Garrett top 10 NFL Coach?

[erod]

Strange how the best coaches all seem to have the best quarterbacks.

 

[BigStar]

Strange how the best coaches all seem to have the best quarterbacks.

We have a top 5 QB "Learn on the go" didn't take advantage of this centerpiece until Linney taught him how to run an offense.

 

[Idgit]

We have a top 5 QB "Learn on the go" didn't take advantage of this centerpiece until Linney taught him how to run an offense.

Who hired Linehan? Look, if the buck stops with the HC, then the HC gets the credit when the team does well, too. This fantasy that NFL teams get from 1-7 to 12-4 without credit going to the guy running the team just so you don't have to admit that maybe you were wrong about him in the first place is absurd. Jerry hired Jason, Jason hired his coaches. The coaches coach, and the players play, and, when they win, everybody gets the credit they deserve.

And the idea that we should have been apologizing for 8-8 and playing for the NFCE in week 17 each of the prior three seasons with the roster we were fielding is equally silly. We were what we were: a good team in 2007 that had gotten old by 2010 and that needed a dramatic overhaul with a cap that was 'snug' and with no additional draft picks in our pockets to work with. We had a franchise QB (one whom most of the people who were complaining about Jason Garrett up until the midway point of last season were complaining about non-stop in the seasons before Garrett took over), and a bottom-dwelling defense. Basically, we had half of a team and were getting .500 results with it. And people were mad because they expected .750 football because there were stars on the helmets.

 

[KJJ]

He's moving up he was ranked 23rd on a poll this time last year.

 

[USMarineVet]

When you look at how Garrett has transformed this team from what it was when he took over to what it is now, I think you have to consider him Top 10. How he's ranked makes no difference though. It's just someone's opinion and we've all got one. The coaches who's teams have winning records year after year will be the likely candidates for their Top 10. These analysts don't look much further than last year's standings and who coached their team to a Super Bowl.

 

[jrumann59]

He got there as the DC of the Giants, too, and took the Panthers to the SuperBowl. He's a really underrated coach, if anything.

Maybe but Fox seems to have the Wade vibe to him. Each place he has been to didn't need a rebuild, Denver did a little bit but Peyton covered a lot of those warts. Time will tell what he can do, Chicago is major task.

 

[jrumann59]

The same thing could be said of Garrett, though.

Garrett was not ranked 3rd, Garrett is probably a little high on the list, I think he is top 50 percentile of the league but I do not think Carroll is top 5 coach

 

[Idgit]

He's moving up he was ranked 23rd on a poll this time last year.

This is true. He's more than twice as good a coach as he was the year before. That's impressive.

 

[KJJ]

This is true. He's more than twice as good a coach as he was the year before. That's impressive.

Hopefully next years poll has him more than twice as good a coach as he is now.

 

[waving monkey]

And Rod/Linehan had nothing to do with with last year's success? I would argue they were the primary culprit for the turnaround over anything else. Our offense resembled nothing from the prior 4 seasons

Then Jimmy Johnson had little to do with th Cowboy trophies in our Valley Ranch Trophy case.
Nor all the other great coaches. To a man all coaches will admit it it's the position teachers who drill the techniques and schemes
planned by the head coaches into the players minds.Of course Lindman/Minninelli are hugh, this is the NFL.
The head coach acquires his staff organizes the system builds the culture. This is simple NFL 101.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You mean he rebuilt a team he inherited that had Future HOF's, Pro Bowl players, and a top 5 QB and in that rebuild he went 8-8, 3 yrs in a row missing the playoffs and losing the division title when it was right there to be had with ONE victory at the end of each season while this team blew at least 2 winnable games that were basically wins in the bag each of those years?

Last year was a good year for sure. Lets see how things go from here before we get out the anointing oil . . .

Things look good for the future, but its still has to happen . .

