Garrett's confused coaching

[Trueboysfan]

To me there are two kinds of coaches. You have your really smart thinkers who are able to dissect offenses and defenses and fine ways to win. These are your chess player types. Think Billicheat
Then you have those who are smart, but will teams to win. They have a charisma on the sidelines that make a team want to win no matter the cost, simply because they love their coach and their teammates so much and would do anything in order to not let the team down. Jimmy Johnson
Then you have those that are a special combination of passion and outright geniuses at the same time...Gruden and Parcells are the first that comes to mind in that category.
Then you have Garret who has the demeanor of Billicheat, and somehow thinks he's as smart as him. This is a bad combination. Either get with the program and get us some real things drawn up, or pull a Dez and make this team want to win.

 

[Crown Royal]

I don't know if I buy into your analogies because there are plenty of people who are excellent at both the chess AND then motivational aspects of the game. My take on Garrett is that I think he is an excellent strategist, but a poor tactician. He gets the big picture very, very well, but making the right little decisions on the fly just hurt him. We are a far better team without him calling the plays but he just doesn't have the knack for making the right call over and over again.

 

[CATCH17]

I just don't think his style of coaching could ever get us past 10-6 regardless of how good this roster is.

We just don't play to win. We accept whats there and that's about that.


When you have a receiver like Dez Bryant you gotta take shots to him down the field. You don't treat him like Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, or Jerry Rice.

You treat him like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald.

I want to like the guy but he just does not meet the standard that this franchise needs.

But JErry openly accepts mediocrity so maybe it's just time to drastically lower this franchises expectations.

 

[Trueboysfan]

I don't know if I buy into your analogies because there are plenty of people who are excellent at both the chess AND then motivational aspects of the game. My take on Garrett is that I think he is an excellent strategist, but a poor tactician. He gets the big picture very, very well, but making the right little decisions on the fly just hurt him. We are a far better team without him calling the plays but he just doesn't have the knack for making the right call over and over again.

I agree that there are plenty that contain both, I just named a couple that came to mind. They relieved him off OC duties so he could pay more attention in the games and not make the little mistakes that cost us the game. He clearly hasn't done that yet.

Plus I hate the play calling...way too conservative and the Cowboys should be paying to score every series, because they have the talent on the offensive side of the ball to do it every series

 

[Sarge]

Name one redeeming quality Garrett gives you as a head coach........ and don't give me the old RKG argument. Any idiot can say that.

What does he bring to the table that shows you he has what it takes to get us to the next level?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He doesn't offer anything above average in any department, unless you care about the nostalgia value of being Troy's former clipboard carrier.

And a lot of us don't care about that at all.

 

[Ender]

I just don't think his style of coaching could ever get us past 10-6 regardless of how good this roster is.

We just don't play to win. We accept whats there and that's about that.


When you have a receiver like Dez Bryant you gotta take shots to him down the field. You don't treat him like Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, or Jerry Rice.

You treat him like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald.

I want to like the guy but he just does not meet the standard that this franchise needs.

But JErry openly accepts mediocrity so maybe it's just time to drastically lower this franchises expectations.

This about sums it up.

For me, a telling moment, that kind of gets lost in thins game is Detroit going for it on 4rth and goal. Im not saying the game would have turn out exactly the same way if the would have settled for a field goal, but if they did, we're up ten at the end of the game. Garrett for sure would have kicked that field goal. example of scared coaching and aggressive coaching. Garrett is not an aggressive coach and its demonstrated through his offense.

 

[Plankton]

He doesn't offer anything above average in any department, unless you care about the nostalgia value of being Troy's former clipboard carrier.

And a lot of us don't care about that at all.

He leads the league in press conference wins.

 

[jwitten82]

He leads the league in press conference wins.

And moral victories

 

[Crown Royal]

Name one redeeming quality Garrett gives you as a head coach........ and don't give me the old RKG argument. Any idiot can say that.

What does he bring to the table that shows you he has what it takes to get us to the next level?

I think he has built a roster and a team that is finally beginning to function like a roster and team that knows it's job. I think we are seeing decisions he made 1-2 years ago starting to make sense as far as it comes to building the roster. I thought dumping Gurode was INSANE, as was moving Tyron and Free from positions they knew, but now I am seeing the logic. I think in one offseason our WR core has gone from questionable to incredibly strong. I think that we are suddenly VERY LOW on penalties against and turnovers.

That said, I still feel like game management and decisions on the fly is a problem. I think he is an average game planner before the game but very slow to respond whenever we see something that we did not plan for. I think that while he prepares for certain things very well and, when he is right, our team is ready, when he is taken off guard he is slow to respond to that (for instance, we are now three games in where teams just BLITZ us to no end and I have seen no adjustment).

I think that there are redeeming qualities to the building of a team that are valuable. I think that managing a game and juggling variables are still sub-par.

