Give Your First Round Short Board

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The draft is typically going on right around now so I imagine that we all have a pretty good idea of the prospects. What I would ask is for people to just give the prospects that they give first round grades for the Cowboys. I plan on doing this for at least the first several rounds. I am hoping to get a feel for what the consensus is more or less on where guys will go.

Plus I love exercises like this. I am a nerd. Here is mine:

Clowney
Mack
Robinson
Watkins
Donald
Manziel
Barr
Lewan
Evans
Martin
Clinton-Dix
Ebron
Jernigan
Gilbert
Ealy
Pryor
Mosely

Noticeable exceptions: Dennard, Bortles, Bridgewater, Nix. From my view 16 is not a bad spot to be in.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

1. Khalil Mack DE
2. Greg Robsinon OT
3. Jake Matthews OT
4. Aaron Donald DT
5. Jadeveon Clowney DE
6. Taylor Lewan OT
7. Anthony Barr DE
8. Teddy Bridewater QB
9. Blake Bortles QB
10. Sammy Watkins WR
11. Timmy Jernigan DT
12. Calvin Pryor S
13. Ha Ha Clinton Dix S
14. Zack Martin OG
15. Mike Evans WR
16. Eric Ebron TE
17. Xavier SuaFilo OG
18. Justin Gilbert CB
19. Dee Ford DE
20. Kony Ealy DE
21. Resheade Hageman DT
22. Justin Gilbert CB
23. Ryan Shazier LB
24. Jeremy Attachou DE
25. Scott Chrichton DE
26. CJ Moseley LB
27. Morgan Moses OT
28. Johnny Manziel QB
29. Stephen Tuitt DT
30. Kyle Van noy DE
31. Marquise Lee WR
32. Kelvin Benjamin WR

 

[tm1119]

Of anything I would consider remotely realistic....

Donald
Barr
Lewan
HaHa
Jernigan
Mosely
Ealy
Martin
Pryor
Nix

 

[Tobal]

Jadeveon Clowney South Carolina
Greg Robinson Auburn
Jake Matthews Texas A&M
Khalil Mack Buffalo
Taylor Lewan Michigan
Aaron Donald Pittsburgh
Sammy Watkins Clemson
Mike Evans Texas A&M
HaHa Clinton-Dix Alabama
Justin Gilbert Oklahoma State
Timmy Jernigan Florida State
Dee Ford Auburn
Calvin Pryor Louisville
Anthony Barr UCLA
Johnny Manziel Texas A&M
Darqueze Dennard Michigan State
Zack Martin Notre Dame
C.J. Mosley Alabama
Blake BortlesCentral Florida
Eric Ebron UNC
Teddy Bridgewater Louisville
Ryan Shazier Ohio State
Brandin Cooks Oregon State
Jeremiah Attaochu Georgia Tech
Xavier Su’a-Filo UCLA
Jason Verrett TCU
Louis Nix III Notre Dame
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
Kyle Fuller Virginia Tech
Scott Crichton Oregon State
Jimmie Ward Northern Illinois
Morgan Moses Virginia
Kony Ealy Missouri

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Ill go with who I think is going to be there and draft.
Nix
Martin
Donald
Lewan
Lee
I would love to take Attoachu in a trade down scenario, pet cat.
My favorite player at 16 is Nix.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

My 1st round grades for the Boys:

Clowney
Mack
Watkins
Robinson
Matthews
Donald
Evans
Clinton-Dix
Mosely
Barr
Martin
Beckham
Manziel
Ward
Fuller
Jernigan
Shazier
Ebron

 

[dallasdave]

1. Khalil Mack DE
2. Greg Robsinon OT
3. Jake Matthews OT
4. Aaron Donald DT
5. Jadeveon Clowney DE
6. Taylor Lewan OT
7. Anthony Barr DE
8. Teddy Bridewater QB
9. Blake Bortles QB
10. Sammy Watkins WR
11. Timmy Jernigan DT
12. Calvin Pryor S
13. Ha Ha Clinton Dix S
14. Zack Martin OG
15. Mike Evans WR
16. Eric Ebron TE
17. Xavier SuaFilo OG
18. Justin Gilbert CB
19. Dee Ford DE
20. Kony Ealy DE
21. Resheade Hageman DT
22. Justin Gilbert CB
23. Ryan Shazier LB
24. Jeremy Attachou DE
25. Scott Chrichton DE
26. CJ Moseley LB
27. Morgan Moses OT
28. Johnny Manziel QB
29. Stephen Tuitt DT
30. Kyle Van noy DE
31. Marquise Lee WR
32. Kelvin Benjamin WR

That's a good list.