You can't name 10 players that was on the team before Garrett became coach. He has rebuilt this roster from top to bottom, the likes of Davis, Gurode, Barber, R.Williams, Bradie James, miles Austin, Felix Jones the list goes on that he got rid of

 

[BigStar]

Who hired Linehan? Look, if the buck stops with the HC, then the HC gets the credit when the team does well, too. This fantasy that NFL teams get from 1-7 to 12-4 without credit going to the guy running the team just so you don't have to admit that maybe you were wrong about him in the first place is absurd. Jerry hired Jason, Jason hired his coaches. The coaches coach, and the players play, and, when they win, everybody gets the credit they deserve.

And the idea that we should have been apologizing for 8-8 and playing for the NFCE in week 17 each of the prior three seasons with the roster we were fielding is equally silly. We were what we were: a good team in 2007 that had gotten old by 2010 and that needed a dramatic overhaul with a cap that was 'snug' and with no additional draft picks in our pockets to work with. We had a franchise QB (one whom most of the people who were complaining about Jason Garrett up until the midway point of last season were complaining about non-stop in the seasons before Garrett took over), and a bottom-dwelling defense. Basically, we had half of a team and were getting .500 results with it. And people were mad because they expected .750 football because there were stars on the helmets.

JG cost the team playoff opportunities by wasting Romo's prime. Erod stated that all the top HC's happened to have top QBs. We had a top QB for 4 seasons but "found" ways to lose with this HC. Why be proud of 8-8 when the record could have easily been 10-6; allowing the team to cruise into the playoffs if not for specific miscues on the part of JG that have been exhausted (DET,GB in 13')?. Overlooking the presence of Romo is placating JG's wheel spinning and nothing else. 1-7? You mean the team that went to the playoffs but somehow "lost" all of their talent the following season? That 1-7 had just as much to do with the offense as the defense. The team still had Romo, still had Witten, still had Ware, still had Hatcher/Bowen/Ratliff/Spencer in their primes. All teams face injuries, only losers use them as an excuse.

 

[BigStar]

Then Jimmy Johnson had little to do with th Cowboy trophies in our Valley Ranch Trophy case.
Nor all the other great coaches. To a man all coaches will admit it it's the position teachers who drill the techniques and schemes
planned by the head coaches into the players minds.Of course Lindman/Minninelli are hugh, this is the NFL.
The head coach acquires his staff organizes the system builds the culture. This is simple NFL 101.

NFL 101? To whom, the 31 other teams? JG didn't "choose" his coordinators until year 4? Our HC's scheme is not in use anymore (argument done in my opinion concerning his influence on schemes) which resulted in the first playoff appearance in 5 seasons. But he's been here five seasons and the roster make up is different, etc. What team doesn't have active roster turnover as a result of the cap? The essential staple was and is still here; a franchise QB in Romo.

 

[Doomsday101]

NFL 101? To whom, the 31 other teams? JG didn't "choose" his coordinators until year 4? Our HC's scheme is not in use anymore (argument done in my opinion concerning his influence on schemes) which resulted in the first playoff appearance in 5 seasons. But he's been here five seasons and the roster make up is different, etc. What team doesn't have active roster turnover as a result of the cap? The essential staple was and is still here; a franchise QB in Romo.

Yes his scheme is in place him and Linehan schemes are the same, the play calling is different but the overall scheme is the same which is why Garrett wanted Linehan on his staff. Dallas offense has improved but it was far from a poor offense even with Garrett calling the plays it still ranked in the top half in the league.

 

[BigStar]

Yes his scheme is in place him and Linehan schemes are the same, the play calling is different but the overall scheme is the same which is why Garrett wanted Linehan on his staff. Dallas offense has improved but it was far from a poor offense even with Garrett calling the plays it still ranked in the top half in the league.

Okay, WHEN we pass, the scheme is the same. I guess I meant gameplan more so than scheme though we surely didn't move Dez around like you see Calvin JG's called offense basically forced Romo to wait out his simple looks and "improvise". There was no consistency and no direct strength to the offense, even with the increased passing. There was no identity to this team until he was removed as playcaller.

