Garrett top 10 NFL Coach?

[Irvin88_4life]

The issue, with the term "big games" is that it is completely subjective. The author can define it any way they please.

Ya and it seems like the only ones who want to use that term are ones that like to speak negative about the team, coach, owner or players. Guess they can't use the "can't win in December" routine anymore. They had to find something else

 

[CowboyRoy]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...-best-coach-in-the-league/ss-AAbI9Rr#image=20


Nope, ranked 11th just behind Fox, Pagano, Arians and Coughlin or he would be top 10?

LOL!!!!!!

11th? Wow, that was funny.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No, but one more playoff victory this year puts him right there IMO.

Garrett couldnt coach his way out of a paper bag. Its no coincidence that the first year he was kicked to the curb by Jones from game day football decision we went 12-4.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He only has 1 playoff win, and if you count the end of season win and in games , he is 1-4 in big games
Only 1 winning season.
this year will let us know more about his HC abilitys.

We have all seen the inabilities of Garrett as a coach over the last 8 years. That evaluation doesnt change just because he now has loads of talent because of Jones and Clay and has great coordinators to run both sides of the ball and call the game.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I dont have to see results Red has got it

Garrett is the best fanny patter I have EVER seen. LOL

 

[CowboyRoy]

No, but to be in the hunt until the end while rebuilding and with a cap penalty says a lot also.

It says a lot about Will Clay, Jerry, and Stephen.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And Rod/Linehan had nothing to do with with last year's success? I would argue they were the primary culprit for the turnaround over anything else. Our offense resembled nothing from the prior 4 seasons

We have seen the ineptitude of Garretts coaching for 8 years. Horrifying stuff.

I put the credit for the turnaround of this team on several people in this order: Will Clay, Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, Marianelli, Romo, Linehan.

Garrett is somewhere muddled after those people.

 

[BigStar]

I saw a rebuilding under way.Tearing down the offensive line and throwing in some nobodies all along the line.
THAT FIRST 8-8 was a horror to watch but I could see the entire team turning.
Each of the years we had better drafts and Red got better help.
What put a turd in the punch bowl was Red going through OJT and making those poor calls and non calls.
They have built something from the ground up and we are almost caught up with replacing bad back ups.
I think we have one of the youngest and more talent teams in the NFL. Red's methodical approach has produced
and will continue.

What was stopping the team from drafting the OL while retaining some of the vets during that first 8-8 season (Gurode mainly)? Would have protected your franchise QB more than journeymen centers. It took 4 years and 3 first round picks to rebuild the OL. It surely wasn't a point of emphasis every off season or more OL would have been brought in/drafted. I love the OL, but a rebuild doesn't generally take 4 seasons and require all the added pieces to come from premium draft picks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Fox got a team to the Superbowl -- no small feat.

I find it hard to objectively rank Garrett ahead of Fox at this point.

Garrett has done NOTHING what so ever to this point in his career other than his team getting to the second round last year. Besides the one year under Wade, the Cowboys have been nothing but a complete disappointment and choking team with Garrett heavily involved in the coaching.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What was stopping the team from drafting the OL while retaining some of the vets during that first 8-8 season? It took 4 years and 3 first round picks to rebuild the OL. It surely wasn't a point of emphasis every off season or more OL would have been brought in/drafted. I love the OL, but a rebuild doesn't generally take 4 seasons and require all the added pieces to come from premium draft picks.

Garretts first Oline rebuild attempt was a complete disaster. He wanted light, finesse type lineman. We basically had to start over.

 

[Doomsday101]

Garretts first Oline rebuild attempt was a complete disaster. He wanted light, finesse type lineman. We basically had to start over.

Make up your mind in one post you claim "It says a lot about Will Clay, Jerry, and Stephen" and then this one Garrett first rebuild was a disaster. So is that to say if something does not work it is Garrett who is to blame but if players pan out then it now is Will Clay (McClay) , Stephen and Jerry?

 

[Idgit]

JG cost the team playoff opportunities by wasting Romo's prime. Erod stated that all the top HC's happened to have top QBs. We had a top QB for 4 seasons but "found" ways to lose with this HC. Why be proud of 8-8 when the record could have easily been 10-6; allowing the team to cruise into the playoffs if not for specific miscues on the part of JG that have been exhausted (DET,GB in 13')?. Overlooking the presence of Romo is placating JG's wheel spinning and nothing else. 1-7? You mean the team that went to the playoffs but somehow "lost" all of their talent the following season? That 1-7 had just as much to do with the offense as the defense. The team still had Romo, still had Witten, still had Ware, still had Hatcher/Bowen/Ratliff/Spencer in their primes. All teams face injuries, only losers use them as an excuse.

I don't buy that JG cost us anything. Romo's prime, as I pointed out, was only half the equation. If you can't stop the other guys from scoring easier than you can score, you can't win. You need both the QB and the defense to win.