 

[xwalker]

Jadeveon Clowney
Khalil Mack
Greg Robinson
Anthony Barr
Jake Matthews
Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Taylor Lewan
Aaron Donald

If no trade down is available:
Justin Gilbert
Blake Bortles
Teddy Bridgewater
Johnny ManzielZack Martin
Eric Ebron

 

[starfrombirth]

Jadeveon Clowney
Khalil Mack
Greg Robinson
Anthony Barr
Jake Matthews
Sammy Watkins
Mike Evans
Taylor Lewan
Aaron Donald

If no trade down is available:
Justin Gilbert
Blake Bortles
Teddy Bridgewater
Johnny ManzielZack Martin
Eric Ebron

I would be interested in your take on Barr. I watched cutups of him and came away more than unimpressed. I was flat out disappointed after all the hype. I hate to think I swung and missed that bad on him. What exactly makes him worthy??

 

[xwalker]

I would be interested in your take on Barr. I watched cutups of him and came away more than unimpressed. I was flat out disappointed after all the hype. I hate to think I swung and missed that bad on him. What exactly makes him worthy??

Barr has only played defense for 2 years. He was a RB before. It's really a lot to learn as a 3-4 OLB in only 2 years; therefore, his skill level is underdeveloped.

With him it's about what he can do, not what he can't do. He has freakish speed/quickness but needs more developed skill and needs to get stronger.

On most prospects I recommend against watching highlights; however, with Barr I recommend watching the highlights to see what he can do without pouring through all of his games.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Gotta go watch a few games of his on youtube. I'm not as high on him as others. He might be a guy that slides to us at 16 though.

 

[starfrombirth]

Barr has only played defense for 2 years. He was a RB before. It's really a lot to learn as a 3-4 OLB in only 2 years; therefore, his skill level is underdeveloped.

With him it's about what he can do, not what he can't do. He has freakish speed/quickness but needs more developed skill and needs to get stronger.

On most prospects I recommend against watching highlights; however, with Barr I recommend watching the highlights to see what he can do without pouring through all of his games.

After watching the video I agree with what you're saying and with what I said at the same time... My analysis was still pretty much spot on but I can see how his speed is built into his game. He still is not big or strong enough to be a full time DE so I stand by what I said in that if we draft him as a DE then we are going to be very disappointed until he is able to put on weight and strength. As a rush linebacker tho he can be an immediate impact, I believe. I still think the 1st is too early for a developmental guy and I would much rather have someone ready to step in and play but if we do draft him in the 1st I won't throw the remote thru the t.v.

 

[xwalker]

After watching the video I agree with what you're saying and with what I said at the same time... My analysis was still pretty much spot on but I can see how his speed is built into his game. He still is not big or strong enough to be a full time DE so I stand by what I said in that if we draft him as a DE then we are going to be very disappointed until he is able to put on weight and strength. As a rush linebacker tho he can be an immediate impact, I believe. I still think the 1st is too early for a developmental guy and I would much rather have someone ready to step in and play but if we do draft him in the 1st I won't throw the remote thru the t.v.

He would be a nickel pass rushing specialist as a rookie. He is getting drafted for his upside, not his contributions as a rookie. Other than Clowney, Barr is the closest to D-Ware type speed/quickness that you can get. You have to watch every other pass rusher to see how difficult it is to find players with his elite type of quickness.

I will admit, that it would be a much better risk/value to take Attaochu in the 2nd than Barr at 16; however, I think they would have to trade up in the 2nd to get him.