 

[Doomsday101]

Okay, WHEN we pass, the scheme is the same. I guess I meant gameplan more so than scheme though we surely didn't move Dez around like you see Calvin

Garrett is still involved with game plan, yes having a OC instead of Garrett trying to do both jobs is a benefit this is what Jimmy Johnson said when Jason took over. The job of doing both is a bit much and he had felt Garrett backing away from play calling would be a big help. However this does not lesson the job or the responsibility of the HC it still falls to him. If Dallas fails the finger is going to be pointed to Garrett no matter if it is an offensive failure or defensive failure or even special teams. He is the HC he has a lot of say of what is taking place and who we keep and who we get rid of.

 

[waving monkey]

NFL 101? To whom, the 31 other teams? JG didn't "choose" his coordinators until year 4? Our HC's scheme is not in use anymore (argument done in my opinion concerning his influence on schemes) which resulted in the first playoff appearance in 5 seasons. But he's been here five seasons and the roster make up is different, etc. What team doesn't have active roster turnover as a result of the cap? The essential staple was and is still here; a franchise QB in Romo.

yap no doubt Romo's a good one but his known for his play off demons. Of course his a good one
if you can't judge the talent of Red I'll leave it to ya.
It's all there to see the turn around this team is making the last four years
If you cant see it .It's on you not Red.

P.S., it continues to puzzle why some cant see the gold thats right under their feet.

 

[BigStar]

yap no doubt Romo's a good one but his known for his play off demons. Of course his a good one
if you can't judge the talent of Red I'll leave it to ya.
It's all there to see the turn around this team is making the last four years
If you cant see it .It's on you not Red.

P.S., it continues to puzzle why some cant see the gold thats right under their feet.

I acknowledge Red had done enough for an extension as he is the man on top. I would like to see one more season similar to lasts before annointing him. The 3 8-8 seasons are still fresh enough for me to not drink the kool aid in this regard. I didn't see the progression over the course of the three 8-8 seasons that you are attributing to Red's presence. I saw the same thing happen 3 seasons in a row; an unprepared team gets whooped when playing any team with a winning record when everything is on the line. Win and you're in, yeah we lost 3 consecutive times. Win another playoff game and JG will have shown last season wasn't an aberration and assures that the pass happy O (his offense) doesn't show its head again.

 

[Doomsday101]

I acknowledge Red had done enough for an extension as he is the man on top. I would like to see one more season similar to lasts before annointing him. The 3 8-8 seasons are still fresh enough for me to not drink the kool aid in this regard. I didn't see the progression over the course of the three 8-8 seasons that you are attributing to Red's presence. I saw the same thing happen 3 seasons in a row; an unprepared team gets whooped when playing any team with a winning record when everything is on the line. Win and you're in, yeah we lost 3 consecutive times. Win another playoff game and JG will have shown last season wasn't an aberration and assures that the pass happy O (his offense) doesn't show its head again.

I agree that this is a big season for Jason, he has to show he can have his team compete at a high level and do so consistently. Having a good year and then a season in which you don't make the playoffs would bring in a lot more doubt about his ability as a HC. Putting together a good season is hard but showing you can do it year after year is what is expected of great coaches and players.

 

[waving monkey]

I acknowledge Red had done enough for an extension as he is the man on top. I would like to see one more season similar to lasts before annointing him. The 3 8-8 seasons are still fresh enough for me to not drink the kool aid in this regard. I didn't see the progression over the course of the three 8-8 seasons that you are attributing to Red's presence. I saw the same thing happen 3 seasons in a row; an unprepared team gets whooped when playing any team with a winning record when everything is on the line. Win and you're in, yeah we lost 3 consecutive times. Win another playoff game and JG will have shown last season wasn't an aberration and assures that the pass happy O (his offense) doesn't show its head again.

I saw a rebuilding under way.Tearing down the offensive line and throwing in some nobodies all along the line.
THAT FIRST 8-8 was a horror to watch but I could see the entire team turning.
Each of the years we had better drafts and Red got better help.
What put a turd in the punch bowl was Red going through OJT and making those poor calls and non calls.
They have built something from the ground up and we are almost caught up with replacing bad back ups.
I think we have one of the youngest and more talent teams in the NFL. Red's methodical approach has produced
and will continue.