As for the miscues, he's made some. Much of the time, it's just people second guessing plays that didn't work, but Jason's not immune to making mistakes. I'd suggest anybody expecting a HC who doesn't make mistakes doesn't have their expectations set properly, and there's not a coach in the league who's immune to second guessing.

Yes, I meant that 1-7 team taht had gone to the playoffs the year before. What of it? It was 1-7 the year that it got Wade fired. An awful lot can happen in the NFL in one year. But that team had crested in 2007 and was obviously trending down. Nobody used injuries as an excuse. At least I didn't. Those teams had defenses that sucked as well as an overall team that lacked depth. Those aren't excuses, it's just the way it was. There's nothing wrong with admitting it. I said it at the time at a point when almost nobody was wanting to hear it: getting to the division championship games in week 17 three straight years in a row with a weak roster prior to going 12-4 last year is nothing to be embarrassed by. It was a fairly significant accomplishment. Now that same coach has depth and youth and cap room and a team that's on the short list of favorites for the NFC. It's a long season and you never know what could happen, but it's obvious that the coach and the organization have a plan and that the plan has put us in a better competitive situation than we've been in since Parcels was here. If you can't see it yet, the problem is you, and not Jason.

 

[Hoofbite]

There aren't 10 coaches that did a better job than Garrett did last year. There are still some hurdles he needs to clear. He needs to have more postseason success or he will be back squarely on the hot seat. He's got a good DC and OC. He need not get in the way or micro manage. Just be a CEO type coach that delegates and leads the entire team.

Maybe, but grading a coach can't be based on a single year out of a handful.

There wasn't a single RB in the NFL last year who was better than Murray and yet many have a hard time giving him credit for that. Many also doubt he'll finish next year in the same position.

 

[BigStar]

I don't buy that JG cost us anything. Romo's prime, as I pointed out, was only half the equation. If you can't stop the other guys from scoring easier than you can score, you can't win. You need both the QB and the defense to win.

As for the miscues, he's made some. Much of the time, it's just people second guessing plays that didn't work, but Jason's not immune to making mistakes. I'd suggest anybody expecting a HC who doesn't make mistakes doesn't have their expectations set properly, and there's not a coach in the league who's immune to second guessing.

Yes, I meant that 1-7 team taht had gone to the playoffs the year before. What of it? It was 1-7 the year that it got Wade fired. An awful lot can happen in the NFL in one year. But that team had crested in 2007 and was obviously trending down. Nobody used injuries as an excuse. At least I didn't. Those teams had defenses that sucked as well as an overall team that lacked depth. Those aren't excuses, it's just the way it was. There's nothing wrong with admitting it. I said it at the time at a point when almost nobody was wanting to hear it: getting to the division championship games in week 17 three straight years in a row with a weak roster prior to going 12-4 last year is nothing to be embarrassed by. It was a fairly significant accomplishment. Now that same coach has depth and youth and cap room and a team that's on the short list of favorites for the NFC. It's a long season and you never know what could happen, but it's obvious that the coach and the organization have a plan and that the plan has put us in a better competitive situation than we've been in since Parcels was here. If you can't see it yet, the problem is you, and not Jason.

A lot can happen in a year, yet this team stayed competitively mediocre for 3 seasons as the marker for success somehow? This is somehow an accomplishment bc the talent obv got them 8 wins (franchise QB more than anything else), but the coach cost the team along the way in that these talentless teams kept posting 8 wins . The 8-8 teams rarely beat anyone they shouldn't have, which to me is a sign of stagnation, not growth. When the gameplans fail you on the do or die games, that is on the HC/OC and not the "gauged" lack of talent on the team that got them to the 8 wins in the first place.

 

[cml750]

JG cost the team playoff opportunities by wasting Romo's prime. Erod stated that all the top HC's happened to have top QBs. We had a top QB for 4 seasons but "found" ways to lose with this HC. Why be proud of 8-8 when the record could have easily been 10-6; allowing the team to cruise into the playoffs if not for specific miscues on the part of JG that have been exhausted (DET,GB in 13')?. Overlooking the presence of Romo is placating JG's wheel spinning and nothing else. 1-7? You mean the team that went to the playoffs but somehow "lost" all of their talent the following season? That 1-7 had just as much to do with the offense as the defense. The team still had Romo, still had Witten, still had Ware, still had Hatcher/Bowen/Ratliff/Spencer in their primes. All teams face injuries, only losers use them as an excuse.

Post of the year!!!! I am no longer bashing Garrett but it does aggravate me that so many just sweep his learning on the job mistakes that cost us the playoffs for three straight years under the rug. That was a waste of having a superstar QB in his prime. Of course the jury is still out on Garrett as he has only been successful one season. I sincerely hope he keeps it up.

 

[Fletch]

After the Cowboys win the Super Bowl this year it is going to be very painful for the Garrett doubters.

