And a lot of the reason they did that had to do with how he handles himself. We're now seeing that pay off, just faster than anybody ever expected.

That decision making process was so sound that they thought Cook and Hacjenberg were better QBs than Dak

Yep, that is a real solid 'process' lol

 

[visionary]

I'm tired of the narrative that Dallas "lucked" into Dak. ESPN just posted an article from Shefter on how Dallas repeatedly passed up on Dak. To me this is all pure BS. No one ever says NE was lucky because to get Brady. How that if NE was such a great scouting team, why they passed up on Brady until the 6th? How if Belichick was such a great coach how come he waited til Bledsoe getting injured to play Brady?

Fact is, national media (and many fans) have hitched their wagon to the incompetence of Jerry Jones and the Dallas FO, and for good reason. The problem is now, however, they can't get off that narrative when they make good decisions due to pure stubbornness. God forbid national pundits admit when their wrong. So, Jerry Jones "lucked" into Romo and "lucked" into Dak. Jason Garrett was forced into playing Dak because both his QB's got hurt. Was their luck involved, hell yeah. But there was also luck involved in Brady in NE, and Rodgers in GB, etc. etc. Just be consistent, don't come with so and so franchise is great and Jerry Jones/Jason Garrett just got lucky.

The truth hurts sometimes

Grow up

 

[aikemirv]

That decision making process was so sound that they thought Cook and Hacjenberg were better QBs than Dak

Yep, that is a real solid 'process' lol

Consensus of 32 NFL teams - go figure.

 

[visionary]

Consensus of 32 NFL teams - go figure.

But 32 other teams are not being given "credit" for a great process by their blind fans

The fact is that we completely lucked into Dak

That is a fact and denying it will not make it wrong

If anything this should tell us how flawed and inaccurate our QB assessment is that we almost missed out on a franchise QB

Heads should roll

 

[Doomsday101]

But 32 other teams are not being given "credit" for a great process by their blind fans

The fact is that we completely lucked into Dak

That is a fact and denying it will not make it wrong

If anything this should tell us how flawed and inaccurate our QB assessment is that we almost missed out on a franchise QB

Heads should roll

So pretty much after the 1st rd teams are lucking into players? Dallas rated him around the 4th rd other teams had him rated later and some did not give him a second thought. Dallas did their homework on Dak and while there were things that they may not have liked from what they saw at the combine and his pro day work there was still some things they liked, enough so that they drafted him when others didn't. If that is luck then same can be said for every team out there

 

[aikemirv]

So pretty much after the 1st rd teams are lucking into players? Dallas rated him around the 4th rd other teams had him rated later and some did not give him a second thought. Dallas did their homework on Dak and while there were things that they may not have liked from what they saw at the combine and his pro day work there was still some things they liked, enough so that they drafted him when others didn't. If that is luck then same can be said for every team out there

Yep, if the Cowboys lucked into Dak, then the draft is all luck! You can say that about every player drafted after the 2nd round that did well throughout history. One team had him rated higher than somebody else or was in a better draft position in that round to get him. It is not luck - it is the way the draft and scouting works.

 

[sean10mm]

There's always an element of luck with these things, short of having #1 overall and one totally elite choice on the board. Even then you can talk yourself into dumb crap anyway.

The Cowboys had Dak higher than anybody else apparently, so in that respect they had the best evaluation of the entire NFL. That's as good as it gets, even if in theory they should have taken him sooner based on how he ultimately seems to have turned out.

Brady is a funny case because the Pats had 0 need for Brady (they had their starter and were up to their armpits in backup QBs already), but they graded him higher than everyone else and at some point just HAD TO take him. They did't see a future Hall of Famer but they DID see more than everyone else did, and that's enough.

 

[aikemirv]

But 32 other teams are not being given "credit" for a great process by their blind fans

The fact is that we completely lucked into Dak

That is a fact and denying it will not make it wrong

If anything this should tell us how flawed and inaccurate our QB assessment is that we almost missed out on a franchise QB

Heads should roll

So if heads should roll, who are you going to replace them with, 31 other teams heads should be rolling too!

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep, if the Cowboys lucked into Dak, then the draft is all luck! You can say that about every player drafted after the 2nd round that did well throughout history. One team had him rated higher than somebody else or was in a better draft position in that round to get him. It is not luck - it is the way the draft and scouting works.

Of course. Brady was a 6th rd pick but in the end Pats did enough home work on the guy they were willing to use a pick to get him. Is there some luck? sure but there is a lot of work involved which is why the scouts and coaches spend so much time dealing with the different prospects and trying to grade them for their draft board. Dak did not over whelm scouts at the Combines or at his pro day. It seems the interview process played a big part in Dallas using their 4th on Dak where as his raw skills did not knock them off their feet.

