Garrett is now 13-4

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I just do not understand his thinking, why allow Mcfadden to run out of bounds, then immediately score on the next play? Completely inept play calling...

You hav got to be kidding me! How is it Garrett's fault DMC ran out of bounds? I am sure he has been taught not to do that, probably in high school, but he did it anyway. Dumb McFadden is not Garrett's fault.

And maybe you would have preferred they don't score when It is available? Let's just fall down until 15 seconds are left the walk in!

Hating Garrett is one thing, but making stuff up to blame on him is just silly.
 

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And attempt to rationalize Jason's blunder at the end of the game is comical. If he told McFadden to go down and STRESSED it, McFadden would have known it. It's clear he didn't.

Dallas played it like they thought the Commanders would stop it. They had no TOs left. Dallas could have had Cassell down the ball until fourth down to kick it. They controlled everything at that point.

The McFadden sideline run happens all the time in the NFL, particularly if your running to the outside. You also play the possibility that you'll get knocked out of bounds. That may be a stupid mistake but it happens and we still were playing to get closer for the kick, otherwise even then you run it up the gut.
 

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You hav got to be kidding me! How is it Garrett's fault DMC ran out of bounds?

If Garrett isn't calling plays on offense or defense, then what other job does he really have than to make sure his players are aware of critical game situations?

I'm not a Garrett hater (though I certainly don't love the man), but if you don't think it's his job to grab DMC by the facemask and tell him, "Stay in bounds!" there, then what exactly is his job on game day?
 

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We've had an issue playing at home. In particular, our defense is terrible at home. And has been that way since the Parcells era. It's almost a night and day difference.

On offense, we tend to run more hot and cold at home. We're often extremely good at home or very bad.

Garrett built up a lot of credit with me in 2014. But he's almost done a complete 180 this season and I'm at the point now where I still have major question marks about him as the future coach of this team. Even last night...we couldn't be bothered to try and create a mismatch for Dez and couldn't figure out when the Skins were using single coverage to throw it to Dez deep. And this on a guy whom they had been saying had a great week of practice.

Between the lack of ingenuity on offense, the fact that this team can't stay healthy and we have no idea if he can develop the future franchise QB, that's more than enough to be concerned about Garrett as our HC.







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We've had an issue playing at home. In particular, our defense is terrible at home. And has been that way since the Parcells era. It's almost a night and day difference.

On offense, we tend to run more hot and cold at home. We're often extremely good at home or very bad.

Garrett built up a lot of credit with me in 2014. But he's almost done a complete 180 this season and I'm at the point now where I still have major question marks about him as the future coach of this team. Even last night...we couldn't be bothered to try and create a mismatch for Dez and couldn't figure out when the Skins were using single coverage to throw it to Dez deep. And this on a guy whom they had been saying had a great week of practice.

Between the lack of ingenuity on offense, the fact that this team can't stay healthy and we have no idea if he can develop the future franchise QB, that's more than enough to be concerned about Garrett as our HC.







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You hav got to be kidding me! How is it Garrett's fault DMC ran out of bounds? I am sure he has been taught not to do that, probably in high school, but he did it anyway. Dumb McFadden is not Garrett's fault.

And maybe you would have preferred they don't score when It is available? Let's just fall down until 15 seconds are left the walk in!

Hating Garrett is one thing, but making stuff up to blame on him is just silly.

Of course I'm blaming Garrett he is the head coach, Linehan called the play correct? Stretch play to the left.

There was about 1:26 (I believe) left on the clock Washington had two timeouts.

How are you going to win?

You are going to run the clock down as much as possible, You run the ball up the gut; now Washington has to call a timeout there is now 1:22 left on the clock. You run the ball again and again Washington calls a timeout their last timeout, so now there is 1:18 on the clock. It is third down, you run the last play up the gut and you take off 10 seconds (conservatively) now you are down to 1:08, then the play clock runs another 40 seconds after which you call a timeout; then kick the chip shot field goal, Washington has about 28 seconds left. Assuming Bailey kicks the ball into the endzone for a touch back Washington has to go 40 yards in 28 seconds with no timeouts to try and tie the game.

So this is what the Cowboys did; they run a stretch play to the left with 1:26 to play. The runner for some unknown reason runs out of bounds, now there is 1:19 left on the clock Washington still has both timeouts. The very next play the runner scores a touchdown. Washington still has two timeouts;

Mcfadden first of all should not have run out of bounds. He should have been told to stay inbounds (Garrett should have told him or at least made it clear that he was not to go out of bounds). Better yet they should not have run that idiotic stretch play.