Well said.

 

[Idgit]

A lot can happen in a year, yet this team stayed competitively mediocre for 3 seasons as the marker for success somehow? This is somehow an accomplishment bc the talent obv got them 8 wins (franchise QB more than anything else), but the coach cost the team along the way in that these talentless teams kept posting 8 wins . The 8-8 teams rarely beat anyone they shouldn't have, which to me is a sign of stagnation, not growth. When the gameplans fail you on the do or die games, that is on the HC/OC and not the "gauged" lack of talent on the team that got them to the 8 wins in the first place.

Yes, being competitive while retooling the roster was an accomplishment, no, the coach wasn't costing the team victories or postseason berths during that time. No, it wouldn't have mattered anyway because we had a bottom-tier defense that was the reason we couldn't beat actual good teams head to head. No the game plans didn't fail us, the defense did. And no, you can't simultaneously blame the head coach for identifying and filling the holes in the roster via the draft and blame him for not doing it sooner just because you wanted a magical overhaul to happen without extra picks and without any cap room. Remember, we had the CBA deal go through, and the Austin cap penalty come down at that time, too, both of which were unusual circumstances the organization had to work around in the middle of a rebuilding process.

If all you've got to complain about regarding the complete rebuilding of our roster under Jason Garrett is that he didn't rebuild it completely fast enough, and that they weren't more competitive than 8-8 and three consecutive week 17 NFCE title games, well, I can live with that. We've already weathered all those misguided criticisms. Now we get to just enjoy the team we've got for a year or two, knowing some of us saw it coming a mile away and some still don't see it when it's right in front of their face.

 

[Maxmadden]

I don't buy that JG cost us anything. Romo's prime, as I pointed out, was only half the equation. If you can't stop the other guys from scoring easier than you can score, you can't win. You need both the QB and the defense to win.

As for the miscues, he's made some. Much of the time, it's just people second guessing plays that didn't work, but Jason's not immune to making mistakes. I'd suggest anybody expecting a HC who doesn't make mistakes doesn't have their expectations set properly, and there's not a coach in the league who's immune to second guessing.

Yes, I meant that 1-7 team taht had gone to the playoffs the year before. What of it? It was 1-7 the year that it got Wade fired. An awful lot can happen in the NFL in one year. But that team had crested in 2007 and was obviously trending down. Nobody used injuries as an excuse. At least I didn't. Those teams had defenses that sucked as well as an overall team that lacked depth. Those aren't excuses, it's just the way it was. There's nothing wrong with admitting it. I said it at the time at a point when almost nobody was wanting to hear it: getting to the division championship games in week 17 three straight years in a row with a weak roster prior to going 12-4 last year is nothing to be embarrassed by. It was a fairly significant accomplishment. Now that same coach has depth and youth and cap room and a team that's on the short list of favorites for the NFC. It's a long season and you never know what could happen, but it's obvious that the coach and the organization have a plan and that the plan has put us in a better competitive situation than we've been in since Parcels was here. If you can't see it yet, the problem is you, and not Jason.

You are wasting your time. There are those that will never know that they don't know what they don't know, simply because they can never comprehend a reality other than their own. They just don't know that they don't know. They only know what they know.

Know is derived from the word knowledge, which we are all lacking. Some just don't know.

 

[Idgit]

Post of the year!!!! I am no longer bashing Garrett but it does aggravate me that so many just sweep his learning on the job mistakes that cost us the playoffs for three straight years under the rug. That was a waste of having a superstar QB in his prime. Of course the jury is still out on Garrett as he has only been successful one season. I sincerely hope he keeps it up.

If you feel this way, then the only reason you're not bashing the guy is because of the 12-4, and not because your opinion changed. He didn't cost us the playoffs for three straight years. He got blamed for a team that was not good enough to make the playoffs in the first place not making the playoffs for three straight years. That's what happens when you inherit a 1 win team and have no resources. But just like I kept saying during those 8-8 seasons, you don't always judge a coach by his teams wins and losses. Sometimes it's a good job of coaching that gets a team to .500.

I understand that a lot of you guys just never saw it coming. And that now the choices are to pretend that it wasn't happening after all or that it happened for some other reason, but the reality is that JG has been rebuilding this team the right way since 2010. He's been saying and doing the right things, and, while he's made his share of mistakes, the trend as been overwhelmingly positive. Now, NFL seasons are long, and a lot can happen to derail what we've been putting together. We'll see if he can keep it going, but there's no doubt he's put us in position to make a run and he deserves the credit for his part in that.

 

[Idgit]

You are wasting your time. There are those that will never know that they don't know what they don't know, simply because they can never comprehend a reality other than their own. They just don't know that they don't know. They only know what they know.

Know is derived from the word knowledge, which we are all lacking. Some just don't know.

I know. But this is a lot easier than telling them why they were wrong after 8-8, at least.