 

[DFWJC]

There was reports Dallas was drafting Dak even if they got Lynch or Cook

I heard that too

 

[visionary]

So pretty much after the 1st rd teams are lucking into players? Dallas rated him around the 4th rd other teams had him rated later and some did not give him a second thought. Dallas did their homework on Dak and while there were things that they may not have liked from what they saw at the combine and his pro day work there was still some things they liked, enough so that they drafted him when others didn't. If that is luck then same can be said for every team out there

Now don't try to deflect

Any team that ends up with a franchise QB after rds 1/2 are lucking into him because by definition if that team thought he was s franchise QB they would never let him get by them in the first 2 rounds

 

[visionary]

So if heads should roll, who are you going to replace them with, 31 other teams heads should be rolling too!

We are talking about the Cowboys
31 other teams blind fans are not saying how great their teams QB evaluation process is by pointing to a QB they picked in Rd 4

Try to pay attention

 

[Doomsday101]

Now don't try to deflect

Any team that ends up with a franchise QB after rds 1/2 are lucking into him because by definition if that team thought he was s franchise QB they would never let him get by them in the first 2 rounds

Not trying to deflect anything By definition? lol whose definition? 31 other teams could have drafted him or Dallas could have passed and went a different direction. They spent time and resources on seeing these players and talking with these players and the vast majority are not guys they would likely take in the 1st 2 rds. In the end no team out there knows exactly how any of their draft picks will do be it a 1st rd pick or a 7th rd pick.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

They got lucky. Plain and simple. All his pre-draft stuff made everyone shy away from him. And his workouts were awful. If they were so high on him why did they wait to the 4th? Because they had the same reservations everyone else did. He's been good so far, for a rookie. I truly hope he continues to play this way and the yips don't show up. Because if so, Dallas will be in a good spot to shore up the Defense financially.

Every team has good and ill fortune in the draft. Yes.

 

[aikemirv]

We are talking about the Cowboys
31 other teams blind fans are not saying how great their teams QB evaluation process is by pointing to a QB they picked in Rd 4

Try to pay attention

No, we are talking about a process that all teams go through every year. How can you knock the Cowboys when in this case they were better than 31 other teams?

Does it mean that they don't learn from it, no, but it does not mean that their scouts and process stink!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

But 32 other teams are not being given "credit" for a great process by their blind fans

The fact is that we completely lucked into Dak

That is a fact and denying it will not make it wrong

If anything this should tell us how flawed and inaccurate our QB assessment is that we almost missed out on a franchise QB

Heads should roll

Yes. Let's chop off the head of every NFL GM.

The natural conclusion based on your silly logic.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Thanks for posting @Doomsday101. Great stuff. Best part for me:

Garrett kept pressing, and now it was getting uncomfortable.

"What the heck were you thinking? What would we be getting here?"

Prescott kept his cool, as he might while trying to bring his team back from a fourth-quarter deficit.

"I don't know what else you want me to say," he told Garrett. "This is what happened. I'm completely accountable for it. It's not going to happen again."

That was enough.

"He was so mature and matter-of-fact," Garrett said. "He handled it so well. It was a very important part of our evaluation of him."

Kid has some huge King Kong stones.

 

[visionary]

Not trying to deflect anything By definition? lol whose definition? 31 other teams could have drafted him or Dallas could have passed and went a different direction. They spent time and resources on seeing these players and talking with these players and the vast majority are not guys they would likely take in the 1st 2 rds. In the end no team out there knows exactly how any of their draft picks will do be it a 1st rd pick or a 7th rd pick.

Either the Cowboys evaluation process is not great and they did not think Dak was a franchise QB and lucked into him

Or

The Cowboys have a great and accurate QB evaluation process and knew Dak was a franchise QB but stupidly decided to wait until the end of Rd 4 to pick him up

Take your pick and don't try to squirm your way out of it

 

[aikemirv]

Either the Cowboys evaluation process is not great and they did not think Dak was a franchise QB and lucked into him

Or

The Cowboys have a great and accurate QB evaluation process and knew Dak was a franchise QB but stupidly decided to wait until the end of Rd 4 to pick him up

Take your pick and don't try to squirm your way out of it

You forgot an option:

Dallas has a better QB evaluation process than 31 other teams!

So honestly what was your expectation - that they saw him as what he was and used the 4th pick on him?

 

[Idgit]

That decision making process was so sound that they thought Cook and Hacjenberg were better QBs than Dak

Yep, that is a real solid 'process' lol

I don't think most people expect a team to see into the future when projecting players. The goal is to find the guys you want to spend the time developing. If Dak's on that shortlist ahead of where he was on the shortlists of other QB needy teams, the Cowboys are the last team's process you should be faulting. Assuming, of course, you had any interest in being objective about the team you follow.

You just keep saying stuff that reinforces how apt your username is

Good one!