 

[bodi]

Donald
Jernigan
Attaochu,
Barr
Mosely
Lewan
Xavier Su'a Filo

 

[theSHOW]

The draft is typically going on right around now so I imagine that we all have a pretty good idea of the prospects. What I would ask is for people to just give the prospects that they give first round grades for the Cowboys. I plan on doing this for at least the first several rounds. I am hoping to get a feel for what the consensus is more or less on where guys will go.

Plus I love exercises like this. I am a nerd. Here is mine:

Clowney
Mack
Robinson
Watkins
Donald
Manziel
Barr
Lewan
Evans
Martin
Clinton-Dix
Ebron
Jernigan
Gilbert
Ealy
Pryor
Mosely

Noticeable exceptions: Dennard, Bortles, Bridgewater, Nix. From my view 16 is not a bad spot to be in.

No Mathews?

 

[theSHOW]

Jadeveon Clowney South Carolina
Greg Robinson Auburn
Jake Matthews Texas A&M
Khalil Mack Buffalo
Taylor Lewan Michigan
Aaron Donald Pittsburgh
Sammy Watkins Clemson
Mike Evans Texas A&M
HaHa Clinton-Dix Alabama
Justin Gilbert Oklahoma State
Timmy Jernigan Florida State
Dee Ford Auburn
Calvin Pryor Louisville
Anthony Barr UCLA
Johnny Manziel Texas A&M
Darqueze Dennard Michigan State
Zack Martin Notre Dame
C.J. Mosley Alabama
Blake BortlesCentral Florida
Eric Ebron UNC
Teddy Bridgewater Louisville
Ryan Shazier Ohio State
Brandin Cooks Oregon State
Jeremiah Attaochu Georgia Tech
Xavier Su’a-Filo UCLA
Jason Verrett TCU
Louis Nix III Notre Dame
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU
Kyle Fuller Virginia Tech
Scott Crichton Oregon State
Jimmie Ward Northern Illinois
Morgan Moses Virginia
Kony Ealy Missouri

If these QBs slide our best formula would be to trade back into the lower 1st and pick up some 2nd day amo. If Bortles was there in the mid 20's and we sat there at 25 or so after the trade I would consider him as the pick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No Mathews?

Put him in right before Lewan. By the time I realized my omission, it was too late to edit the post.

If these QBs slide our best formula would be to trade back into the lower 1st and pick up some 2nd day amo. If Bortles was there in the mid 20's and we sat there at 25 or so after the trade I would consider him as the pick.

I don't see Bortles as having differentiated himself from QB prospects from year to year. Manziel has intuition and playmaking that transcends scheme so I see him as a unique. If Bortles was there again after a trade down I would trade down again.

 

[supercowboy8]

I only have 6 players for 16

Clowney
Mack
Matthews
Barr
Donald
Gilbert

If those guys are gone the following are my top players for a trade back

Martin
Shazier
Pryor
Jernigan
Verrett
Mosley
Critchon
Lawrence
Ealy

 

[theSHOW]

Put him in right before Lewan. By the time I realized my omission, it was too late to edit the post.



I don't see Bortles as having differentiated himself from QB prospects from year to year. Manziel has intuition and playmaking that transcends scheme so I see him as a unique. If Bortles was there again after a trade down I would trade down again.

Well, I have been mentioning for 2 months that I see no 1st round QBs in this draft. Since having time to see them again after the season and now combine and Pro days I have Bortles, Manziel, Garappolo and Carr all near the top of he 2nd. I'm with you on the trade down because we don't really need a QB but its coming either next year or the year after.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, I have been mentioning for 2 months that I see no 1st round QBs in this draft. Since having time to see them again after the season and now combine and Pro days I have Bortles, Manziel, Garappolo and Carr all near the top of he 2nd. I'm with you on the trade down because we don't really need a QB but its coming either next year or the year after.

I meant that Bortles ranks up with first round prospects from year to year. Size, arm strength, accuracy, etc. My thing is that QB is always such a projection because who knows if Bortles can handle the speed or complexity of the NFL. To me that means unless they have the need for a starter, the only way I draft one early is if they have some transcendent qualities.

Manziel only lacks height but he possesses intuition, awareness and courage that is rare even amongst the elite.