Then Mcfadden goes into score, the Cowboys do not need a touchdown, he should have fallen at the two and gotten the first down and not scored. It made no sense to score at that point.

They ended up leaving 1:06 on the clock after the return because for some reason they like to kick the ball short (which I still don't understand).

That whole series was a disaster because Washington was able to score, obviously. I don't know how anyone who has ever watched football at any level can say that this was a good job by the Cowboys. That series almost cost the Cowboys the game and if they didn't win I believe it could have cost Garrett his job in the off-season.

Agree, disagree, it is what it is...
 
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Of course I'm blaming Garrett he is the head coach, Linehan called the play correct? Stretch play to the left.

There was about 1:26 (I believe) left on the clock Washington had two timeouts.

How are you going to win?

You are going to run the clock down as much as possible, You run the ball up the gut; now Washington has to call a timeout there is now 1:22 left on the clock. You run the ball again and again Washington calls a timeout their last timeout, so now there is 1:18 on the clock. It is third down, you run the last play up the gut and you take off 10 seconds (conservatively) now you are down to 1:08, then the play clock runs another 40 seconds after which you call a timeout; then kick the chip shot field goal, Washington has about 28 seconds left. Assuming Bailey kicks the ball into the endzone for a touch back Washington has to go 40 yards in 28 seconds with no timeouts to try and tie the game.

So this is what the Cowboys did; they run a stretch play to the left with 1:26 to play. The runner for some unknown reason runs out of bounds, now there is 1:19 left on the clock Washington still has both timeouts. The very next play the runner scores a touchdown. Washington still has two timeouts;

Mcfadden first of all should not have run out of bounds. He should have been told to stay inbounds (Garrett should have told him or at least made it clear that he was not to go out of bounds). Better yet they should not have run that idiotic stretch play.

Then Mcfadden goes into score, the Cowboys do not need a touchdown, he should have fallen at the two and gotten the first down and not scored. It made no sense to score at that point.

They ended up leaving 1:06 on the clock after the return because for some reason they like to kick the ball short (which I still don't understand).

That whole series was a disaster because Washington was able to score, obviously. I don't know how anyone who has ever watched football at any level can say that this was a good job by the Cowboys. That series almost cost the Cowboys the game and if they didn't win I believe it could have cost Garrett his job in the off-season.

Agree, disagree, it is what it is...

Agree. The running out of bounds was a joke. Basic NFL protocol. Inexcusable. What I am struggling with is scoring the TD. The best thing to do was to go down before crossing the goal line. I think it is alot to ask of any football player to not continue on and score. His whole football life he is programmed to cross the goal line. His first goal was to get the first down, and now he is asked to slam on the brakes and go down before scoring in a split second with guys hanging all over you in the space of a few yards. It's maybe a little different if its a long run or pass and the guy has a little time to think about it. I am leaning towards giving DMC a pass on the score.
 

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Garrett isn't the only coach to bawl in front of his players. Parcells cried after the his first Cowboys win (because it was against the Giants). Landry reportedly cried after a playoff game. Not sure about Belichick - probably too busy cheating.

Garrett shouldn't be compared to those HCs, at all.
 

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It is 100% Garrett's fault for not having his team ready for that situation and having everyone understand you don't go out of bounds and you don't score the TD in that situation. Average fans that never played the game can figure out in two seconds that if they got the first down, they could take the clock down to 10 seconds with three kneel downs and have Bailey hit a chip shot for the win. That is what every other team does in that situation but just like not punting on 4th down against Miami with a minute to go, Garrett has no clue how to close out games. He consistently gives the other team another chance to tie or win when he doesn't need to. He apparently does not have the ability to assess end of game situations and figure out the best path to victory. He seems to treat the last minute the same as the first minute which will can destroy a team.

And you know Garrett told McFadden to run out of bounds and score a TD. I think you just hate Garrett and blame him for anything you can.

Ray Charles could see that McFadden ran out of bounds. Had nothing to do with Garrett.

Damn some of you guys with an agenda says some of the off the wall stuff. These people you can't carry a conversation with cause they aren't using their brain
 

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And not surprisingly, we have yet to see a single poster enter this thread and actually give Garrett credit for the team's road success against rivals.

