Goff, Lynch, Wentz ..who do they compare with?

[AzorAhai]

Just wow.

AND Goff is Chad Pennington apparently.

 

[MikeT22]

It is a dilemma. None of these QB's look like can't miss prospects. But one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards taking a QB is that none of the non-QB's that who should be available at #4 appear to be can't miss prospects either, although some of them are probably safer picks.

At the end of the day if you just end up with a Greg Ellis or Terrance Newman, it's decent and won't kill your draft. But getting that and bypassing the next Roethlisberger, Ryan or Brees, etc. could hinder your franchise for years. Really don't want to be a team in the market for a QB and then look back on a major miss that was at your fingertips. On the other hand, a steady but non-elite Ellis or Newman would be much better than ending up with the next Joey Harrington or whatever bust you want to insert here.

Of course the worst case scenario is passing on a QB who ends up panning out only to end up with another Mo Claiborne. And then combined that with a dud QB pick in the 2nd or 3rd round we could blow the entire draft after having our highest selections in decades.

While I'm leaning towards taking a QB at #4, I can understand not doing so if our top QB goes to the Browns and we don't value either of the other two that high. I just hope a potential signing of RGIII and thinking Romo has a few more years doesn't play into the equation. Also hope that if we do pass on taking a QB in the first we don't come back and take a lesser QB on day 2. This is a very deep draft and there should be far better talent than QB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I'd really hate to waste one of those picks on someone like Connor Cook, Prescott or Cardale. Either wait til the 4th or 5th to take a chance on one of just skip it til next year.

 

[RandyOh]

Oh lawd. So Tom Brady, Big Ben, and Matt Ryan are in this draft and a Offensive Tackle is the undisputed top player?

If I was the Titans I would draft the Tom Brady clone and trade Mariota to a QB desperate team.... I love this board

 

[conner01]

Not sure you can compare any of them to guys who have played in the nfl because they haven't
What you can compare is the physical tools they have and the mental ability they've shown to learn things they didn't in college
I think all 3 in the right system with the right development and rolls around them can be decent players
Personally I like Wentz the most because he has all the physical tools you need in today's game and he has the mental ability to learn what he wasn't taught in college
But with any of the 3 I think they need to be in the right system with the right tools behind them
If you are a crappy team with no oline none of them will be what they can be
But if you develope them and put talent around them there is a good chance that all 3 can be good players. Can't really compare the to HOF players since the odds are none will be, and the same thing with 95% of the qb's in every draft

 

[jterrell]

Alright. 2 future hall of fame members and one solid starter. It looks like the big three could go 1. 2. and 3 in the draft wilh teams mortgaging the future to get up there to get them.

Ryan went 3rd, Big Ben 11th and well, we know about Brady.

Presumably you compare a ~22 year old prospect to other prospects, not the Hall of Fame versions of those players I listed.

Big Ben was a VERY gifted athlete and winner for a mid-major. Questions of him dominating at higher level and of his accuracy--Lynch.
Goff was a Cali HS kid who put up great numbers but lacks foot speed and his arm strength is variable... he uses touch more often than not. Has good height but is skinny. Slides well in pocket and throws to space. Plays every drive to score a TD... TOM BRADY.
Wentz prototype athlete and arm skills. Goly gee good guy who you'd want dating your daughters. Ryan.

 

[ghst187]

The way Lynch moves and throws he reminds me of Kapernick on a good day although I suspect Lynch will be much better.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Wentz - Rodgers/McNair mix <-------Romo release
Lynch - Kaepernick/Roethlisberger mix
Goff - Brees/Ryan mix

 

[Floatyworm]

Kyle Boller was more or less the same size as Goff

And how did that work out for him in the league?

Career history

• Baltimore Ravens (2003–2008)
• St. Louis Rams (2009)
• Oakland Raiders (2010–2011)
• San Diego Chargers (2012)*

* Offseason and/or practice squad member only

I had to look it up....All I remember was he washed out in Baltimore because he couldn't stay healthy. I imagine the the same is gonna happen to to Goff.

 

[IAmLegend]

Freakish hands. 11.5 inches, the larger ever recorded for an NFL QB.

 

[starfrombirth]

Goff = Aaron Rogers without his mobility. Tough to find a success comp, Goff has a hell of an arm, similar to a Rogers which is pretty rare, but doesn't have the same mobility. There are unsuccessful QBs he reminds me of, Kyle Boller, Blaine Gabbert, ect, but I think what caused them to fail, lied between their ears and that is yet to be determined with Goff.
Wentz/Lynch = Ben Rothlisberger (While Wentz has a stronger arm, I would still say they are more or less the same prospect, with about the same upside) at worst I think both players should be at least Blake Bortles good.

You are most definitely on crack with that comparison. Goff has one of the weaker arms in the draft!

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Goff - Ryan
Lynch - Roethlisberger
Wentz - Jesus/Chuck Norris/Billy Jack

fixed for you!

 

[Manwiththeplan]

And how did that work out for him in the league?