 

[Flinger]

Good grief

 

[Crown Royal]

Put another way, in 2010 I felt we had a dreadful OL, terrible secondary, decent defensive line, mediocre linebacker corps and alright WR core. Since then I feel like every single one of these units, except the defensive line, has been improved in some way.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Name one redeeming quality Garrett gives you as a head coach........ and don't give me the old RKG argument. Any idiot can say that.

What does he bring to the table that shows you he has what it takes to get us to the next level?

..........

 

[erod]

You see it all over the league every Sunday.

All 32 team message boards say the same thing about their coaches.

Second guessing is easy.

 

[Crown Royal]

You see it all over the league every Sunday.

All 32 team message boards say the same thing about their coaches.

Second guessing is easy.

The most important thing when things go wrong is to figure out whose fault it is, erod.

 

[Zman5]

I see the main problem with JG's hire is this.

The benefit of hiring a seasoned coach is the experience he can bring. He can draw upon his past experience to make quick decisions when the bullets are flying because he has seen it and been in that situation before.

The down side may be he may be set on his old ways and little short on innovation. They may not try anything new since they may feel it's too risky. I think we saw some of this with Parcells.

That's what a younger inexperience coach can bring to the table. He may have a newer view on things and bring new ideas and innovate. He may be more willing to take more risks trying new things.

JG brings neither. He obviously doesn't have the experience. And he is gutless and doesn't take any risks.

Instead of trying to bring/create new ideas, all he is trying to do is copy other successful coaches. Someone should tell him, just because he talks to them and read their books, he is never going to be as good as them just by trying to copy them.

 

[VThokie7]

I think he has built a roster and a team that is finally beginning to function like a roster and team that knows it's job. I think we are seeing decisions he made 1-2 years ago starting to make sense as far as it comes to building the roster. I thought dumping Gurode was INSANE, as was moving Tyron and Free from positions they knew, but now I am seeing the logic. I think in one offseason our WR core has gone from questionable to incredibly strong. I think that we are suddenly VERY LOW on penalties against and turnovers.

That said, I still feel like game management and decisions on the fly is a problem. I think he is an average game planner before the game but very slow to respond whenever we see something that we did not plan for. I think that while he prepares for certain things very well and, when he is right, our team is ready, when he is taken off guard he is slow to respond to that (for instance, we are now three games in where teams just BLITZ us to no end and I have seen no adjustment).

I think that there are redeeming qualities to the building of a team that are valuable. I think that managing a game and juggling variables are still sub-par.

Unfortunately the negatives you mentioned are what are always going to hold us back. Failing in terms of game planning and ability to make in-game adjustments are always going to haunt you, especially so in big games and the playoffs. Beyond that can we be sure how much involvement Garrett has had in the building of the team?

 

[Crown Royal]

Unfortunately the negatives you mentioned are what are always going to hold us back. Failing in terms of game planning and ability to make in-game adjustments are always going to haunt you, especially so in big games and the playoffs. Beyond that can we be sure how much involvement Garrett has had in the building of the team?

I don't know how much I buy what you said earlier; I think Garrett is getting raked over the coals for a loss where we gave up over 600 yards with a 4th string DL.

For the bolded part, though, I think a lot. I say this anecdotally only because I feel like I have watched very closely the way this team has been built with Parcells, Phillips and then Garrett. I feel like each of those three eras felt very different to me, regardless of Jerry Jones involvement.

 

[VThokie7]

I don't know how much I buy what you said earlier; I think Garrett is getting raked over the coals for a loss where we gave up over 600 yards with a 4th string DL.

For the bolded part, though, I think a lot. I say this anecdotally only because I feel like I have watched very closely the way this team has been built with Parcells, Phillips and then Garrett. I feel like each of those three eras felt very different to me, regardless of Jerry Jones involvement.

You mentioned his inability to make adjustments. And that has been a problem for as long as he has been our offensive coordinator. It hasn't changed or even gotten better. That goes well beyond the defenses failures against the Lions. Game planning is a huge component of coaching and the successful ones need to be good at it. If he continues to come up short in that department you can't win with him when the games count.

 

[Crown Royal]

You mentioned his inability to make adjustments. And that has been a problem for as long as he has been our offensive coordinator. It hasn't changed or even gotten better. That goes well beyond the defenses failures against the Lions. Game planning is a huge component of coaching and the successful ones need to be good at it. If he continues to come up short in that department you can't win with him when the games count.

I'm generally willing to agree with this, but I still think Garrett gets a chance through 2014 (regardless of what happens this year). The offense is about as good as we are going to get it. It can be improved here and there, and it may not always pass the eyeball test, but we're scoring points. The defense is two years now suffering through catastrophic injuries and being easy to pass against. I still want to see a Garrett coached team that doesn't have to deal with scrubs across an entire unit all year long. I know that's a tall order and all successful teams have injuries, but when your defense allows over 600 yards in a game, something is off with the personnel.