Garrett: "We practice that every day"

[Zordon]

I don't care what is practiced, etc.....you tell the team under all circumstances go out of bounds. How hard is it to repeat that or remind them. It isn't like we haven't seen 6 years of players with no situational awareness. There is a disconnect between what he tells us he preaches and what happens on Sundays

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[plymkr]

But in this instance, what do you suggest?

It's the end of the game and T-Will is already looking destroyed on the field. Coaches gotta do the handshake pleasantries and whatnot. So you want JG to ignore the NFL's end-game routine to go chew T-Will out ala McAdoo for the world to see? All you can do is shake your head and just address it in the lockerroom.

And if you're talking about benching him... let's talk about next man up. Benching him for who and how long and is benching him detrimental to the team? Ijs.. There are rules I'm sure the players have to abide by, but I'm just asking you and anyone reading this to put this in perspective. This isn't high school or college. There isn't an unlimited amount of players on the roster. The talent depth on this team isn't that deep. So when you're talking discipline, there's a lot that has to be taken into consideration.

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be disciplined or whatever.. but put yourself in the coaches shoes and tell me what you would do...

I agree, I'm not into the whole public shaming thing. What I would do is next practice have Twill and Dunbar work with a coach or Mark Sanchez and run those routes and catch the ball and run out of bounds. So to put it another way, I would have Mark Sanchez, Dunbar and Twill practice the situation of being down by 1 point with 15 seconds left in the game and they have to preserve the clock. They run their routes and they get out of bounds and I would do it over and over again for several hours until it is seared into heir heads what to do. If for several hours for 1 day would be too much then after every practice is either over or about to be over I would have Dunbar and Twill do this for several weeks for a short amount of time. It would become muscle memory and they wouldn't think because they practiced it so much that when their brain goes into automatic pilot they'll know what to do.

Tom Landry, an actual real coach, did something similar with Dorestt. Tony Dorsett had a fumbling problem. So Tom gave him a football at the start of the week and told him to bring him back that football. Then he told the rest of the team that their job was to get the football from him. I can't remember what the reward was for any other Cowboy to bring back the football or what the punishment was for Dorsett to not bring it back. But the tactic worked. That football and Tony were inseparable the whole week. Have you ever seen the movie The Program, it's a nineties movie about a college football team with Halle Berry, Omar Epps. Well the coach in that team copied what Landry did with his RB.

 

[Doomsay]

After Dunbar's gaff, why wasn't a reminder radioed in to Dak? It doesn't excuse either of these vets, but you'd think that there'd be some communication in the huddle "whoever gets the ball, make sure you get out of bounds." I remember that from high school huddles, it can't be beneath these guys to stress something like that especially after someone had just screwed up...

 

[rynochop]

How does everyone here understand the basic concept of getting out of bounds in that situation but when TWill doesn't do it we want to blame the coach for not practicing it enough for him?

It's more fun.

It's like asking first graders what 2 + 2 is and one says three, is that the teachers fault or a dumb kid

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's never his fault. Shocking.

Not trying to defend Garrett, but this is all on TWill. I've seen smarter plays made in pee wee league.

 

[Vtwin]

Nobody watched the post game show with Nate, Broaddus and Campo? Both Nate and Broaddus confirmed that JG spends a great deal of time going over these exact situations. Nate was frustrated with the amount of time spent on it. Said Jimmy never did that.

 

[landroverking]

Aikman said the same of Mickey & Mickey this morning.
I guess you would think he would show support for Jason as he did.

 

[Wolfpack]

Not trying to defend Garrett, but this is all on TWill. I've seen smarter plays made in pee wee league.

I agree the player made the mistake but a great coach reminds his players of the need to do certain things. Parcels or Johnson are meticulous control freaks about that. Either would have been telling the players the situation and what they need to do every single down in that position.

Jason is standing there like a deer in headlights clapping and when things go south yet again, its the players fault that he didn't remember something. Watch a great coach on the sidelines, they are monitoring all those little things (which is why a great Coach like Andy Reid always struggled with time management when he also called the plays). Its the details that count and Jason doesn't get those on game day.

 

[Tommy]

After Dunbar's gaff, why wasn't a reminder radioed in to Dak? It doesn't excuse either of these vets, but you'd think that there'd be some communication in the huddle "whoever gets the ball, make sure you get out of bounds." I remember that from high school huddles, it can't be beneath these guys to stress something like that especially after someone had just screwed up...

It may have been communicated in the huddle. We don't know what was said.

 

[plymkr]

I remember reading in a book about the Cowboys. I can't remember which one, if I find it I'll let you know. It was one of the skip Bayless' books about the Cowboys in the 90's. It was mainly talking about the 95 team that won it all despite barry switzer. But anyway the part of the book was addressing the change between Johnson and switzer. Aikman was asked if the Johnson's Cowboys partied. This came up because in training camp Irvin was out all night partying and slept through part of practice, or got there late, or was severely hung over. Aikman said that Jimmy would have pulled Irvin aside and made him run sprints the entire practice. Switzer just pretended nothing happened. Johnson said that if you partied at night, you'd pay for it in the morning. After Jimmy left, well we all saw what happened.