And yet all that "success" has yielded one single playoff appearance in 5 seasons. Means his home record against said divisional opponents cancels it out. How hard is that to understand?
 

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And yet all that "success" has yielded one single playoff appearance in 5 seasons. Means his home record against said divisional opponents cancels it out. How hard is that to understand?

The point went so far over your head it's not worth trying to explain.
 

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Agree. The running out of bounds was a joke. Basic NFL protocol. Inexcusable. What I am struggling with is scoring the TD. The best thing to do was to go down before crossing the goal line. I think it is alot to ask of any football player to not continue on and score. His whole football life he is programmed to cross the goal line. His first goal was to get the first down, and now he is asked to slam on the brakes and go down before scoring in a split second with guys hanging all over you in the space of a few yards. It's maybe a little different if its a long run or pass and the guy has a little time to think about it. I am leaning towards giving DMC a pass on the score.

Go down before crossing the goal line? Are you kidding me? What if they hadn't scored on succeeding plays?
Of course I'm blaming Garrett he is the head coach, Linehan called the play correct? Stretch play to the left.

There was about 1:26 (I believe) left on the clock Washington had two timeouts.

How are you going to win?

You are going to run the clock down as much as possible, You run the ball up the gut; now Washington has to call a timeout there is now 1:22 left on the clock. You run the ball again and again Washington calls a timeout their last timeout, so now there is 1:18 on the clock. It is third down, you run the last play up the gut and you take off 10 seconds (conservatively) now you are down to 1:08, then the play clock runs another 40 seconds after which you call a timeout; then kick the chip shot field goal, Washington has about 28 seconds left. Assuming Bailey kicks the ball into the endzone for a touch back Washington has to go 40 yards in 28 seconds with no timeouts to try and tie the game.

So this is what the Cowboys did; they run a stretch play to the left with 1:26 to play. The runner for some unknown reason runs out of bounds, now there is 1:19 left on the clock Washington still has both timeouts. The very next play the runner scores a touchdown. Washington still has two timeouts;

Mcfadden first of all should not have run out of bounds. He should have been told to stay inbounds (Garrett should have told him or at least made it clear that he was not to go out of bounds). Better yet they should not have run that idiotic stretch play.

Then Mcfadden goes into score, the Cowboys do not need a touchdown, he should have fallen at the two and gotten the first down and not scored. It made no sense to score at that point.

They ended up leaving 1:06 on the clock after the return because for some reason they like to kick the ball short (which I still don't understand).

That whole series was a disaster because Washington was able to score, obviously. I don't know how anyone who has ever watched football at any level can say that this was a good job by the Cowboys. That series almost cost the Cowboys the game and if they didn't win I believe it could have cost Garrett his job in the off-season.

Agree, disagree, it is what it is...

And if they fail to score on succeeding plays then they are blamed for not scoring. Sometimes I think folks play too much Madden to understand the real game.
 

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If Garrett isn't calling plays on offense or defense, then what other job does he really have than to make sure his players are aware of critical game situations?

I'm not a Garrett hater (though I certainly don't love the man), but if you don't think it's his job to grab DMC by the facemask and tell him, "Stay in bounds!" there, then what exactly is his job on game day?

And if DMC does something dumb despite being told not to do it, that is a reflection on the play calling? They won the game, quit looking for reasons to rag on the team.
 

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And if DMC does something dumb despite being told not to do it, that is a reflection on the play calling? They won the game, quit looking for reasons to rag on the team.

Please, be a grown up. I'm not looking for anything, the idea that bringing up the fact that your starting RB ran out of bounds when it was critical to stay in bounds doesn't mean I'm making up excuses to be critical, we're not talking about a team with a winning record here, this stuff matters.
 

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Not at all. I'd love to hear your explanation for being better on the road then at home. This is two years straight of this.

In what world are the fans and building more responsible for a team's performance than the the staff and players of said team? That's ridiculous.
 

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In what world are the fans and building more responsible for a team's performance than the the staff and players of said team? That's ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all. When you don't have home field advantage you don't think that is a disadvantage for a team? When there's two seasons of evidence of this it's clear something is going on.
 

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It's not ridiculous at all. When you don't have home field advantage you don't think that is a disadvantage for a team? When there's two seasons of evidence of this it's clear something is going on.

I think it's an excuse, is what I think. If you can't win games because the crowd isn't loud enough, then resign and let someone else do the job.
 
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