Career history

• Baltimore Ravens (2003–2008)
• St. Louis Rams (2009)
• Oakland Raiders (2010–2011)
• San Diego Chargers (2012)*

* Offseason and/or practice squad member only

I had to look it up....All I remember was he washed out in Baltimore because he couldn't stay healthy. I imagine the the same is gonna happen to to Goff.

lol, Kyle Boller's success has NOTHING to do with what we were talking about. You compared Goff to Harrington, which is not accurate. When we started talking about arm strength, you again questioned Goff's arm strength, referencing his frame, which made me compare his frame to Boller's. Now Boller undoubtable failed as a QB, but it had nothing to do with arm strength. Whether you blame injuries, how inaccurate he was (he was never more than 54% at Cal, Goff was above 60% all three years), or just no development with decision making, Boller had the arm to be an NFL QB.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You are most definitely on crack with that comparison. Goff has one of the weaker arms in the draft!

Let's play a game, I'll post scouting reports that support my position, you do the same.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061053/jared-goff

"He possesses enough arm strength to complete deep outs to the opposite sideline and shows good touch down the seam."

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2016QB.php

"Still Goff demonstrated his strong, accurate arm and quality field vision."

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2016/prospects/qb.html

He's a tall, strong armed pocket passer that shows enough mobility to throw on the run and to elude the rush.

http://www.couchscout.com/16QB.HTM

"Rips it...Mobile, skinny, nice release, throws a terrific ball.. Shoulder Surg 11/28/2013"

I don't think anyone has said anything close to Goff having one of the weaker arms in the draft

 

[AzorAhai]

I don't think anyone has said anything close to Goff having one of the weaker arms in the draft

Just people on here.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Let's play a game, I'll post scouting reports that support my position, you do the same.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061053/jared-goff

"He possesses enough arm strength to complete deep outs to the opposite sideline and shows good touch down the seam."

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2016QB.php

"Still Goff demonstrated his strong, accurate arm and quality field vision."

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2016/prospects/qb.html

He's a tall, strong armed pocket passer that shows enough mobility to throw on the run and to elude the rush.

http://www.couchscout.com/16QB.HTM

"Rips it...Mobile, skinny, nice release, throws a terrific ball.. Shoulder Surg 11/28/2013"

I don't think anyone has said anything close to Goff having one of the weaker arms in the draft

A few months ago before the Wentz hype when it was Lynch vs Goff for #1 QB, most analysts and draftniks liked to point out how Lynch has the stronger arm. Fair enough, he certainly does. Lynch has an absolute cannon.

I think some people equated that with Goff having a "weak" arm, when it's simply not the case.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

A few months ago before the Wentz hype when it was Lynch vs Goff for #1 QB, most analysts and draftniks liked to point out how Lynch has the stronger arm. Fair enough, he certainly does. Lynch has an absolute cannon.

I think some people equated that with Goff having a "weak" arm, when it's simply not the case.

I actually don't think Lynch has a stronger arm, or at least I didn't see it displayed. May be his release, either way Lynch's arm is capable of making any NFL throw as well.

 

[Chuck 54]

Goff=Bradford or maybe a Chad Pennington

Wentz-= hard to compare because he has every possible tool. I'll say a more athletic Andrew Luck with a bigger arm.

Lynch=Flacco with some mobility.

The scouts say Goff has the better fastball than Wentz. From what I've read, Wentz's arm is slightly under both Goff and Lynch as far as strength, which is not the #1 thing

 

[Vinnie2u]

Goff, Lynch and Wentz will look like Elway, Marino and Kelly compared to what's coming out in college next few years. Kaaya, Watkins.... Slim pickings .. Better get the pick of the litter now..

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Goff has an arm that's "good enough". Heck Brees doesn't have a strong arm, and for that matter Romo isn't a strong-arm guy either.

My problem with Lynch is his accuracy. He's not the most accurate guy and I find that bothersome.

I'd rather have a Romo/Brees QB who's accurate, but doesn't possess a "cannon" of an arm.

 

[starfrombirth]

Let's play a game, I'll post scouting reports that support my position, you do the same.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2061053/jared-goff

"He possesses enough arm strength to complete deep outs to the opposite sideline and shows good touch down the seam."

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2016QB.php

"Still Goff demonstrated his strong, accurate arm and quality field vision."

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2016/prospects/qb.html

He's a tall, strong armed pocket passer that shows enough mobility to throw on the run and to elude the rush.

http://www.couchscout.com/16QB.HTM

"Rips it...Mobile, skinny, nice release, throws a terrific ball.. Shoulder Surg 11/28/2013"

I don't think anyone has said anything close to Goff having one of the weaker arms in the draft

I'm on my phone so I can't post and search and do all that stuff thats so easy to do on the computer but I will say this... There's a post right here in the zone from someone that compares Lynch goff and went Wentzel and shows markedly how much weaker goff is than the other two


Found it...
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/comp...and-paxton-lynch-arm-strength-edition.342569/