I'm not a big fan of coaches shaming players or yelling at them in front of everyone. Parcells bugged me when he would stare a person down as they came off the field. I'm not into that. In an earlier post I talked about Landry and Dorestt and the football story. Jimmy making players who are hungover or out all night runs sprints until they vomit is what I like. You don't have to yell to get someone's attention, especially with grown men. But there are ways to get their attention.

So if Broaddus is telling the truth and most likely he is. Then it didn't sink in with Dunbar and Twill. That's were I'd like to see a jimmy johnson or landry approach to this situational error. Jimmy cut Curvin Richards because he kept fumbling, right before the playoffs too. Jimmy cut John Roper for falling asleep in a LBer meeting. But that was before the salary cap and Free Agency. But I bet Jimmy would make Twill and Dunbar run that two minute offense until their legs burned or they vomited in the next practice.

Our current regime of front office and coaches instills no fear and responsibility with the players. No one holds Jones responsible, Jones does hold his puppet responsible, and his puppet doesn't hold the players responsible.

 

[plymkr]

I agree the player made the mistake but a great coach reminds his players of the need to do certain things. Parcels or Johnson are meticulous control freaks about that. Either would have been telling the players the situation and what they need to do every single down in that position.

Jason is standing there like a deer in headlights clapping and when things go south yet again, its the players fault that he didn't remember something. Watch a great coach on the sidelines, they are monitoring all those little things (which is why a great Coach like Andy Reid always struggled with time management when he also called the plays). Its the details that count and Jason doesn't get those on game day.

I think it's Garrett's and Twill's fault equally. Whatever was communicated in the huddle or practiced during the week or TC did not translate into results on the field. So there's a disconnect there between Little Jerry and Twill and possibly the whole team. Situational football is not something our team has been doing well since Little Jerry took over for Wade.

 

[cmoney23]

I've never practiced that... not once.

My brother, who barely watches football has never practiced it.

But we both were screaming to get out of bounds.
We both were saying quick 5-10 yard out and get out of bounds and you have a chance.

This wasn't a football play... it was common sense. Twill BLEW it.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Fixed it!

Garrett: 'We practice that every day, but if we make a mistake, it's okay. We are only human and I will not hold you accountable. "

 

[Beast_from_East]

But in this instance, what do you suggest?

It's the end of the game and T-Will is already looking destroyed on the field. Coaches gotta do the handshake pleasantries and whatnot. So you want JG to ignore the NFL's end-game routine to go chew T-Will out ala McAdoo for the world to see? All you can do is shake your head and just address it in the lockerroom.

And if you're talking about benching him... let's talk about next man up. Benching him for who and how long and is benching him detrimental to the team? Ijs.. There are rules I'm sure the players have to abide by, but I'm just asking you and anyone reading this to put this in perspective. This isn't high school or college. There isn't an unlimited amount of players on the roster. The talent depth on this team isn't that deep. So when you're talking discipline, there's a lot that has to be taken into consideration.

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be disciplined or whatever.. but put yourself in the coaches shoes and tell me what you would do...

I know this was not directed to me, but if I may chime in here I would say that there needs to be repercussions for making catastrophic mistakes like this. When I watch the Patriots play and somebody fumbles the ball or misses a block, they literally look terrified walking back to the sideline with Hoody standing there.

I guarantee you that if a Patriot wide receiver didn't run out of bounds during a 2 min drill and the clock expired costing the Pats the game, that wide receiver would be buried so far on the depth chart that you would have to send out a search party to find him. Instead, Garrett pats the wide receiver on the back and says "don't worry , we will get them next time".

I guess that is the difference between Garrett and a future first ballot hall of fame head coach like Hoody...............Just saying.

 

[DTown214]

Don't get me wrong, our coaching is absolute garbage. But that play was T-Will just screwing up. Any high school, college, or especially pro level coaching staff knows to get out of bounds on that play. I'd bet money it was mentioned in the huddle before the play. Terrance just let us down... all it comes down to.

I can think of 99 other reasons we lost that game because of bad coaching... but that likely wasn't one of them.

 

[cml750]

Broaddus who has never been a Garrett proponent:

So is this proof Garrett has ineffective practices?

 

[BAT]

This is where a Garrett supporter makes the comparison that Tom Landry wasn't loud and in your face, so therefore Garrett is the next Tom Landry.

Except players actually feared Landry. Garrett is their buddy.

Well other than Romo, Witten and Murray, not sure Garrett is everyone's buddy. But he sure acts like he wants to be.

 

[BAT]

You can't fix stupid. I believe Garrett on this one.

But it does say something that Garrett seems to be okay with acquiring, trusting and keeping stupid players. There are a lot of stupid players on this team, not just TWill.

 

[CWR]

It was practiced. Every single coach in the NFL practices the 2 minute drill. There are plenty of reasons to hate on Garret, no need to manufacture more.

 

[jobberone]

I think it's more likely Williams just had a brainfart.

I hare it when that happens.